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Capitalism is not compatible with democracy.

Many people believe capitalism and democracy are consistent, but the truth is that they are entirely antagonistic to each other. To see why, let's first consider socialism and democracy. Woodrow Wilson, who was a progenitor of the progressive movement, found socialism and democracy to be inseparable:

Roundly described, socialism is a proposition that every community, by means of whatever forms of organization may be most effective for the purpose, see to it for itself that each one of its members finds the employment for which he is best suited and is rewarded according to his diligence and merit, all proper surroundings of moral influence being secured to him by the public authority.

That's the socialist dream right there. He continues:

‘State socialism’ is willing to act though state authority as it is at present organized. It proposes that all idea of a limitation of public authority by individual rights be put out of view, and that the State consider itself bound to stop only at what is unwise or futile in its universal superintendence alike of individual and of public interests. The thesis of the states socialist is, that no line can be drawn between private and public affairs which the State may not cross at will.

No limit on government power, which is basically what all leftists want. Here's the money quote:

Applied in a democratic state, such doctrine sounds radical, but not revolutionary. It is only an acceptance of the extremest logical conclusions deducible from democratic principles long ago received as respectable. For it is very clear that in fundamental theory socialism and democracy are almost if not quite one and the same. They both rest at bottom upon the absolute right of the community to determine its own destiny and that of its members. Men as communities are supreme over men as individuals.

Another way to put would be, "The common interest before self-interest".

This is really what socialism is all about. What's good for the group takes priority over individual rights, and individual rights always come down to specific property rights.

Now let's consider capitalism, where the individual is supreme, and the community can go f itself.

Capitalism is predicated on private ownership, which means it is based on property rights, yet the only way a democratic state can exist is by violating property rights. How can an entity which relies on a form of extortion in order to fund itself in any way be consistent with capitalism? Virtually anything the state does violates property rights in one way or another.

Because of socialism's mile-long track record of failure, many moderate leftists support "regulated capitalism" instead of socialism. Of course the term "regulated capitalism" is nothing but a euphemism for economic fascism where "private" ownership is permitted, but virtually all economic activity is taxed and regulated by the state. The economy Mussolini created was a progressive wet dream.

To summarize, Wilson was correct: democracy and socialism go hand in hand, while democracy and capitalism have nothing in common.
 
No, but you can prove your case by answering the question.
I have answered that question for you in another thread not all that long ago:


And it's impossible to take you seriously here. Reduction is not elimination, not matter how much you gainsay that it is.
 
I have answered that question for you in another thread not all that long ago:


And it's impossible to take you seriously here. Reduction is not elimination, not matter how much you gainsay that it is.

You said: "I would start with a 10% spending reduction across the board, every department as there's at least that much waste. After that, the deeper, targeted cuts would begin."

So, my question actually wasn't answered.
 
You said: "I would start with a 10% spending reduction across the board, every department as there's at least that much waste. After that, the deeper, targeted cuts would begin."

So, my question actually wasn't answered.
That is my answer. I don't pretend to know how deeply we should cut in every federal department, but I'm confident there is more than 10% waste in some departments.

The larger point is that my cuts would not extend to welfare subsidies for the needy, an unfounded assertion you continue to make.
 
That is my answer. I don't pretend to know how deeply we should cut in every federal department, but I'm confident there is more than 10% waste in some departments.

The larger point is that my cuts would not extend to welfare subsidies for the needy, an unfounded assertion you continue to make.

Who are the needy?
 
It wouldn't exist in a Socialist envisioned economy because the areas it is designed to address wouldn't exist.

But welfare has existed in socialist states, just not in the form of cash payments People like yourself view the government as a metaphorical mommy, and the citizenry as children to be taken care of. In the USSR they had the free housing, healthcare, education, etc, along with guaranteed employment.

Taxation.

So the welfare state is paid for by confiscating wealth from the private sector.


Also, 'welfare state' (the pejorative that right-wingers use to describe government) is not synonymous with welfare. When you say welfare state, you're including things like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Public Education.

That's right. Free stuff is welfare, by definition.

If those are welfare to you, we have a problem with your vision of a functioning civilization.

Well, we've seen what your version of society looks like. Cuba and North Korea are lovely this time of year.
 
So the welfare state is paid for by confiscating wealth from the private sector.

Well, since wealth doesn't exist without government, nor does the economy from which it is derived exist without government, you appear to be chasing your own ass.

That's right. Free stuff is welfare, by definition.

Good luck on your libertarian society where no one pays taxes, the poor live in Burroughs by the thousands, and roads just go to places like Amazon and Walmart. What freedom.

