Chicago's Black Ghetto

[Mathematician]

Can't say I'm really shocked that the conservatives in this thread couldn't understand a fairly straightforward article that makes a somewhat tired but altogether solid point.

Just like I can't say I'm surprised at the excuse making whiners from the left.

 

[Mathematician]

When you say Posts like yours, however, seem like you are making excuses for failure, instead of encouraging progress.

I tire of this site.

I have to agree with Fisher.

 

[OscarB63]

Maybe he was high and wanted to feel the rain on his face. Is that now a reason to be shot by a cowboy who probably should never have been issued a CCW?

no...but attacking a guy because you are high and over-reacted when he asked you a question is.

 

[Excon]

What evidence other than Zimmerman's already discredited statements show that Martin peered into windows?

Wtf?
Come back to reality.
His account, which is the evidence, has not been discredited.

 

[calamity]

Has it crossed your mind that one being on neighborhood watch has the responsibility of "looking for trouble"?

He wasn't on neighborhood watch that night. He got into a fight with his wife and went to the store, he said.

 

[calamity]

no...but attacking a guy because you are high and over-reacted when he asked you a question is.

He probably did do just that.

 

[calamity]

Wtf?
Come back to reality.
His account, which is the evidence, has not been discredited.

The original cop investigating the crime said Z was "less than truthful. And, Z's claim that the boy was looking into windows was never corroborated. You'd think that someone other than the paranoid George would have noticed that.

 

[Excon]

The original cop investigating the crime said Z was "less than truthful. And, Z's claim that the boy was looking into windows was never corroborated. You'd think that someone other than the paranoid George would have noticed that.

Wrong.
You are confused by what was said and what was meant.

Provide the quote so I can point it out. Because the officers involved believed him.
And in no way discredited what he said.


Just like your claim of not looking into homes was wrong, you will also be proven wrong on this as well.


Secondly, Trayvon's looking into windows does not need to be corroborated.
Zimmerman suspicion was sufficient and was all that was needed. Period.
Suspicion is subjective. What you find suspicious, another might not, and vise versa.
An officer was dispatched.
That is all that matters to that point.

 

[ReformCollege]

The Black Ghetto on the Southside of Chicago has been a White man created and enforced segregated community since the 1920's.

I don't see anything that backs up the bold part of your claim. Any proof that current laws are still enforcing segregation to those areas?

By the way, what does TM have to do with Chicago? This post just seems like one giant exercise in animosity rather then containing any actual information.

 

[calamity]

Wrong.
You are confused by what was said and what was meant.

Provide the quote so I can point it out. Because the officers involved believed him.
And in no way discredited what he said.


Just like your claim of not looking into homes was wrong, you will also be proven wrong on this as well.


Secondly, Trayvon's looking into windows does not need to be corroborated.
Zimmerman suspicion was sufficient and was all that was needed. Period.
Suspicion is subjective. What you find suspicious, another might not, and vise versa.
An officer was dispatched.
That is all that matters to that point.

Too bad Trayvon wasn't armed, then both of those idiots could have stood their ground, fulfilling a gun nutter's wet dream.

 

[Excon]

Too bad Trayvon wasn't armed, then both of those idiots could have stood their ground, fulfilling a gun nutter's wet dream.

:doh

Trayvon was not standing his ground.
He attacked.

Had he been armed, the police would still be looking for a black male that shot Zimmerman.

 

[calamity]

:doh

Trayvon was not standing his ground.
He attacked.

Had he been armed, the police would still be looking for a black male that shot Zimmerman.

You don't know that he attacked. The jury simply found reasonable doubt in the prosecution's case that Zimmerman shot him for no reason.

 

[Excon]

You don't know that he attacked. The jury simply found reasonable doubt in the prosecution's case that Zimmerman shot him for no reason.

Yes I do know he attacked.
It is the evidence.
Nothing refutes that evidence.

 

[opendebate]

I have to agree with Fisher.

The close minded reader who refuses to have an actual conversation or accept the authors words is the one who creates the bottleneck.

 

[Mason66]

Too bad Trayvon wasn't armed, then both of those idiots could have stood their ground, fulfilling a gun nutter's wet dream.

