Carter calls out Cheney

[Sauwan]

"If you go back and see what Vice President Cheney has said for the last three or four years concerning Iraq, his batting average is abysmally low," Carter says of Cheney in an interview with George Stephanopoulos that will be shown on ABC News' This Week.

"He hasn't been right on hardly anything, in his prediction of what was going to happen . . . He's just been almost completely wrong on just about everything he's said."

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Do you still take Cheney seriously? The guy is bat-sh!t insane.

 

[niftydrifty]

of course, what Carter says is true. but just wait for the Carter-slurs to start.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

of course, what Carter says is true. but just wait for the Carter-slurs to start.

actually, what Carter says is opinion. His comments (the ones presented in this thread) are neither true or false.

 

[RightinNYC]

More seriously than carter.

 

[Hatuey]

actually, what Carter says is opinion. His comments (the ones presented in this thread) are neither true or false.

How many things has Dick Cheney been right on? I'd say Jimmy Carter is closer to being right then being wrong. When it comes to Dick Cheney atleast. It's not an opinion. It's the simple truth.

 

[niftydrifty]

I'm not gonna take any sort of political advice from him.

whew. is anyone asking you to take political advice from Carter?

totally predictable. a public figure makes a statement about another public figure. a forum member calls it opinion (with no evidence). a forum member compares the credibility of the two men. a forum member concurs, prompting him to make a generalization about advice.

no evidence is cited. no quotes are produced. the public figure is not refuted.

these are the kinds of people that prefer the credibility of Cheney.

is Carter right or wrong? do I have to beg and plead to get anyone to actually discuss the topic? I'd like to hear about how Carter is wrong.

 

[Hatuey]

whew. is anyone asking you to take political advice from Carter?

totally predictable. a public figure makes a statement about another public figure. a forum member calls it opinion (with no evidence). a forum member compares the credibility of the two men. a forum member concurs, prompting him to make a generalization about advice.

no evidence is cited. no quotes are produced. the public figure is not refuted.

these are the kinds of people that prefer the credibility of Cheney.

is Carter right or wrong? do I have to beg and plead to get anyone to actually discuss the topic? I'd like to hear about how Carter is wrong.

Carter is right. Cheney's credibility has been shattered on the world stage and at home. He's one of those men who wont admit he's made mistakes or that he's wrong. How he's got the audacity to even say that Iraq is doing pretty well is behond me.

 

[CurrentAffairs]

How many things has Dick Cheney been right on? I'd say Jimmy Carter is closer to being right then being wrong. When it comes to Dick Cheney atleast. It's not an opinion. It's the simple truth.

If it's truth, then it can be proven. Get started.

 

[dragonslayer]

Cheney is the a jerk. and so is Bush. They talk and talk and say nothing important. cheney seems to enjoys killing and hurting people. He is the great string puppet of Big business.

I have always been a bit worried that Cheney would have Bush killed so he could be President. Gosh, you think we are in trouble now??,,,, with Bush, and his stupidity,

think,,think of how bad off we would be under Cheney. I could see chaos and rebellion under Cheney.

cheney seems to hate the American people except for the very rich, whom he loves and worships.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

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Do you still take Cheney seriously? The guy is bat-sh!t insane.

This coming from the guy who is personally responsible for the spread of Islamic Fascism throughout the Middle East who has gone from terrorist apologist to terrorist supporter. Carter is the worst President in U.S. history and an even worse former President, who gives a flying fuc/k what that POS has to say? I for one do not.

 

[Billo_Really]

Originally posted by CurrentAffairs:
If it's truth, then it can be proven. Get started.

"Their in their last throws..." and "We'll be greeted as liberators..."

Your turn...

 

[Hatuey]

"Their in their last throws..." and "We'll be greeted as liberators..."

Your turn...

I love you Billo. hahahahahaha

 

[jfuh]

If it's truth, then it can be proven. Get started.

"The insurgency is in it's last throws"
"The war will practically pay for itself"
“(the US invasion) was the right thing to do, and if we had to do it again, we would do exactly the same thing,”
Need more proof?

 

[billybobama]

What has Bush or Cheney been right about?

 

[billybobama]

If you do not take Dick Cheney seriously he will shoot you in the head.

 

[Gardener]

I agree with Carter to some degree, but he doesn't present himself very well when he says things like "hasn't been right on hardly anything".

It's true that Cheney HAS been right on hardly anything. He has hardly been right on much of anything, too.


Although I agree with Carter's statement about Cheney, I don't think Carter should really set the standard by which we should conduct our foreign policy. His own foreign policy was a disaster and his current views towards the middle east are blinded by extreme bias.

