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Christianity vs. Transgender Identity

JRTurner said:
Not compared to the ratio of risk/reward.

Yes, they do. They're murdered, stabbed, beaten, ostracized, demonized, maimed, raped and disfigured by people who share your beliefs.
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The risks to the military during war are far higher
 
vegas giants said:
I think likely all of that contains both biological, genetic and social elements with choice being a factor in all of them
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Do you have animosity toward transgendered people?
 
Dans La Lune said:
No one is born Christian. Period, end of story. There are people who are born with psychological and even physical traits associated with transgenderism. It also exists in nature in other species. Thus, it's clearly part of the natural order. Why should Christian belief be respected and transgender identity be demonized? People are indoctrinated into Christian belief, which conservatives claim is being done with transgender identity -- which is, of course, 100% untrue. It is being done with Christianity, without similar complaint, and even with associated tax incentives. It appears that transgender identity is innate to a person, such that after years of therapy and counseling, people end up opting for a surgical solution to achieve inner peace.

OTOH, Christian belief is fluid, voluntary, and can be unlearned quite easily.
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I am living proof of that. I unlearned the hell out of it. It was not even hard to do.
Dans La Lune said:
Beyond the obvious cultural normalization of Christian fantasy as being normal, I don't see why it should be respected by anyone while the transgender community are under constant assault. If Christianity were introduced today, it would be accompanied by 8-sided dice and printable miniatures for optimal gaming experience. Just saying.

Just because something makes you feel uneasy it doesn't mean you have to hate it and the people associated with it.
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Do they hate it or are they by and large afraid of it?
 
JRTurner said:
Doubt it. You got to carry a gun for self-defense and wear armor while at work. They don't.
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Can you list the trans people with their legs blown off?
 
vegas giants said:
Can you list the trans people with their legs blown off?
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Can you list the names of those in the military who were stripped of their armor, their weapons, and all their leadership and support--and set onto the battlefield to face the enemy alone?

Do you have animosity for transgendered people?
 
JRTurner said:
Can you list the names of those in the military who were stripped of their armor, their weapons, and all their leadership and support--and set onto the battlefield to face the enemy alone?

Do you have animosity for transgendered people?
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Trans people can wear armor and carry weapons if they want

The idea that it is more dangerous to be a trans person than a soldier in battle is ridiculous

I greatly support appropriate trans rights
 
vegas giants said:
I think likely all of that contains both biological, genetic and social elements with choice being a factor in all of them

I think certain physical factors are conclusively innate
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What do you mean by certain physical factors?

Regardless, I don't necessarily think one precludes the other. Especially since "trans" is such a broad label. Like I don't think anyone "chooses" to have gender dysphoria. But I do think someone who doesn't have dysphoria can choose to express themselves in a gender non-conforming or non-binary identity. So I think it matters what you mean when you say someone chooses to be trans.

Do you think anyone is choosing to have gender dysphoria?
 
vegas giants said:
Can you list the trans people with their legs blown off?
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Do you want a list of all the memorials to trans people that other trans people keep up because so many of their friends have killed themselves due to how hostile our society is towards them or would than dampen the stupid word games you're playing to make your point too much?
 
Nomad4Ever said:
What do you mean by certain physical factors?

Regardless, I don't necessarily think one precludes the other. Especially since "trans" is such a broad label. Like I don't think anyone "chooses" to have gender dysphoria. But I do think someone who doesn't have dysphoria can choose to express themselves in a gender non-conforming or non-binary identity. So I think it matters what you mean when you say someone chooses to be trans.

Do you think anyone is choosing to have gender dysphoria?
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Eye color, baldness....that sort of thing that we can conclusively tie to genetics

I think the choice to be trans can lead to gender dysphoria
 
Lisa said:
His posts clearly prove that he does have animosity towards trans people. He thinks that it is a choice, but he can't come close to proving those transphobic claims.
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That is a flat out lie. You lie repeatedly on here and hate that I call you out on it
 
Nomad4Ever said:
Do you want a list of all the memorials to trans people that other trans people keep up because so many of their friends have killed themselves due to how hostile our society is towards them or would than dampen the stupid word games you're playing to make your point too much?
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That post is a stupid word game
 
vegas giants said:
I think the choice to be trans can lead to gender dysphoria
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That's insane. There is absolutely zero evidence to lead someone to such a belief.
 
Nomad4Ever said:
That's insane. There is absolutely zero evidence to lead someone to such a belief.
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You have conclusive evidence gender dysphoria is innate?


Let's see it
 
vegas giants said:
Trans people can wear armor and carry weapons if they want

The idea that it is more dangerous to be a trans person than a soldier in battle is ridiculous
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No--soldiers have each other's backs against a common enemy and are well trained, armed, and armored.

Trans people don't have that. The comparison is what is ridiculous--and that was yours.
vegas giants said:
I greatly support appropriate trans rights
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Do you harbor animosity toward transgendered people?
 
JRTurner said:
No--soldiers have each other's backs against a common enemy and are well trained, armed, and armored.

Trans people don't have that. The comparison is what is ridiculous--and that was yours.

Do you harbor animosity toward transgendered people?
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The trans community has each other as well.


No
 
vegas giants said:
Eye color, baldness....that sort of thing that we can conclusively tie to genetics

I think the choice to be trans can lead to gender dysphoria
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I already proved the epigenetic link to being transgender.

How does a 3-5 year old choose to be transgender? Your argument is in the realm of the absurd.
 
vegas giants said:
That post is a stupid word game
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I'm not playing a game. I didn't come into this thread because I felt the need to tear other people down for living their lives. Politics isn't a game and political beliefs have consequences. Your continuous attempts to compare being trans to choosing to serve in the military as some kind of argument shows how unseriousness you are.

It's just an argument to you. A talking point to win. Not your life.
 
Lisa said:
I already proved the epigenetic link to being transgender.

How does a 3-5 year old choose to be transgender? Your argument is in the realm of the absurd.
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Then let's operate on 3 tmyears old since it's conclusive they are trans... right?


Oh wait.....lots change their mind. Lol
 
Nomad4Ever said:
I'm not playing a game. I didn't come into this thread because I felt the need to tear other people down for living their lives. Politics isn't a game and political beliefs have consequences. Your continuous attempts to compare being trans to choosing to serve in the military as some kind of argument shows how unseriousness you are.

It's just an argument to you. A talking point to win. Not your life.
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It was my life. I served
 
JRTurner said:
They are well trained by our military and have soldiers protecting their backs?

You may want to consider why you work so hard to claim it's their choice to suffer abuse and discrimination from people who share your views.
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You NEED for it to be innate


You don't care that there is no evidence for that yet
 
The idea that anyone would challenge LGBT dogma and ask for evidence is heresy.

Choice does not eliminate their rights. It simply means they have the same rights as the other choices that are protected

By the way innate does not automatically grant them rights either
 
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