Childlike Sex Dolls

[Henrin]

I had never heard of these things. What struck me is the lonely life that these people must live. If you had one of those things lying around then you couldn't have a partner staying with you or friends on sleepovers. What would they think if they found it?

Skeletons in closets! Don't open the closets!

 

[maquiscat]

I take it you oppose child-porn, even if the porn is being used as a substitute for buggering the neighbor boy or girl. Correct?

I do oppose live action or real life child porn, i.e. the use of actual underage individuals, for the same reason I oppose actual sex with underaged individuals by legal adults (with of course the exception of the couple being close in age, such as one is 17 and the other 18 type of situations). I am not opposed to animated child porn. I have no problems with someone walking off to images of Bart Simpson, or the Power Puff Girls. I am also not opposed to porn that as 18+ year old actors, male or female, who come off as younger, as long as it can be proven that they are indeed of legal age.

I prefer we eradicate anyone who wants to have sex with children. If treatment cannot cure them, then break out the needles.

Never mind that they've never even touch a child or attempted to. Punish before the crime. Now there is a slippery slope if ever there was one.

 

[William Rea]

And, that by itself shows how dangerous these things may tend to be. They do the opposite of integrating the child-sex perv into normalcy, paving the way for them to assimilate and enter into the mainstream. I suggest behavior modification via therapy for non-offending people attracted to children, not giving them a toy to use to simulate sex with children.

I have no preconceptions, the Engineer/Scientist/Empiricist in me prefers solutions to problems that work regardless of whether I morally approve or do not approve of the choices that people make. You have already shown at least tacit approval on this forum for statutory rape and yet here you are in this thread 'showboating' with the same subject. It is embarrassing and certainly belies your claim to being 'centrist'.

 

[maquiscat]

First and foremost I don't think we should ever take it easy on convicted pedophiles.

Just for the record, legally, speaking there is no such thing as a pedophile, convicted or otherwise. The term is not in any law book in the US, that I have found to date. The legal term is sexual assault on a minor, or similar. Probably because a) one can sexually molest a child and not have any sexual attraction to them and b) pedophilia is limited to a certain age range and does not cover the entirety of the underage range.

 

[maquiscat]

Doubtful. If the guy can't control himself around children then likely he will rape a child if he has the opportunity to do so regardless if he uses a doll for his urges.

False premise. This statement implies that if they'd have an attraction to children then they can't control themselves. May not be what you intended, but there it is anyway. That said, if they have no release, then yes maybe they will lose control. Until having a release could help maintain control. But no, let's take that potential safety factor away and push them closer to hurting children instead of backing them away from it.

 

[Henrin]

False premise. This statement implies that if they'd have an attraction to children then they can't control themselves. May not be what you intended, but there it is anyway. That said, if they have no release, then yes maybe they will lose control. Until having a release could help maintain control. But no, let's take that potential safety factor away and push them closer to hurting children instead of backing them away from it.

Not having a release doesn't cause a normal person to rape others. If you're capable of raping someone without a release then the problem is much deeper than just a mere attraction.

 

[LaylaWindu]

Just for the record, legally, speaking there is no such thing as a pedophile, convicted or otherwise. The term is not in any law book in the US, that I have found to date. The legal term is sexual assault on a minor, or similar. Probably because a) one can sexually molest a child and not have any sexual attraction to them and b) pedophilia is limited to a certain age range and does not cover the entirety of the underage range.

Don't know if thats true but you are probably right, makes sense. Because legally it is rape, sexual assault etc. in fact I commonly see people use the term pediphile wrong, like a 20yr old dating a 17yr old and I explain to them that situation has nothign to do with pedophilia. Same when people wrongly confuse hetero/homesexual orenation with pediphilia, which are also not the same. If somebody sexually assaults a prepubescent girl that has nothign to do with them being straight or gay.

 

[Tim the plumber]

What's the difference between making dolls like this and making pedophilic porn?

Sounds like pretty much the same thing to me.

What??????

The problem with peodphillia is not that it is revulsive to the rest of us but that the children get serrously harmed!!!

If nobody gets harmed in this then good luck to them. Ugh!!! If it causes them to develop into real harmful preditors then stop it. Ask the psychiatrists?

 

[radcen]

No. I presented a brilliant plan for stamping them out. Hack the computers at this perv site and go after the people on the mailing list. Out them, and send the pitch fork brigade to their homes.

Wanting to exterminate child-sex pervs is not feeling morally superior. It's simply a wise thing to do. If I had my way, I would also stamp out the Catholic Church and go after all those gymnastics coaches who molest kids, by hacking their computers to see if any kiddie porn is on them.

Just as in the recent Tennessee fire thread that drifted toward the DP, you protest that it's not about vengeance and feeling morally superior, then you keep talking and confirm it is.

 

[calamity]

I have no preconceptions, the Engineer/Scientist/Empiricist in me prefers solutions to problems that work regardless of whether I morally approve or do not approve of the choices that people make. You have already shown at least tacit approval on this forum for statutory rape and yet here you are in this thread 'showboating' with the same subject. It is embarrassing and certainly belies your claim to being 'centrist'.

