I'm with you on this. Creeps me out too.
In the short run it would seem to give the perv an outlet, but in the longer run, wouldn't this recurring outlet continue to build and intensify the perv's desire for the real thing?
Honestly?
Let's throw a bit of research money at this, get some high-risk non-active pedophiles, and study whether this works.
If it works, give it to every non-active pedophile known to any therapist, doctor, or government agency in the damn world, until we find something better.
If it stops people from raping children, it is worth doing. Yes, it's creepy. Oh well. If it stops people from raping children, it is worth doing.
We need to be encouraging pedophiles to talk to someone and seek help. We can't do anything to protect children if they hide. And we can't do anything to help THEM if they hide, either. Lots of pedophiles realize that raping children is horribly wrong, and wish they weren't pedophiles. They're disturbed.
Because they hide, we have very limited opportunities to find new treatments for them. Generally, the only pedophiles we know about are the jailed, serial child molesters who often have co-morbid psychopathy. But this co-morbidity makes them a lot harder to treat.
What about all the non-active, hiding pedophiles? Well, we have no idea. Because they are justifiably afraid to even talk to a shrink, let alone their GP. And as much as it justifiably weirds people out, we need to find a way for these people to access help without fear so that we can actually figure out how to fix pedophilia, or at least find an outlet for them that works tor reduce their risk to the community. If this helps, then let's do it.
...As for it being of benefit, the experts are divided.
You will of course be presenting evidence for this.
You could read the article in the op. Just a suggestion :roll:
Thought not.
You could read the article in the op. Just a suggestion :roll:
I never claimed it did. And, if you read the exact words William quoted, you'd see that.I think it has been said enough time, regardless of one's side on an issue, that an article by itself, especially one that doesn't directly reference any research material, isn't really evidence. Anecdotal evidence at best.
And, that is supported in the article.Tough call. I figure the guy who founded the company followed a passion and a chance to turn it into a profitable business. As for it being of benefit, the experts are divided.
Peter Fagan from the John Hopkins School of Medicine is skeptical that there ever will be. Citing cognitive-behavioral theory, the paraphilia researcher believes that contact with Trottla’s products would likely have a “reinforcing effect” on pedophilic ideation and “in many instances, cause it to be acted upon with greater urgency.” The research Fagan cites to support that conclusion is based on offenders, so it is unclear whether the effects would be different for non-offenders.
Michael Seto from the University of Toronto speculated on the possible existence of two distinct populations of pedophiles. Drawing an analogy to methadone treatment for opioid addicts, the psychiatrist hypothesized that “for some pedophiles, access to artificial child pornography or to child sex dolls could be a safer outlet for their sexual urges, reducing the likelihood that they would seek out child pornography or sex with real children. For others, having these substitutes might only aggravate their sense of frustration.”
“We don’t know, because the research hasn’t been done,” he concluded. “But, it would be a very important study to conduct.”
Do you have evidence that the dolls prevent attacks? Perhaps the dolls spur attacks?
Plenty of people have problems with those. Also, can we really equate a game with murder (presumably not resulting in sexual gratification) and fantasies about raping children?
Yes, you read that right.
Thoughts?
The thoughts and actions on a doll would be likely to become deeds. This is just wrong.
Agreed.
Isn't it sad our society has digressed so far down the rabbit hole that saying something is " JUST WRONG ", has now become wrong to say?
No, it is exactly the opposite. Accepting declarations at face value is wrong, asking someone to explain why something is 'just wrong' is exactly the right thing to do. We should encourage people to be critical of what they are told more often, that will progress society.
Good point if you want a "progressive" society.
But if someone has to explain why acting out on their fantasies of child abuse with a training aid is "just plain wrong", then I want no part of that society.
I will stay in my Neanderthal cave with my backward thoughts.
(understand, please, this was not meant to be personal. Just a general comment about how some 'old fashioned" morals are still a good thing.)
Barbie is based on a German sex doll.
I can see where use of a doll might not completely stop a person's urges, and the person would succumb eventually, but it would delay them. That alone saves some kid somewhere, hence they have value.
Agreed.
Isn't it sad our society has digressed so far down the rabbit hole that saying something is " JUST WRONG ", has now become wrong to say?
Good point if you want a "progressive" society.
But if someone has to explain why acting out on their fantasies of child abuse with a training aid is "just plain wrong", then I want no part of that society.
I will stay in my Neanderthal cave with my backward thoughts.
(understand, please, this was not meant to be personal. Just a general comment about how some 'old fashioned" morals are still a good thing.)
No, it is exactly the opposite. Accepting declarations at face value is wrong, asking someone to explain why something is 'just wrong' is exactly the right thing to do. We should encourage people to be critical of what they are told more often, that will progress society.
No. Some things really are "just wrong." Progressive Society turns 6,000 years of lessons learned on its head. More often than not, the results have been a disaster. In fact, it could be argued that simply forming agricultural societies has been the worst thing to happen on this planet since we were hit by the comet which wiped out the dinosaurs. Lord knows the planet has been stressed ever since.
As for this doll thing...yeah, it's just wrong. At the very least, it's an attempt to "normalize" child buggering by proxy.
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