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A pregnant woman has had her baby forcibly removed by caesarean section by social workers.
Essex social services obtained a High Court order against the woman that allowed her to be forcibly sedated and her child to be taken from her womb.
The council said it was acting in the best interests of the woman, an Italian who was in Britain on a work trip, because she had suffered a mental breakdown.
The baby girl, now 15 months old, is still in the care of social services, who are refusing to give her back to the mother, even though she claims to have made a full recovery.
It almost sounds like an abduction - ending up in a nut house like that. I wonder where the father of the baby is?
Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph
So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.
She's not a citizen of the UK.
OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
Yeah, I understand. There's a lot missing in the report about her mental condition. The problem in my view is not whether the surgery was necessary or not - it may have been - it was how it was done and what transpired afterward.Why in hte world do you think the Brits just want to do Csections on Itialns? Sounds like she was so crazy they had to to get her back on her meds. The article really dosent say much about the C section the problem is with keeping the baby in UK.
Yeah, I understand. There's a lot missing in the report about her mental condition.
It's interesting and a little scary. But yeah, there's a lot missing from the reporting, which leaves a lot to speculation. This is the type of thing that's just ripe for endless speculation...There's also a lot missing on her state of pregnancy. I couldn't even seem to find how far along she was.
Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph
So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.
She's not a citizen of the UK.
OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
No one should doubt the seemingly unfettered powers of "social services" agents and agencies not just in Britain but all over the world. This is not a unique situation and has happened here in Canada where a woman has been considered unstable and/or mentally deranged due to drug use or other circumstances and is a danger to herself and her child.
Also, no one should doubt that the health and safety of this child is in jeopardy as long as her fate is in the hands of social services. Stories are legion of innocent children being left to abuse, neglect and sometimes death by "overworked" social services agents, often just paper pushers who just want the "problem" off their hands and books.
I have seen more than a few people -- here and elsewhere -- say "if my taxes are paying for your healthcare, I get a say in how you live."
From what I've seen, this story has nothing to do with healthcare and everything to do with the intrusion of the state into the lives of people and their children. The state believes it has an unfettered right to raise children as it sees fit and if you cross the line, you risk having the state abduct your children and placing them in what they believe is a more suitable child-rearing environment.
Child taken from womb by social services - Telegraph
So the woman is in the UK for some kind of job training. Apparently she's being treated for some kind of bipolar disorder. She gets off her meds and calls the cops who take her to the nut house where a decision is made to take her baby.
She's not a citizen of the UK.
OK...so this isn't one of those things we discuss when talking about nationalized health care but should it be? Is this really the kind of decision we want the government to be making for us? I mean, near as I can tell there was no representation for this woman until after the fact.
The concepts are intertwined, though. They spring from the same basic reasoning.
That could be - but not readily apparent in any way, in my view.
Health and Safety.
Health and safety aren't inherently or solely healthcare issues -
protection of life and the safety of the innocent is really a law enforcement matter, which is why social services, a quasi law enforcement agency, was the authority in charge, and not the department of health.
There's an awful lot of hysterical fits being thrown by people here who don't know any details of the case in question. And we probably won't know the full details because the public does not always have the right to know them.
She may have been given a C-section because there was no way to stop the baby coming and yet she was in a state of severe bipolar mania. The C-section may well have saved her life and that of the baby. She may well have been in no mental state to make a decision, so one had to be made for her.
Her baby may have been taken into local authority care because the mother represented a severe threat to herself and the baby. That might well have been the correct decision.
She may have lost her court case because she did not demonstrate that she was no longer a threat to her baby. In order to rpove that she was not, she'd have to provide expert witnesses and testimony that her condition was no longer precarious. Perhaps she didn't do that.
Before people jump to conclusions they should get the facts. If they can't get those facts, they'd probably be advised not to comment as they make themselves look stupid.
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