Christianity vs. Transgender Identity

[Dans La Lune]

No one is born Christian. Period, end of story. There are people who are born with psychological and even physical traits associated with transgenderism. It also exists in nature in other species. Thus, it's clearly part of the natural order. Why should Christian belief be respected and transgender identity be demonized? People are indoctrinated into Christian belief, which conservatives claim is being done with transgender identity -- which is, of course, 100% untrue. It is being done with Christianity, without similar complaint, and even with associated tax incentives. It appears that transgender identity is innate to a person, such that after years of therapy and counseling, people end up opting for a surgical solution to achieve inner peace.

OTOH, Christian belief is fluid, voluntary, and can be unlearned quite easily.

Beyond the obvious cultural normalization of Christian fantasy as being normal, I don't see why it should be respected by anyone while the transgender community are under constant assault. If Christianity were introduced today, it would be accompanied by 8-sided dice and printable miniatures for optimal gaming experience. Just saying.

Just because something makes you feel uneasy it doesn't mean you have to hate it and the people associated with it.

 

[Lisa]

It should not be a problem to be both transgender and christian is the person actually follows the teachings of Jesus but many christian only look at the Bible as 1200 pages to cherry pick obscure passages that defend their bigotry and hatred of others as a way to make their discrimination both socially acceptable and legally permissible as they desperately try to hide behind the religious clauses of the First Amendment. Conservative or evangelical Christians have made hypocrisy one of the most important the sacraments.


Jesus was not a bigot or transphobe as Matthew 19:12 clearly illustrates.

12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

 

[Seth]

No one is born Christian. Period, end of story. There are people who are born with psychological and even physical traits associated with transgenderism. It also exists in nature in other species. Thus, it's clearly part of the natural order. Why should Christian belief be respected and transgender identity be demonized? People are indoctrinated into Christian belief, which conservatives claim is being done with transgender identity -- which is, of course, 100% untrue. It is being done with Christianity, without similar complaint, and even with associated tax incentives. It appears that transgender identity is innate to a person, such that after years of therapy and counseling, people end up opting for a surgical solution to achieve inner peace.

OTOH, Christian belief is fluid, voluntary, and can be unlearned quite easily.

Beyond the obvious cultural normalization of Christian fantasy as being normal, I don't see why it should be respected by anyone while the transgender community are under constant assault. If Christianity were introduced today, it would be accompanied by 8-sided dice and printable miniatures for optimal gaming experience. Just saying.

Just because something makes you feel uneasy it doesn't mean you have to hate it and the people associated with it.

Christian here, raised Catholic and don't attend mass anymore but I'm still cool with lil baby J.

The Bible doesn't speak of transgender at all. Christians who assert that the bible, and therefore their faith, prohibits transgenderism are renegotiating the text to reflect their dogma as an identity marker 'I belong, you don't'.

There's no real reason for Christians to be anti-trans.

 

[Lisa]

Christian here, raised Catholic and don't attend mass anymore but I'm still cool with lil baby J.

The bible doesn't speak of transgender at all. Christians who assert that the bible, and therefore their faith, prohibits transgenderism are renegotiating the text to reflect their dogma as an identity marker 'I belong, you don't'.

There's no real reason to Christians to be anti-trans.

If they truly believe that their god is omniscient (all knowing) and omnipotent (all powerful) then it cannot be wrong to be transgender because their omniscient god knowingly made them transgender. It was not their choice to be trans because he created them that way. Obviously they cannot be held accountable for gods actions. This is why sin is illogical because free will that is necessary for sin is impossible if their god is omniscient.


He could make them cisgender because of is omnipotent but that has never happened and it medically impossible to happen. That argument applies equally to people being gay/lesbian or bisexual.

Their bigotry collapses in the face of basic concepts of logic.

I was also raised Catholic in the Cleveland diocese. I left the church in 1989 when the church decided to defend pedophiles. They cannot claim any moral high ground when they defend and protect child sex abusers.