What we need is a foreign policy somewhere between that of Carter and Cheney. People love to indulge in their mutually exclusive dichotomies as driven by their partisanship, but you know, a person really doesn't have to choose one or the other. If choice A is a foreign policy based upon a tail between the legs dhimmitude appeasement to the point one actually supports the point of view of the Islamists, and choice B is a foreign policy based upon such complete bellicose arrogance and crony capitalism that we end up driving people towards supporting Islamism as a reaction to our heavy handedness, the maybe we should be considering choice C, D or E instead.

 

[26 X World Champs]

I concur, I take him a whole lot more seriously than Carter. Dick Cheney may be a lying *******, but yeah, it's Jimmy Carter, I'm not gonna take any sort of political advice from him.

I do not believe President Carter was offering any advice? He was simply stating that Cheney's batting average for truth and about being right is incredibly low. To me that's not a measure of opinion it is fact:

YouTube - How Dick Cheney's Lies Got America Into Gulf War 1

YouTube - Dick Cheney Caught telling lies!!

YouTube - Bush lies and threatens the Constitution, Pt.2

 

[billybobama]

I agree with Carter to some degree, but he doesn't present himself very well when he says things like "hasn't been right on hardly anything".

It's true that Cheney HAS been right on hardly anything. He has hardly been right on much of anything, too.


Although I agree with Carter's statement about Cheney, I don't think Carter should really set the standard by which we should conduct our foreign policy. His own foreign policy was a disaster and his current views towards the middle east are blinded by extreme bias.

What we need is a foreign policy somewhere between that of Carter and Cheney. People love to indulge in their mutually exclusive dichotomies as driven by their partisanship, but you know, a person really doesn't have to choose one or the other. If choice A is a foreign policy based upon a tail between the legs dhimmitude appeasement to the point one actually supports the point of view of the Islamists, and choice B is a foreign policy based upon such complete bellicose arrogance and crony capitalism that we end up driving people towards supporting Islamism as a reaction to our heavy handedness, the maybe we should be considering choice C, D or E instead.

All your spinning and dancing cannot change 1 fact. What Jimmy Carter said was 100% correct.l

 

[26 X World Champs]

If it's truth, then it can be proven. Get started.

YouTube - OLBERMANN COMPARES V.P. CHENEY TO MOBSTER TONY SOPRANO

There you go old friend. Just one of about a zillion pieces of evidence that are easy to find and are all truths about Cheney. I'm dying to see you spin your untruths about Cheney...or will you do your usual and not express any opinion at all?

CurrentAffairs answer the questions about Cheney. Let's see you actually go on the record in this thread, it would be refreshing.

Do you think Cheney has been mostly right or wrong about Iraq?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3YIOeAv71E

 

[26 X World Champs]

"Their in their last throws..." and "We'll be greeted as liberators..."

Your turn...

Ever read "Waiting For Godot"? It's apt if you're waiting for CurrentAffairs.

 

[niftydrifty]

This coming from the guy who is personally responsible for the spread of Islamic Fascism throughout the Middle East who has gone from terrorist apologist to terrorist supporter. Carter is the worst President in U.S. history and an even worse former President, who gives a flying fuc/k what that POS has to say? I for one do not.

classic irrational invective. note how the actual words of the statement are never addressed.

"The Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy.' Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of jihad. Moderates throughout the region would take heart. And our ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process would be enhanced." - Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." - Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group, or individual terrorists" -- which is why the war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction" - Vice President Cheney, 1/10/03

"We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." - Vice President Cheney, 3/16/03

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly... (in) weeks rather than months." - Vice President Cheney, 3/16/03

"There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

"If we're successful in Iraq ... we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

"I think there has been fairly significant success in terms of putting Iraq back together again and certainly wouldn't lead me to suggest or think that the strategy is flawed or needs to be changed." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

"I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years." Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

"[T]he reporting that we had prior to the war this time around was all consistent with that -- basically said that he had a chemical, biological and nuclear program, and estimated that if he could acquire fissile material, he could have a nuclear weapon within a year or two." - Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/9/2004

"There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

"The elections were the turning point. … 2005 was the turning point." - Vice President Cheney, December 2005

"Q: Do you still believe the insurgency is in its final throes? Cheney: Yes." -- March 2006

"Progress has been steady." - Vice President Cheney, August 2006

"If we had to do it over again we would do exactly the same thing." - Vice President Cheney, September 2006

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

classic irrational invective. note how the actual words of the statement are never addressed.

