The solution to long wait times for medical care is more doctors, not fewer ****ing patients.
Much to the annoyance of leftist pushing single payer healthcare. the CBO tells the truth where the leftist have lied.
the CBO did a minor score of their "medicare for all"
CBO: Medicare for All gives 'many more' coverage but 'potentially disruptive' | TheHill
a single-payer health care system would result in “many more” people with health insurance but would also be “potentially disruptive” and increase government control.
If more people gained coverage while payment rates to doctors and hospitals went down, Hadley said, there could be a lack of supply of health care causing “increased wait times and problems with access to care.” (yep a 40% cut in payments to what they are making now. since no one on here would work for 40% less why would doctors or hospitals?)
Republicans pressed the CBO officials for a cost estimate of the proposal, a crucial figure, but Hadley replied that “we don’t have an estimate yet,” because how the system is designed would greatly affect the cost. (The reason there is no cost estimate is that according to other sources leftist told them not to calculate it)
why is that?
Sally Pipes: '''Medicare-for-all''' is worse than the CBO says it is (much worse) | Fox News
The CBO suggested that a putative single-payer system could be funded by a combination of premiums, out-of-pocket payments, and taxes.
(wait i thought it was free? now i have to pay premiums, out of pocket costs and higher taxes?)
According to Emory University health economist Kenneth Thorpe, more than 70 percent of working Americans who have private insurance would wind up paying more for health care under a version of "Medicare-for-all" very similar to the one Sanders has introduced in the Senate. (wait i thought it was to cost me less not more?) ol the lies leftist tell.
As CBO Deputy Director Mark Hadley mentioned in this week's hearing, the report found that the elimination of cost-sharing would increase usage of health services -- and thereby drive up government spending even further. That could necessitate additional taxes. (wait? even more taxes)
As the CBO puts it, "Studies have found that increases in provider payment rates lead to a greater supply of medical care, whereas decreases in payment rates lead to a lower supply."
"Medicare-for-all", of course, envisions huge pay cuts for doctors and hospitals. It would reimburse doctors and hospitals at Medicare's rates, which are 40 percent less than those paid by private insurers. The CBO concludes that "such a reduction in provider payment rates would probably reduce the amount of care supplied and could also reduce the quality of care."
finally someone else agree's to the facts not the emotion rants of leftist.
sorry folks after years and years of saying how sucky government healthcare will be someone finally
had the balls to confirm it.
I don't think the full Medicare for all system will work as the progressives plan it. The healthcare industry is a capitalist industry like any other, designed to operate off of profits. I think we need something that will be truly progressive in that it will have many transitional phases to use what works and get rid of what doesn't, with the objective of expanding coverage to all the population while not disrupting the industry too much.
The Bernie Medicare For All package will underpay doctors for care in a time when doctors are desperately needed.
However, I will say that if a more extreme policy like this gets passed then it will be because Republicans didn't work with Democrats to progressively reform healthcare.
"while not disrupting the industry too much"
Fact is, the only way to avoid disrupting the industry is for the government to totally take over the industry. Make every healthcare business, every healthcare employee, every health insurance company and their employees become government employees. Make them all conform to government rules. Take away the profit motive.
But even if you do that, many of the problems identified by the CBO will still exist.
The solution to long wait times for medical care is more doctors, not fewer ****ing patients.
I agree, in a perfect world that would be the ideal. Seeing as we have a legacy capitalist system, we should work to make improvements and expansions with that in mind."while not disrupting the industry too much"
Fact is, the only way to avoid disrupting the industry is for the government to totally take over the industry. Make every healthcare business, every healthcare employee, every health insurance company and their employees become government employees. Make them all conform to government rules. Take away the profit motive.
But even if you do that, many of the problems identified by the CBO will still exist.
I agree, in a perfect world that would be the ideal. Seeing as we have a legacy capitalist system, we should work to make improvements and expansions with that in mind.
sorry not going to get people into the medical field paying them less money.
not worth my time.
if i was a doctor and you told me that i was going to make 40% less i would tell you go stuff it.
you wouldn't work for 40% less why should a doctor?
You're taking it as some kind of law of physics that doctor pay would decrease by 40%
Lots of nations have universal healthcare, and most of them have shorter waiting times than we do.
if you would have read the OP you would know what you are talking about.
so i will make this simple for you.
medicare payments are 40% less than normal insurance payments.
so if you won't work for 40% less then why should they?
the CBO says that you are not correct.
about 10-15 days or so to see a specialist in the US depending on where you live.
canada wait times is 21 weeks for a specialist.
for france.
It's a different story for specialists, for example the average waiting time to see a pediatrician is is three weeks and it's the same waiting time for a radiologist.
The average time to see a dentist is one month and for a gynecologist it's six weeks. For anyone with heart issues you might have to wait up to 50 days to see a cardiologist, two months for a dermatologist and up to 80 days for an ophthalmologist.
on par with the US in some area's worse than others.
so facts disprove what you are saying.
Weird that you haven't looked at waiting times in Germany or Sweden or Australia. It's always Canada or the UK that you folks look at. You also never account for the percentage of the US population that is simply left out in the cold. Gotta give at least a 10% bump to our wait times because at least that percentage of our population just doesn't go to the doctor because they can't afford it. (unless you're just a monster, which most Republicans are)
Does anyone else understand why so many automotive assembly jobs went to Canada?
It's because even with their heavy unionization, Canadian workforces are still cheaper because of the single payer healthcare.
it is weird that i am not going to go look at every country.
i found examples that proved you WRONG.
that is all that matters. you claim was not correct.
there are countries that have UHC that are in fact worse than the US.
take cuba for example where you might not even be able to see a doctor or get medication
because they don't have it.
even germany for a specialist at minimum is like 10 days. but it can be more depending on where you are at
etc ...
You can't use "examples" to prove me wrong because I'm not claiming EVERY country has shorter wait times.
the CBO has confirmed everything that we already knew about UHC systems
more expensive.
less doctors
less quality care
and longer wait times.
most doctors in those countries work for the state. they are no private individuals with their own practices.Most UHC countries have more, not fewer, doctors. There's no evidence that quality of care is lower. We do a lot of things well, like high end specialty care, and many things poorly like a lot of mundane things that address chronic conditions, but that are key to overall quality. And as you admit, wait times vary by country. It helps with wait times in many fields that UHC systems have more doctors. It helps our numbers that many people have a wait time of forever because without insurance they don't get on the list at all.
And the CBO report was about single payer, which is different than UHC. It's the same mistake, IMO, that many on the left are making - substituting one form of UHC as the goal instead of UHC. Fact is single payer is the rare EXCEPTION for UHC systems around the world - basically the UK and Canada in the advanced world to my knowledge. Everyone else has hybrid, public/private, many payers. Nearly all have more in common with the ACA than M4A.
most doctors in those countries work for the state. they are no private individuals with their own practices.
they get paid a salary determined by the state on what they should make.
I don't think i have ever argued that our system doesn't need work but so far there is no evidence that a UHC will work better.
Facts are facts. single payer or whatever you want to call it is more expensive.
you get less quality care
and longer wait times.
not to mention your doctor probably won't take it because who is going to work for 40% less?
not me.
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