Chauvin defense raises more reasonable doubt with state witnesses

[KLATTU]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

Legalese.

 

[KLATTU]

Legalese.

Daily chuckle.

Yea ,legalese.The stuff that happens at trials.

 

[Hypothetical]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

which one is Baker? sorry I haven't had time to watch the case.. is he a medical expert or one of the actual coroners that wrote a report?

 

[KLATTU]

which one is Baker? sorry I haven't had time to watch the case.. is he a medical expert or one of the actual coroners that wrote a report?

the Hennepin County Medical Examiner who conducted the autopsy of George Floyd.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

which one is Baker? sorry I haven't had time to watch the case.. is he a medical expert or one of the actual coroners that wrote a report?

He performed Floyd’s autopsy. He confirmed Chauvin killed Floyd.

 

[MamboDervish]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

Unarmed, subdued, laying on the ground, handcuffed and surrounded by police. It would seem impossible to make any case that staying on top of Floyd had any reasonable justification whatsoever. If he were to be arrested, by the time he died he should have already been inside a cell for 5 minutes.

 

[KLATTU]

Unarmed, subdued, laying on the ground, handcuffed and surrounded by police. It would seem impossible to make any case that staying on top of Floyd had any reasonable justification whatsoever. If he were to be arrested, by the time he died he should have already been inside a cell for 5 minutes.

WE all know that's what the prosecution alleges. We'll se if the defense can effectively cast doubt on that .

 

[Josie]

He said the cause of death wasn't a lack of oxygen or asphyxia which is what the other experts said was the cause of death. That will most likely be a huge topic of discussion in the jury since the experts can't even agree to what actually killed Floyd. I wonder how they will rule if the jury decides that Chauvin played a part in his death, but wasn't entirely responsible. Like the medical examiner said, his body couldn't take the arrest because of his underlying heart conditions.

 

[Aunt Antifa]

He said the cause of death wasn't a lack of oxygen or asphyxia which is what the other experts said was the cause of death. That will most likely be a huge topic of discussion in the jury since the experts can't even agree to what actually killed Floyd. I wonder how they will rule if the jury decides that Chauvin played a part in his death, but wasn't entirely responsible. Like the medical examiner said, his body couldn't take the arrest because of his underlying heart conditions.

That would require defining Chauvin’s behavior as an ‘arrest”.

Unless the new claim is handcuffs caused Floyd’s death. Which, hey, anything but the big white cop sitting on his neck.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Everything in the OP article is pure commentary, what the author wants the message to be.

We still have the case for the defense to present, and it looks to be inline with what the OP has been going with for weeks, that Floyd should have been able to survive the intentions of Chauvin to assault and abuse him beyond any policy allowed by the Department, or the State.

Remember this thread when the OP turns around and suggests this is acceptable police behavior.

 

[snakestretcher]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

Rubbish! The only one being systematically gutted is Chauvin's defence lawyer, continually being corrected by prosecution witnesses.

 

[snakestretcher]

He said the cause of death wasn't a lack of oxygen or asphyxia which is what the other experts said was the cause of death. That will most likely be a huge topic of discussion in the jury since the experts can't even agree to what actually killed Floyd. I wonder how they will rule if the jury decides that Chauvin played a part in his death, but wasn't entirely responsible. Like the medical examiner said, his body couldn't take the arrest because of his underlying heart conditions.

That is not what the state (unpaid), medical examiner said. She clearly stated that in coming to her conclusion she included 'contributory factors' to his death, none of which directly caused his death. Furthermore there was no damage to his heart or lungs noted in the autopsies, and asphyxia remains the verdict on the cause of death in both autopsies.

Chauvin defense ineffective against prosecution’s medical expert in George Floyd case, attorney says

"They did not do any damage," Civil Rights attorney David Henderson told CNBC's "The News with Shepard Smith."

www.cnbc.com

 

[KLATTU]

Rubbish! The only one being systematically gutted is Chauvin's defence lawyer.

Daily chuckle.
Thanks for that objective analysis!
"So pathetic that there is a trial to prove that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd when there is video of him doing so. "

 

[BlueTex]

Daily chuckle.
Thanks for that objective analysis!
"So pathetic that there is a trial to prove that Derek Chauvin killed George Floyd when there is video of him doing so. "

Are you taking bets on whether the jury buys this?

 

[joko104]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

If he revived and died on the way to the hospital, obviously it was not murder. However, a dead body can be given CPR.

The DA should have allowed the options of reckless endangerment and felony assault, not just murder, for the jury.

 

[KLATTU]

Are you taking bets on whether the jury buys this?