 

[vegas giants]

No one is born Christian. Period, end of story. There are people who are born with psychological and even physical traits associated with transgenderism. It also exists in nature in other species. Thus, it's clearly part of the natural order. Why should Christian belief be respected and transgender identity be demonized? People are indoctrinated into Christian belief, which conservatives claim is being done with transgender identity -- which is, of course, 100% untrue. It is being done with Christianity, without similar complaint, and even with associated tax incentives. It appears that transgender identity is innate to a person, such that after years of therapy and counseling, people end up opting for a surgical solution to achieve inner peace.

OTOH, Christian belief is fluid, voluntary, and can be unlearned quite easily.

Beyond the obvious cultural normalization of Christian fantasy as being normal, I don't see why it should be respected by anyone while the transgender community are under constant assault. If Christianity were introduced today, it would be accompanied by 8-sided dice and printable miniatures for optimal gaming experience. Just saying.

Just because something makes you feel uneasy it doesn't mean you have to hate it and the people associated with it.

You can't really prove that about trans

 

[Seth]

I left the church in 1989 when the church decided to defend pedophiles.

Perfectly understandable. I left the church just this year over a disagreement about praying to saints, and the teachings of filioque, univocalism, and inerrancy.

 

[Dans La Lune]

You can't really prove that about trans

What can't I prove?

 

[vegas giants]

What can't I prove?

That its innate

 

[Lisa]

Perfectly understandable. I left the church just this year over a disagreement about praying to saints, and the teachings of filioque, univocalism, and inerrancy.

I was forced to attend mass and CCD because of the punishment that I would have suffered was far worse. That stopped when I turned 18. I was a C&E for a few years our of guilt in college. As a child/teen I asked too many logical questions in CCD and those damn nuns sent so many letters home to my mom that you would have thought that they were pen-pals. Being able to recite George Carlin's comedy routines about the Catholic church didn't endear me to the CCD teachers............


My father was 4th degree K of C. Most of my family are still catholic, despite being divorced.

 

[Dans La Lune]

That its innate

It's clearly not learned, due to the ages it can manifest, and no one volunteers to have this issue -- which is among the most discriminated against on the planet, and also leads to countless suicides as a result. So what is the alternative?

 

[vegas giants]

It's clearly not learned, due to the ages it can manifest, and no one volunteers to have this issue -- which is among the most discriminated against on the planet, and also leads to countless suicides as a result. So what is the alternative?

That choice is an element of it. People volunteer for the horror of war too

 

[Lisa]

That its innate

John Money answered the question of gender idienity being nature or nurture that 40 years ago when he unethically experimented on David Reimer.

DNA (epigenetics) only drives that point home. There is no credible source that even hints that being trans is a choice that someones makes. NONE!

Introduction: The main objective was to carry out a global DNA methylation analysis in a population with gender incongruence before gender-affirming hormone treatment (GAHT), in comparison to a cisgender population.


Methods: A global CpG (cytosine-phosphate-guanine) methylation analysis was performed on blood from 16 transgender people before GAHT vs. 16 cisgender people using the Illumina© Infinium Human Methylation 850k BeadChip, after bisulfite conversion. Changes in the DNA methylome in cisgender vs. transgender populations were analyzed with the Partek® Genomics Suite program by a 2-way ANOVA test comparing populations by group and their sex assigned at birth.


Results: The principal components analysis (PCA) showed that both populations (cis and trans) differ in the degree of global CpG methylation prior to GAHT. The 2-way ANOVA test showed 71,515 CpGs that passed the criterion FDR p < 0.05. Subsequently, in male assigned at birth population we found 87 CpGs that passed both criteria (FDR p < 0.05; fold change ≥ ± 2) of which 22 were located in islands. The most significant CpGs were related to genes: WDR45B, SLC6A20, NHLH1, PLEKHA5, UBALD1, SLC37A1, ARL6IP1, GRASP, and NCOA6. Regarding the female assigned at birth populations, we found 2 CpGs that passed both criteria (FDR p < 0.05; fold change ≥ ± 2), but none were located in islands. One of these CpGs, related to the MPPED2 gene, is shared by both, trans men and trans women. The enrichment analysis showed that these genes are involved in functions such as negative regulation of gene expression (GO:0010629), central nervous system development (GO:0007417), brain development (GO:0007420), ribonucleotide binding (GO:0032553), and RNA binding (GO:0003723), among others.