Well, we've seen what your version of society looks like. Cuba and North Korea are lovely this time of year.

Why not just look to America, where people pay taxes?
 
Because America is not a socialist state, which is your ideal version of society.

You said taxation is socialist and a confiscation of wealth, which I explained wouldn't even exist outside of government.
 
I said Burrough, I meant Bowery.

'During the 1930s, the Bowery's population peaked at around 75,000, but by 1949, it had declined to 15,000 due to the G.I. Bill of 1944, which provided educational opportunities leading to better economic prospects for veterans.'

'Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal included various housing and welfare initiatives aimed at improving living conditions and providing economic security for many Americans. One such initiative was the Wagner-Steagall Housing Act of 1937, which provided subsidies for low-cost housing projects and established the United States Housing Authority to manage these projects. This act was part of FDR's broader efforts to address the housing needs of low-income families and to combat the economic challenges of the Great Depression.'

'FDR's policies also included the creation of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) in 1934, which insured mortgages and encouraged the construction of new homes and the repair of existing structures. These measures were designed to stabilize the housing market and provide relief to those affected by the economic downturn.'

'Franklin D. Roosevelt played a significant role in shaping the GI Bill, which included provisions for housing assistance for veterans. The Servicemen's Readjustment Act of 1944, also known as the GI Bill, provided veterans with funds for college education, unemployment insurance, and housing benefits.'

'Roosevelt initially proposed a smaller program, but after lobbying by the American Legion and public pressure, the bill was expanded to include generous benefits for veterans. The bill aimed to prevent widespread unemployment and economic depression by successfully reintegrating returning servicemen and women into civilian society.'

Welfare...
 
I said Burrough, I meant Bowery.

'During the 1930s, the Bowery's population peaked at around 75,000, but by 1949, it had declined to 15,000 due to the G.I. Bill of 1944, which provided educational opportunities leading to better economic prospects for veterans.'

Only for white veterans. Black veterans didn't get shit.

'Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal included various housing and welfare initiatives aimed at improving living conditions and providing economic security for many Americans. One such initiative was the Wagner-Steagall Housing Act of 1937, which provided subsidies for low-cost housing projects and established the United States Housing Authority to manage these projects. This act was part of FDR's broader efforts to address the housing needs of low-income families and to combat the economic challenges of the Great Depression.'

Filthy, crime-ridden, government housing projects that all ended up getting torn down.

'FDR's policies also included the creation of the Federal Housing Administration (FHA) in 1934, which insured mortgages and encouraged the construction of new homes and the repair of existing structures. These measures were designed to stabilize the housing market and provide relief to those affected by the economic downturn.'

The FHA made extensive use of red-lining in order to make minorities ineligible for FHA loans. The FHA also supported racial covenants, in order to keep black people out of new housing developments.

Leftist hero FDR was a vile racist. The entire progressive movement was based on white nationalism, but you won't learn that in any government-run skool.
 
Only for white veterans. Black veterans didn't get shit.

But it was an improvement, right? That black people didn't progress at the same pace as white people is a separate issue, which in many ways persists to this day. You gone Woke on me? Lets Woke together.

Filthy, crime-ridden, government housing projects that all ended up getting torn down.

Is the solution to re-open the Bowery?

The FHA made extensive use of red-lining in order to make minorities ineligible for FHA loans. The FHA also supported racial covenants, in order to keep black people out of new housing developments.

You so woke.

Leftist hero FDR was a vile racist.

FDR was a mixed bag. So was Albert Einstein and many figures throughout history. But the point of progressivism is that we move forward with what works, reject what didn't work, strive for improvement both in ourselves and in society. What do you strive for?

The entire progressive movement was based on white nationalism,

What are your thoughts on Curtis Yarvin?

but you won't learn that in any government-run skool.

Do you support the School Vouchers grift?
 
I would say it's a way to get out of responding to a question in your context.
No, it's a way of not playing your game.

When you ask a serious question, you'll get an answer from me. When you attempt deflect away from the topic at hand, you'll get called out on it.
 
Sorry, that's just too foolish and argument to take seriously. If you want an example of why this is so wrong, two years after that article was published we had Trump's 2016 victory. The Democratic elite certainly didn't want him. The Republican elite didn't, either. Big business had every reason to be worried about a tariff espousing populist. Yet he came to power despite his election being against the wishes of some of the most powerful monied and political interests that exist in the US.