Nope. I have no clue what the jury is or isn't buying. I only hope justice prevails.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Are you taking bets on whether the jury buys this?

Don't worry, soon the shoe will be on the other foot and the prosecution will have a field day ripping the defense which boils down to Floyd was not healthy enough for Chauvin's intentions to harm him and moreover the defense will try to argue it was acceptable for Chauvin to break police department policy (several times over) in his intentions to kill Floyd.

Should be entertaining to watch the defense try to pull off the narrative that Floyd had all this coming.

 

[BlueTex]

Don't worry, soon the shoe will be on the other foot and the prosecution will have a field day ripping the defense which boils down to Floyd was not healthy enough for Chauvin's intentions to harm him and moreover the defense will try to argue it was acceptable for Chauvin to break police department policy (several times over) in his intentions to kill Floyd.

Should be entertaining to watch the defense try to pull off the narrative that Floyd had all this coming.

I'm not worried at all... Agree, the defense should be very entertaining...

 

[Josie]

That is not what the state (unpaid), medical examiner said. She clearly stated that in coming to her conclusion she included 'contributory factors' to his death, none of which directly caused his death. Furthermore there was no damage to his heart or lungs noted in the autopsies, and asphyxia remains the verdict on the cause of death in both autopsies.

Chauvin defense ineffective against prosecution’s medical expert in George Floyd case, attorney says

"They did not do any damage," Civil Rights attorney David Henderson told CNBC's "The News with Shepard Smith."

www.cnbc.com

The chief medical examiner who did his autopsy isn’t a she. He stated that Floyd didn’t die from asphyxia or lack of oxygen. Rather, he died because his heart couldn’t take it.

 

[snakestretcher]

The chief medical examiner who did his autopsy isn’t a she.

There were two autopsies carried out; both examiners are equally qualified irrespective of gender differences. Asphyxia was the cause of death in the private autopsy, and both autopsies reached the same homicide conclusion.

 

[Josie]

There were two autopsies carried out; both examiners are equally qualified irrespective of gender differences. Asphyxia was the cause of death in the private autopsy, and both autopsies reached the same homicide conclusion.

Yes I am aware. Homicide is always the cause of death when someone else is involved. That doesn’t mean it’s legally homicide.

 

[Josie]

Don't worry, soon the shoe will be on the other foot and the prosecution will have a field day ripping the defense which boils down to Floyd was not healthy enough for Chauvin's intentions to harm him and moreover the defense will try to argue it was acceptable for Chauvin to break police department policy (several times over) in his intentions to kill Floyd.

Should be entertaining to watch the defense try to pull off the narrative that Floyd had all this coming.

It will be interesting to see how they frame it. I do think the differing opinions of the experts brings in reasonable doubt, though.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Are you taking bets on whether the jury buys this?

The jury is most likely to “buy” the fact that their lack of conviction will guarantee rioting, looting and arson on a nationwide scale. The only deliberation is likely to be conviction on which charge might possibly satisfy the gathering mob.

 

[Luckyone]

Chauvin Trial Day 10 Wrap-Up: Defense Raises More Reasonable Doubt with State Witnesses

Floyd’s Health & Drug Problems Alone Would Be Reasonable Causes of Death

legalinsurrection.com

On cross-examination Baker was also specifically asked by Nelson if the prone position was inherently dangerous? His answer was that according to his understanding of medical literature, it was not.

Did it appear to Dr. Baker, based on autopsy, review of all videos, and every other piece of evidence made available to him, that Chauvin’s knee ever occluded Floyd’s carotid artery? It did not.

But even if it had, noted Baker, it would have done so to only the carotid artery on that side of the body, and the non-occluded artery would have continued to carry blood to the brain.

So much for the testimony of the state’s MMA expert bystander witness Williams who had testified under oath that a “blood choke” could be effectively applied by the knee to merely one side of the neck.

Would the placement of Chauvin’s knee have been able anatomically to cut off Floyd’s airway? It would not, answered Baker.

So how again, exactly, did Chauvin’s conduct kill Floyd?

Baker also testified that a factor in his consideration of cause of death was that Floyd had been given CPR and survived until he reached the hospital, only dying there. This testimony directly contradicts that of early state expert witnesses who testified that they could identify the precise moment of Floyd’s death as he lay prone on the street based on police body camera, surveillance, and bystander videos.

My take away from watching the entirety of the testimony of Thomas and Baker was that, like other earlier state expert witnesses, they’d said the magic words the state had called them to say, but then had their credibility and purported certainty profoundly gutted by the defense on cross examination.

Klattu, why don't you go "on record" here on whether you would convict Chauvin and if you would, what would you convict him of.