No, Martin would have commited murder with his gun and would be in a jail cell right now. Martin was looking for a fight.

 

[calamity]

Yes I do know he attacked.
It is the evidence.
Nothing refutes that evidence.

Nothing supports it either.

All we know for sure is that Trayvon was walking home from the store; Zimmerman found him to be suspicious enough to call the cops; some kind of confrontation ensued after Zimmerman left his vehicle, which he was asked not to do, and the unarmed Tryvon ended up shot dead by Zimmerman, who admitted shooting him.

 

[calamity]

No, Martin would have commited murder with his gun and would be in a jail cell right now. Martin was looking for a fight.

Martin was walking home from the store, minding his own business. What planet do you live on? Your reality doesn't match that of anyone else I've encountered yet regarding this issue.

 

[Mason66]

Martin was walking home from the store, minding his own business. What planet do you live on? Your reality doesn't match that of anyone else I've encountered yet regarding this issue.

"All we know for sure is that Trayvon was walking home from the store; Zimmerman found him to be suspicious enough to call the cops; some kind of confrontation ensued after Zimmerman left his vehicle, which he was asked not to do, and the unarmed Tryvon ended up shot dead by Zimmerman, who admitted shooting him."

This is not reality.

Like I posted before I wonder if it is a condition you have to not see things for how they really are.

 

[OscarB63]

Martin was walking home from the store, minding his own business. .

over 35 minutes to make a 10 minutes walk. he was doing more than just walking home from the store, minding his own business, or he would have been home at least 20 minutes before Zimmerman ever had a chance to see him.

 

[Excon]

Nothing supports it either.

Wrong.
It is supported by the physical evidence of injuries and by eye-witness account.
And his word is believable by the circumstances surrounding the whole account.

All we know for sure is that Trayvon was walking home from the store; Zimmerman found him to be suspicious enough to call the cops; some kind of confrontation ensued after Zimmerman left his vehicle, which he was asked not to do, and the unarmed Tryvon ended up shot dead by Zimmerman, who admitted shooting him.

Dude, the trial is over, Zimmerman was believed. That means his account was accepted. Get over it. We know his account is accurate and that there is no valid reason to disbelieve him.
That is what we know.

In addition.

some kind of confrontation ensued

It wasn't some kind of confrontation. It was an attack. That is the evidence. Learn it.

after Zimmerman left his vehicle, which he was asked not to do,

You have already been corrected on this. He was never told any such thing.
Learn the damn evidence if you want to discuss it, and stop making things up.

Martin was walking home from the store, minding his own business.

No he was not minding his own business.
Looking into homes, is not minding his own business. Do you really not know that?

 

[Dapper Andy]

To claim that the ghettoes of Chicago, and all the violent deaths that flow from them, are the creation of white racism is not to make an overheated charge. It is to cite the historical record.

It's hard to take black people seriously anymore.

 

[OscarB63]

It's hard to take black people seriously anymore.

it's all whitey's fault

 

[Hypersonic]

He was hounded by Zimmerman because he was a Black who dared to be walking through his neighborhood at night. Typical sunset rule violation. And, it cost him his life.

Rule of thumb: Never go against the status quo here.

Blacks who are legitimate victims must have done something to be victims.

In my other thread about the slain athlete folks responded:

"He shouldn't have knocked on her door in that hour"

"He shouldn't have ran towards the cops"

As for Trayvon the sad part out of all this is conservatives focus on him being a supposed thug rather than a 17 year old human being who was killed by a wannabe cop.

 

[OscarB63]

Rule of thumb: Never go against the status quo here.

Blacks who are legitimate victims must have done something to be victims.

In my other thread about the slain athlete folks responded:

"He shouldn't have knocked on her door in that hour"

"He shouldn't have ran towards the cops"

As for Trayvon the sad part out of all this is conservatives focus on him being a supposed thug rather than a 17 year old human being who was killed by a wannabe cop.

link? I never saw anyone say that the dude should not have knocked on her door.

 

[Hypersonic]

link? I never saw anyone say that the dude should not have knocked on her door.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-a...rmed-african-american-student-athlete-23.html

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