Conclusion: The main finding of this study is that the cis and trans populations have different global CpG methylation profiles prior to GAHT. Therefore, our results suggest that epigenetics may be involved in the etiology of gender incongruence.

Frontiers | Epigenetics Is Implicated in the Basis of Gender Incongruence: An Epigenome-Wide Association Analysis

IntroductionThe main objective was to carry out a global DNA methylation analysis in a population with gender incongruence before gender-affirming hormone tr...

www.frontiersin.org

This too,

Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This too,

Brain Sex in Transgender Women Is Shifted towards Gender Identity - PubMed

Transgender people report discomfort with their birth sex and a strong identification with the opposite sex. The current study was designed to shed further light on the question of whether the brains of transgender people resemble their birth sex or their gender identity. For this purpose, we...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The research that led to this book predicted it 35 years ago.

Amazon.com

Tell me when you want me to stop disproving your claims with medical evidence..............

 

[Dans La Lune]

That choice is an element of it. People volunteer for the horror of war too

That was a really stupid comment. People volunteer for war for many reasons, none of which is to experience horror.

 

[vegas giants]

John Money answered the question of gender idienity being nature or nurture that 40 years ago when he unethically experimented on David Reimer.

DNA (epigenetics) only drives that point home. There is no credible source that even hints that being trans is a choice that someones makes. NONE!

Frontiers | Epigenetics Is Implicated in the Basis of Gender Incongruence: An Epigenome-Wide Association Analysis

IntroductionThe main objective was to carry out a global DNA methylation analysis in a population with gender incongruence before gender-affirming hormone tr...

www.frontiersin.org

This too,

Prenatal hormones and sexual orientation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Can you show me a test that says trans is innate? I can show you a test that says green eyes are innate

 

[vegas giants]

That was a really stupid comment. People volunteer for war for many reasons, none of which is to experience horror.

I accept your insult concession

 

[Simpletruther]

No one is born Christian. Period, end of story. There are people who are born with psychological and even physical traits associated with transgenderism. It also exists in nature in other species. Thus, it's clearly part of the natural order. Why should Christian belief be respected and transgender identity be demonized? People are indoctrinated into Christian belief, which conservatives claim is being done with transgender identity -- which is, of course, 100% untrue. It is being done with Christianity, without similar complaint, and even with associated tax incentives. It appears that transgender identity is innate to a person, such that after years of therapy and counseling, people end up opting for a surgical solution to achieve inner peace.

OTOH, Christian belief is fluid, voluntary, and can be unlearned quite easily.

Beyond the obvious cultural normalization of Christian fantasy as being normal, I don't see why it should be respected by anyone while the transgender community are under constant assault. If Christianity were introduced today, it would be accompanied by 8-sided dice and printable miniatures for optimal gaming experience. Just saying.

Just because something makes you feel uneasy it doesn't mean you have to hate it and the people associated with it.

Nobody Is demonizing transgender.

 

[Lisa]

That choice is an element of it.

There is no choice.

People volunteer for the horror of war too

Tell that to draftees.

 

[HIP56948]

I do know one thing in this life. The so-called phony-ass Christians have caused way more damage to this world and
damage to many societies than any Gay or Transgender people.
Take out the "Christian" word and replace it with "Gay" as in "Onward Christion soldiers marching on to war, sounds incredibly ridiculous.

 

[vegas giants]

There is no choice.

Tell that to draftees.

I was not a draftee. I served knowing I could die in battle

 

[Lisa]

I was not a draftee. I served knowing I could die in battle

Vietnam?

 

[vegas giants]

Vietnam?

Persian gulf

 

[Lisa]

Persian gulf

There was no draft in 1990-91. We have had an all volunteer army since 1973. People dont volunteer go to war the experience horror.

 

[JRTurner]

I was not a draftee. I served knowing I could die in battle

Unless you were suicidal, I don't think anyone believed you CHOSE to die in battle and just survived instead.

 

[vegas giants]

There was no draft in 1990-91. We have had an all volunteer army since 1973. Your argument is absurd.

You make my point. I VOLUNTEERED to possibly die in battle. It was a choice


People volunteer to be trans despite the risks. It is a choice

 

[vegas giants]

Unless you were suicidal, I don't think anyone believed you CHOSE to die in battle and just survived instead.

Did I choose to take the risk?