Can we stop ISIS?

[Brischera]

We still have more of it, we do not need them, if China or India wants to deal with the middle east let them have all the fun they can handle.

As of Israel they are on their own.

Why did we change how Iraq traded oil in currency shortly after the 2003 invasion?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Why did we change how Iraq traded oil in currency shortly after the 2003 invasion?

Good point, how odd old Saddam was taking Euros and then we invade him...

 

[blackjack50]

Thank you, lets end this madness, they way we win is not to play.

Easier said than done. You have China and Russia to consider there as well. Besides...boil it down to human rights violations and you know they are pure evil. Even democrats will get on board that and argue that we should bomb them and give guns to their enemies who will end up being our enemies and so on. It is stupid.

Our BEST bet is to get an energy source that isn't oil.

 

[cpwill]

It appears you enjoy labeling anything disagreeable as a CT.

No, I label silly conspiracy theories as CT. Because they are. What you spouted off was a conspiracy theory, and belongs in that forum.

Is this because it is too difficult to discuss the multifaceted and interlaced conglomerates between international alliances, private security companies, and a lack of accounting on military activities and equipment?

No. It's because non-falsifiable claims by those who naively presume USG omnicompetence only at the task of evil are worthless discussions.

This an article doing a decent job of outlining the sources of the problems:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/opinion/how-america-helped-isis.html?_r=0

Of course, with the author being a combat Vet and having served for 8 years in the US military you may have to overlook what you would probably call "American Hatred" because that has become the UPC stamp anytime people cannot discuss their positions with valid information.

:shrug: as a combat vet with 8 years in the US military, I don't have a problem saying that my fellow vets can be idiots.

However, this article does not support your claims. It looks like you googled "America helped ISIS", and went with the most reputable URL you could find. They are simply rehashing the Camp Bucca story, which is A) Historically accurate and B) not a conspiracy theory claiming that we helped support ISIS with training/weapons, that we do not want to stop ISIS, etc.

 

[cpwill]

Easier said than done. You have China and Russia to consider there as well. Besides...boil it down to human rights violations and you know they are pure evil. Even democrats will get on board that and argue that we should bomb them and give guns to their enemies who will end up being our enemies and so on. It is stupid.

Our BEST bet is to get an energy source that isn't oil.

Addendum : and that is also cheaper and more effective than oil.

We have lots of non-oil energy sources. What we don't have is something that can beat oil for what we use oil for.

 

[blackjack50]

Addendum : and that is also cheaper and more effective than oil.

We have lots of non-oil energy sources. What we don't have is something that can beat oil for what we use oil for.

Well I guess I meant to imply that

If we can fuel our aircraft and other transit on better methods we are on our way.

 

[ballantine]

Please take this nonsense to the Conspiracy Theory forum, which is where it belongs.

No, it's absolutely true. We helped create ISIS with our own stupidity. They were able to use our weapons and our money, and they even benefited from training we provided. That is the truth.

 

[cpwill]

No, it's absolutely true. We helped create ISIS with our own stupidity. They were able to use our weapons and our money, and they even benefited from training we provided. That is the truth.

:roll: and I suppose China helped create ISIS by building the electronics they use and then selling them on the global market.

If you want to argue that ISIL took advantage of our errors, I'd argue you would be correct. If you want to argue that ISIL took advantage of the power vacuum we created when we left, I would say you would also be correct. But that is actions on their part, not on ours. It does not follow that either A) we helped them or B) that we want them to stay. Both of those are conspiracy theories, and belong in the CT forum, next to the people who claim that 9/11 was a government fraud, and Southeast Asian earthquakes are the result of Israeli weapons testing.

 

[cpwill]

Well I guess I meant to imply that

If we can fuel our aircraft and other transit on better methods we are on our way.

:shrug: partly. But oil is in everything - up to and including the computer you are typing on.

 

[blackjack50]

:shrug: partly. But oil is in everything - up to and including the computer you are typing on.