Are all Brits really unable to discern between a 16 year old boy getting lucky by nailing his rather hot 23 year old female teacher and a 5 year old child being raped--or is that just you?

 

[calamity]

Just as in the recent Tennessee fire thread that drifted toward the DP, you protest that it's not about vengeance and feeling morally superior, then you keep talking and confirm it is.

I didn't advocate death for those fire-starters, at least not unless we can prove they intended to kill the people of Gatlinburg.

As for the child thing, I see exterminating child rapists more as a preventative measure than an act of vengeance. And, as part of that prevention plan, I see isolating those who are predisposed to become child rapists, treating them, if possible, and if that does not take hold, locking them up and/or terminating them as well.

 

[calamity]

I do oppose live action or real life child porn, i.e. the use of actual underage individuals, for the same reason I oppose actual sex with underaged individuals by legal adults (with of course the exception of the couple being close in age, such as one is 17 and the other 18 type of situations). I am not opposed to animated child porn. I have no problems with someone walking off to images of Bart Simpson, or the Power Puff Girls. I am also not opposed to porn that as 18+ year old actors, male or female, who come off as younger, as long as it can be proven that they are indeed of legal age.



Never mind that they've never even touch a child or attempted to. Punish before the crime. Now there is a slippery slope if ever there was one.

If ever I liked a slippery slope approach to preventative crime maintenance, I'd say terminating those who are sexually attracted to children would be worth the risk. I would probably have an age limit though, so that some nut doesn't misconstrue having the hots for a sixteen year old with being inclined to bugger five year olds---and, that age would be 12.

 

[radcen]

I didn't advocate death for those fire-starters, at least not unless we can prove they intended to kill the people of Gatlinburg.

As for the child thing, I see exterminating child rapists more as a preventative measure than an act of vengeance. And, as part of that prevention plan, I see isolating those who are predisposed to become child rapists, treating them, if possible, and if that does not take hold, locking them up and/or terminating them as well.

Tell us, how does one be identified as "predisposed"?

Your phrasing assumes people who have not yet acted.

 

[calamity]

Tell us, how does one be identified as "predisposed"?

Your phrasing assumes people who have not yet acted.

We have ways

On a more serious note though, I would say being on this creep's mailing list would be a good indication. Another would be cracking down hard on those who get caught with child porn or trying to access it. A third would be sting operations, like offering child-like sex dolls and arresting those who respond.

 

[Deuce]

If someone feels inclined to rape someone and can't control that on their own then I don't think a doll is going to do much to help them.

Ahh, now we're getting somewhere.

So, you're categorically denying even the possibility that this could help someone control those urges. On what information do you base this?

 

[Deuce]

Not having a release doesn't cause a normal person to rape others. If you're capable of raping someone without a release then the problem is much deeper than just a mere attraction.

We're not talking about normal people, so I wouldn't use normal behavior as a basis for this if I were you.

 

[Henrin]

Ahh, now we're getting somewhere.

So, you're categorically denying even the possibility that this could help someone control those urges. On what information do you base this?

I don't think it is very likely, but I won't say it's impossible.

 

[Henrin]

We're not talking about normal people, so I wouldn't use normal behavior as a basis for this if I were you.

We are to believe it is just an attraction, so with in mind it should run on the same basic workings as any other attraction. Most men not getting any action and that don't have access to porn aren't going to go and rape women, so it falls into reason that the normal person attracted to children wouldn't go out and rape children if they don't have some kind of outlet to deal with their urges.

 

[maquiscat]

We are to believe it is just an attraction, so with in mind it should run on the same basic workings as any other attraction. Most men not getting any action and that don't have access to porn aren't going to go and rape women, so it falls into reason that the normal person attracted to children wouldn't go out and rape children if they don't have some kind of outlet to deal with their urges.

It is not simply an attraction. It is more akin to kleptomania, a compulsion. Something else that doesn't have a cure.

 

[calamity]

It is not simply an attraction. It is more akin to kleptomania, a compulsion. Something else that doesn't have a cure.

I liken it to a ticking time bomb. Hence, my radical final solution.

 

[Henrin]

It is not simply an attraction. It is more akin to kleptomania, a compulsion. Something else that doesn't have a cure.

So it's an impulse control disorder?

 

[Roadvirus]

Yes, you read that right.


Thoughts?

Disgusting.

It's still encouraging the perversion. Sure it's being done with dolls, but that's not the point. The point is to get rid of the perversion (or urge. However you wanna put it).

It's like a needle exchange program or a supervised drug use place where you can shoot up "safely": all you're doing is encouraging, not stopping, the addiction.

 

[Roadvirus]

Your evidence of this?

Torturing and killing family pets is a prelude to becoming a serial killer. Need i say more?

 

[Roadvirus]

Or buy some the time for more effective therapies.

You want effective therapies against child sex pervs?

Castration and/or shock therapy.

You're welcome.

 

[maquiscat]

Torturing and killing family pets is a prelude to becoming a serial killer. Need i say more?

Your evidence of this? Do all, or even most, serial killers start with the pets or small animals? I think you are playing up on the stereotype too much.