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Hardly. My step father once lined us up against the wall and with gun in hand, threaten to kill us all there and then. He was extrememly violent. His bother was shot to death by the police over a $35 robbery. I even once put a man in the hospital for a month trying to remember who he was with my bare hands. I understand violence as much as anyone.
Hardly. My step father once lined us up against the wall and with gun in hand, threaten to kill us all there and then. He was extrememly violent. His bother was shot to death by the police over a $35 robbery. I even once put a man in the hospital for a month trying to remember who he was with my bare hands. I understand violence as much as anyone.
The bolded sentence makes no sense. Nonetheless, this seems like an appropriate time to point out the fact that yoru hands should be registered as deadly weapons.
I think I'm beginning to understand your opposition to notions of criminal punishment.I beat him unconsious.
I think I'm beginning to understand your opposition to notions of criminal punishment.
I beat him unconsious.
Do I really need to spell it out? Let's just say your sympathies lie in a different place than mine do.Most likely not. But give it a shot.
Any evidence it is a deterent?
For the record, in spite of how damned attractive you are, your arguments are much wronger than my own.
And for the record, most death penalty proponents (and none in this thread) don't believe the death penalty has a crime prevention (deterrent) effect. When a guy is looking to stab his wife to death because she pissed him off, the death penalty/prison sentence is the last thing he's thinking about. Prison, in general, does not serve as a deterrent to crime, other than for those who are incarcerated. Keeping the right people incarcerated can DEFINITELY have a quelling effect on overall crime.
That won't keep death penalty opponents from beating this dead horse repeatedly, though.
So, it's not the antis who are flogging this particular dead horse. You'll notice that none of us here have raised it, merely responded when a pro-DP poster used it.Deterrents are only as effective as the punishment is harsh........
.....the penalty of death for taking innocent life is both appropriate and necessary.
Despite your irresistible sex bomb status, your cogent argument is somewhat spoiled by one of your very own colleagues right here, Mr Badmutha, who argues that very point. Post 137:So, it's not the antis who are flogging this particular dead horse. You'll notice that none of us here have raised it, merely responded when a pro-DP poster used it.
Despite your irresistible sex bomb status, your cogent argument is somewhat spoiled by one of your very own colleagues right here, Mr Badmutha, who argues that very point. Post 137:So, it's not the antis who are flogging this particular dead horse. You'll notice that none of us here have raised it, merely responded when a pro-DP poster used it.
Odd. Punishments are not a deterent? Why have them, then?
Why, exactly?
Do I really need to spell it out? Let's just say your sympathies lie in a different place than mine do.
Is punishment and it's varying degrees not a deterent?
If not, then why have punishments?
You can keep saying that, but I do get it, better than before. Some of us are outraged by what the system does to criminals, others of us are more outraged by what criminals do to their victims. It's all a matter of perspective.Like I said, unlikely that you get it.
And over-simplification, clearly.It's all a matter of perspective.
You can keep saying that, but I do get it, better than before. Some of us are outraged by what the system does to criminals, others of us are more outraged by what criminals do to their victims. It's all a matter of perspective.
It's true. Sometimes people seem to feel more sorry the murderer than the victims.And over-simplification, clearly.
To me that doesn't make sense. I know people who would steal but don't because of the laws. Is it not plausible to think the some people decide not to do the crime, because they don't want to be punished? I would think that some people secretly wish to do crimes but don't because of their fears.
Apparently there is no such thing as a deterrent to murder.......regardless if the punishment is a death sentence or a $5.00 fine......
.......so we should stop punishing murderers all together.....since according to the anti-capital punishment crowd......deterrents have no effect what so ever and have never prevented one murder.
My only hope.....is said crowd is not reproducing......
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This is a red herring, in my opinion. If the DP is imposed only when we know for certain who the guilty party is, as in Loughner's case, would you support it then?You miss the point. I ahve not argued that criminals are msitreated in any way. I've argued that I wouldn't accept killing one INNOCENT person being killed by mistake. What you write shows you really don't get it.
Some kill because of their fears as well. But, most people don't steal, and they don't for all kinds of reasons. Punsihment is but one. But even with punishments, people steal. However, murder comes from a different place. Less greed, and more primal.
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