"The Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy.' Extremists in the region would have to rethink their strategy of jihad. Moderates throughout the region would take heart. And our ability to advance the Israeli-Palestinian peace process would be enhanced." - Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02

So Professor Fouad Ajami was wrong not Cheney.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." - Vice President Cheney, 8/26/02

All 16 members of the intelligence community as well as numerous foreign intelligence agencies concluded that there was and he was.

"Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group, or individual terrorists" -- which is why the war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction" - Vice President Cheney, 1/10/03

See above.

"We believe Saddam has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." - Vice President Cheney, 3/16/03

Again all 16 intel agencies concluded this to be true.

"We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly... (in) weeks rather than months." - Vice President Cheney, 3/16/03

We took Baghdad in weeks not months, and the Iraqi's were happy to be rid of Saddam remember that statue coming down? If not for the Islamic Fascist insurgency we probably would have been considered liberators by the majority of the Iraqi populace.

"There was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

There was.

"If we're successful in Iraq ... we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

Still true today read the 2006 NIE.

"I think there has been fairly significant success in terms of putting Iraq back together again and certainly wouldn't lead me to suggest or think that the strategy is flawed or needs to be changed." - Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

This was at the begining of the war before the insurgency when our successes in Iraq were astronomical IE taking Baghdad within weeks.

"I have no financial interest in Halliburton of any kind and haven't had now for over three years." Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

That's a fact jack, Cheney gets the same amount of money from Halliburton if the stocks goes down as he does if their stock goes up.

"[T]he reporting that we had prior to the war this time around was all consistent with that -- basically said that he had a chemical, biological and nuclear program, and estimated that if he could acquire fissile material, he could have a nuclear weapon within a year or two." - Vice President Dick Cheney, 1/9/2004

All 16 intel agencies agreed.

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"There's overwhelming evidence there was a connection between al Qaeda and the Iraqi government. I am very confident that there was an established relationship there." - Vice President Cheney, 1/22/04
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Because there was.

"I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency." --Vice President Dick Cheney, on the Iraq insurgency, June 20, 2005

What's he supposed to say? That we're losing? Do you want him to pump up the morale of the enemy and hurt the morale of our own troops?

"The elections were the turning point. … 2005 was the turning point." - Vice President Cheney, December 2005

They certainly were a milestone if not a turning point.

"Q: Do you still believe the insurgency is in its final throes? Cheney: Yes." -- March 2006

Again what is he supposed to say?

"Progress has been steady." - Vice President Cheney, August 2006

It has, compare the Democratization of Iraq to the revolutionary war, the Iraqi's are ahead of the game.

"If we had to do it over again we would do exactly the same thing." - Vice President Cheney, September 2006

Again what is he supposed to say that the war was a mistake? Ya that will be real good for the troops in harms way to hear.

 

[Navy Pride]

Carter is a senile old man...and imbecile..he should just shut the **** up!!!!

 

[niftydrifty]

TOT, your response is amazing. And please let me expound upon that for a moment. I'm not amazed by your reasoning. what I'm amazed by, is that anyone could hang on and support the dead-enders with such spectacular fervor and loyalty.

Gee, almost everything Cheney said about Iraq is true, if ... you compare it to this or that, or point out that so-and-so was wrong also, or take "it" out of context, or pretend that insignificant barely existent miniscule "relationships" are significant, or compare the situation in Iraq with a completely incomparable one hundreds of years ago, or ... if we simply pretend that he had to say the wrong thing in order to make someone happy.

yeah, that's the ticket.

 

[Trajan Octavian Titus]

TOT, your response is amazing. And please let me expound upon that for a moment. I'm not amazed by your reasoning. what I'm amazed by, is that anyone could hang on and support the dead-enders with such spectacular fervor and loyalty.

Better than supporting an Islamic Fascist enabler, apologist, and supporter like Jimmy Carter.

Gee, almost everything Cheney said about Iraq is true, if ... you compare it to this or that, or point out that so-and-so was wrong also,

Well if Cheney was wrong so was every single member of the intelligence community, and a litany of Democratic Senators, Representatives, and former Presidents.

or take "it" out of context,

I actually placed things into context, IE a timeframe.

or pretend that insignificant barely existent miniscule "relationships" are significant,

There was a relationship and it was infact collaborative.

or compare the situation in Iraq with a completely incomparable one hundreds of years ago,

Let's see two peoples fighting to be released from the yolk of tyranny is incomparable?

or ... if we simply pretend that he had to say the wrong thing in order to make someone happy.

So you'e suggesting that Cheney should inspire the insurgency and hurt troops moral?