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Carter calls out Cheney

Do you take Cheney seriously?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 23.1%

  • No.

    Votes: 10 76.9%
  • Total voters
    13
Originally Posted by TOT
A) If Bush lied about WMD then so too did a litany of Democratic Senators, Representatives, and former Presidents, as well as, all 16 members of the U.S. intelligence community and many foreign intelligence agencies including MI6, MOSSAD, and DGSE.
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The Mossad is a terrorist group. In this case, they happen to be Israeli terrorists.

Originally Posted by TOT
B) There was a connection between AQ and Saddam, however there wasn't a connection between Saddam and 9-11 and no one in the Bush administration ever said there was.
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This gets old. You can't prove it. You haven't proven it. And you never will prove it. Because there wasn't one.
 
Billo_Really said:
The Mossad is a terrorist group. In this case, they happen to be Israeli terrorists.
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No Mossad is the premiere intelligence agency and counter-terrorism organization in the world. They kill terrorists dead which is probably why you don't like them.

This gets old. You can't prove it. You haven't proven it. And you never will prove it. Because there wasn't one.
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Yes there was:

Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 24, 2006

CAIRO, Egypt - A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a "significant set of facts," and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show - March 24, 2006 - The New York Sun
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Originally Posted by TOT
No Mossad is the premiere intelligence agency and counter-terrorism organization in the world. They kill terrorists dead which is probably why you don't like them.
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That's because they ARE terrorists.
Originally Posted by TOT
Yes there was:
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Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show

By ELI LAKE
Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 24, 2006

CAIRO, Egypt - A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a "significant set of facts," and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Saddam, Al Qaeda Did Collaborate, Documents Show - March 24, 2006 - The New York Sun
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Will you just stop! The government went out of its way to issue a disclaimer that they were releasing the documents without making any statements regarding their validity or authenticity.
the administration "has made no determination regarding the authenticity of the documents, validity or factual accuracy of the information contained therein, or the quality of any translation."
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Now, if their not going to state these are authentic, why do you insist they are?
 
Billo_Really said:
That's because they ARE terrorists.
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Umm no they're not they are a counter-terrorist organization.

Will you just stop! The government went out of its way to issue a disclaimer that they were releasing the documents without making any statements regarding their validity or authenticity.Now, if their not going to state these are authentic, why do you insist they are?
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Standard plausible deniability. There were over 48,000 documents released some of them made the U.S. and our allies look bad.
 
Billo_Really said:
That's because they ARE terrorists.?
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Only to somebody either unwilling or unable to distinguish the difference between murder and extrajudicial actions taken against the murderer.

Of course, if one is already predisposed to support the murder, then any actions taken agains the murderer will besuspect.

If you wish to argue against these extrajudicial actions, be my guest, but to call them terrorist indicates such a fundamental misuse of the word terrorism as to undermine whatever little credibility you might have on the subject.
 
Originally posted by Gardener:
Only to somebody either unwilling or unable to distinguish the difference between murder and extrajudicial actions taken against the murderer.

Of course, if one is already predisposed to support the murder, then any actions taken agains the murderer will besuspect.

If you wish to argue against these extrajudicial actions, be my guest, but to call them terrorist indicates such a fundamental misuse of the word terrorism as to undermine whatever little credibility you might have on the subject.
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I call a spade a spade. I don't call it a heart, diamond or club.

The Mossad are Israeli terrorists. They are no different than Hamas terrorists, Palestinian terrorists, al Qaeda terrorists or any other jihadist. Anyone who goes into another country to commit murder and mayhem is a terrorist. Prove to me they haven't done that and I will retract my statement.
 
I think what Gardener is trying to say is that the Mossad are like teeny weeny terrorists, not big honkin' full-on terrorists.
 
niftydrifty said:
I think what Gardener is trying to say is that the Mossad are like teeny weeny terrorists, not big honkin' full-on terrorists.
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No, I'm saying they are acting like bad-*** cops instead of terrorists.