Don't let those Ivy League professors scare you with their "multivariate analysis." We do not have an oligarchy, and anyone who tells you otherwise is either attempting to manipulate you or is an idiot.
IDK. As Trump has spent his entire adult life trying to gain acceptance of the actually successful rich folk, they may have seen that hunger as a lever. Remember that his one accomplishment was a huge permanent tax cut for those folks.
 
No, his one accomplishment is saving the supreme court from the left.
Oh yeah, I forgot. He packed the court so he could do whatever he wants and those billionaires will never be held accountable.

The real issue is right in the name

Capitalism is great.

For those with capital.

Not so much for those without. And as the game is who can be the richest most powerful status junkie, they aren’t interested in new “players”.

For example, they are openly buying entry level homes all over the country above asking, cash, no inspections. The stated goal is keeping everybody renting for their entire lives.

Home ownership and inherited homes used to represent capital for the masses. And now that’s going away too.
 
No, it's a way of not playing your game.

When you ask a serious question, you'll get an answer from me. When you attempt deflect away from the topic at hand, you'll get called out on it.

Let me scroll up, you said:

That is my answer. I don't pretend to know how deeply we should cut in every federal department, but I'm confident there is more than 10% waste in some departments.

The larger point is that my cuts would not extend to welfare subsidies for the needy, an unfounded assertion you continue to make.

Thus, 'Who are the needy?' seems like a perfectly reasonable question.
 
A few quotes about socialism:

"You can vote your way into Socialism but you'll have to shoot your way out." - Larry Lambert

"The goal of socialism is communism" - Vladimir Lenin

"Wherever socialism spread, misery followed." - Greg Gutfeld

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill

Socialism in its true form is bad for liberty and freedom because government is given too much power.

What?!? A rich nobleman born with a silver spoon in his mouth was opposed to socialism? Who could have ever guessed?
 
What?!? A rich nobleman born with a silver spoon in his mouth was opposed to socialism? Who could have ever guessed?
And all those silly Europeans living under the horrific burden of socialism.

To be fair in this discussion, however, one has to distinguish among the various types of political parties espousing socialism and their practices in power. Bernie’s socialism is not Lenin’s.
 
And all those silly Europeans living under the horrific burden of socialism.

To be fair in this discussion, however, one has to distinguish among the various types of political parties espousing socialism and their practices in power. Bernie’s socialism is not Lenin’s.

Yeah, the horrific burden of universal healthcare and social welfare networks. Note: Churchill said the same stuff about the Labour Party's policies.
 
Many people believe capitalism and democracy are consistent, but the truth is that they are entirely antagonistic to each other. To see why, let's first consider socialism and democracy. Woodrow Wilson, who was a progenitor of the progressive movement, found socialism and democracy to be inseparable:



That's the socialist dream right there. He continues:



No limit on government power, which is basically what all leftists want. Here's the money quote:



Another way to put would be, "The common interest before self-interest".

This is really what socialism is all about. What's good for the group takes priority over individual rights, and individual rights always come down to specific property rights.

Now let's consider capitalism, where the individual is supreme, and the community can go f itself.

Capitalism is predicated on private ownership, which means it is based on property rights, yet the only way a democratic state can exist is by violating property rights. How can an entity which relies on a form of extortion in order to fund itself in any way be consistent with capitalism? Virtually anything the state does violates property rights in one way or another.

Because of socialism's mile-long track record of failure, many moderate leftists support "regulated capitalism" instead of socialism. Of course the term "regulated capitalism" is nothing but a euphemism for economic fascism where "private" ownership is permitted, but virtually all economic activity is taxed and regulated by the state. The economy Mussolini created was a progressive wet dream.

To summarize, Wilson was correct: democracy and socialism go hand in hand, while democracy and capitalism have nothing in common.
That is why all free countries practice REGULATED capitalism. Where the excesses of pure capitalism are regulated. Under your definition capitalism is only compatible with anarchy. It all goes back to the saying that democracy is the worst form of Govt. excluding all other forms.
 
That is why all free countries practice REGULATED capitalism.

Regulation is just another word for corruption. See this post I wrote about an hour ago:

 
Regulation is just another word for corruption. See this post I wrote about an hour ago:

Actually it is the lack of regulation that invites corruption. Tariffs are a form of income that the Constitution says is the job of Congress exclusively.
 
Regulation is just another word for corruption. See this post I wrote about an hour ago:

“Regulation just another word for corruption.” I assume that you mean that done poorly it can open the door to corruption. Hard to argue that regulations about slavery, child labor, unequal pay for men and women, minimum wage, mine safety, etc. open the door to corruption and shouldn’t exist.
 
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