You are smart enough to discern the difference between killing innocent civilians because they are civilians and killing those who kill the civilians. You may not want to discern this difference because of your political ideology, but you are certainly capable.
 
Originally posted by Gardener:
No, I'm saying they are acting like bad-*** cops instead of terrorists.

You are smart enough to discern the difference between killing innocent civilians because they are civilians and killing those who kill the civilians. You may not want to discern this difference because of your political ideology, but you are certainly capable.
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Maybe within their own sovereign borders, but when they do that in another country, that is terrorism.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
Bullshit, not when those nations are giving these terrorists who have killed Israeli citizens safe haven.
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Sometimes I think you are just pure evil.
 
Billo_Really said:
I call a spade a spade. I don't call it a heart, diamond or club.

The Mossad are Israeli terrorists. They are no different than Hamas terrorists, Palestinian terrorists, al Qaeda terrorists or any other jihadist. Anyone who goes into another country to commit murder and mayhem is a terrorist. Prove to me they haven't done that and I will retract my statement.
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How is The Mossad "Israeli terrorists?" What innocent people is The Mossad targeting?
 
Originally posted by conserv.pat15
How is The Mossad "Israeli terrorists?" What innocent people is The Mossad targeting?
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They started the last Israeli/Lebonese war by capping a couple guys on Lebonese soil. That's why Hamas started sending rockets into Israel.
 
Billo_Really said:
They started the last Israeli/Lebonese war by capping a couple guys on Lebonese soil. That's why Hamas started sending rockets into Israel.
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Link please. Who was "capped?"

Was this "capping" before or after that Israeli soldier was kidnapped?
 
Billo_Really said:
They started the last Israeli/Lebonese war by capping a couple guys on Lebonese soil. That's why Hamas started sending rockets into Israel.
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That's a load of bullshit.

A) In regards to Lebanon it was Hezbollah not Hamas.

B) Hezbollah has been sending rockets into Israeli civilian sectors since the Israeli's withdrawal from Lebanon in 2000.
 
Originally posted by conserv.pat15
Link please. Who was "capped?"
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Here you go...
Israel responded to an unprovoked attack by Hizbullah, right? Wrong The assault on Lebanon was premeditated - the soldiers' capture simply provided the excuse. It was also unnecessary
by George Monbiot Global Research, August 9, 2006

On May 26 this year, two officials of Islamic Jihad - Nidal and Mahmoud Majzoub - were killed by a car bomb in the Lebanese city of Sidon. This was widely assumed in Lebanon and Israel to be the work of Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency.
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Does that help?
Originally posted by conserv.pat15
Was this "capping" before or after that Israeli soldier was kidnapped?
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The Israeli soldiers were kidnapped on Lebanese soil!
Who Really Started the War Against Lebanon?
A team of Israeli lawyers are suing the Lebanese government for starting the war
by Trish Schuh Global Research, August 15, 2006

Israeli sources went almost unnoticed. Cybercast News Service (CNSNews.com) of July 12 said: "The abduction of two Israeli soldiers by Hizbullah militants in southern Lebanon was not a terrorist attack but an act of war, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said Wednesday."
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Originally posted by TOT:
"globalresearch," why not just cite aljazeera or azzaman? I mean it would have just as much credibility.
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Ad hom's are great when you ain't got no argument, aren't they?
 
Billo_Really said:
Ad hom's are great when you ain't got no argument, aren't they?
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When your source cites Hezbollah propaganda as proof what am I supposed to do?

Even the Lebanon's former Prime Minister Walid Jumblatt says that Mahmoud Rafeh's "confession" is a Hezbollah fabrication.
 
Originally posted by TOT:
When your source cites Hezbollah propaganda as proof what am I supposed to do?
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Act like a responsible adult!
 
Originally posted by conserv.pat15
Thank you for pointing out the credibility issue.
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Thanking another posters ad hominum's doesn't say much for your credibility.
 
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