Oil? Idk. I'm on a phone btw

Lol but seriously. It would be a significant reduction if we didn't use oil for power and vehicles. And could synthetics be used instead?

 

[cpwill]

Oil? Idk.

Yup oil. Take a look around you. See how many things are made out of plastic?

I'm on a phone btw

That too.

Lol but seriously. It would be a significant reduction if we didn't use oil for power and vehicles. And could synthetics be used instead?

It could be - again, price is the determinant.

 

[Brischera]

No, I label silly conspiracy theories as CT. Because they are. What you spouted off was a conspiracy theory, and belongs in that forum.



No. It's because non-falsifiable claims by those who naively presume USG omnicompetence only at the task of evil are worthless discussions.



:shrug: as a combat vet with 8 years in the US military, I don't have a problem saying that my fellow vets can be idiots.

However, this article does not support your claims. It looks like you googled "America helped ISIS", and went with the most reputable URL you could find. They are simply rehashing the Camp Bucca story, which is A) Historically accurate and B) not a conspiracy theory claiming that we helped support ISIS with training/weapons, that we do not want to stop ISIS, etc.

You simple slapped the CT label on a disagreeable post and when presented with supporting evidence say, without qualification, why it failed. Of course it wasnt a conspiracy theory as my post was not either.

The problem is you and others act as if some strange foreign source appeared out of the blue and they are the immediate enemy.

You are the kind of person to complain about illegal immigrants from Mexico and ten minutes later in a different thread cheer our illegal immigration presence in Iraq.

 

[cpwill]

You simple slapped the CT label on a disagreeable post and when presented with supporting evidence say, without qualification, why it failed.

No, I pointed out to you that your conspiracy theory was a conspiracy theory, and that we had a forum for that. When you tried to retort with a NY Times Editorial, I pointed out that the article you were citing did not actually support any of your arguments.

The problem is you and others act as if some strange foreign source appeared out of the blue and they are the immediate enemy.

:lol: you have no idea what my background is or how long I've been following this group.

And ISIL is as deeply Iraqi (Ba'athist) as they are Islamist.

You are the kind of person to complain about illegal immigrants from Mexico and ten minutes later in a different thread cheer our illegal immigration presence in Iraq.

:lol: our presence in Iraq is not illegal.

 

[Deuce]

:lol: our presence in Iraq is not illegal.

I'm not sure "legal invasion" is a meaningful concept.

 

[cpwill]

I'm not sure "legal invasion" is a meaningful concept.

Our presence in Iraq is at the request of the Iraqi government.

 

[poweRob]

If that's what people call it then yes, exterminate ISIS down to the last man woman and child. No quarter expected, no quarter granted, kill them all and let God worry about the sorting if he so chooses.

Wow... your such a tough guy. I'm sure all the girls in here are impressed.

 

[PoS]

Our presence in Iraq is at the request of the Iraqi government.

Yeah, the puppet government that we're propping up after we deposed the last one...

 

[PirateMk1]

Wow... your such a tough guy. I'm sure all the girls in here are impressed.

Ok. :shrug:

 

[Sherman123]

You can't bomb your way out of an ideology like this. That's attacking the symptoms rather than the disease.

Why? Because we couldn't bomb our way out of Fascism?

 

[cpwill]

Yeah, the puppet government that we're propping up after we deposed the last one...

:shrug: we are supporting them now, sure. We weren't there when we were asked in to help with ISIL. Nor are they our puppet - they were voted in by the Iraqi people.

 

[cpwill]

Why? Because we couldn't bomb our way out of Fascism?

You can't cannon your way out of slavery.

 

[Brischera]

No, I pointed out to you that your conspiracy theory was a conspiracy theory, and that we had a forum for that. When you tried to retort with a NY Times Editorial, I pointed out that the article you were citing did not actually support any of your arguments.



:lol: you have no idea what my background is or how long I've been following this group.

And ISIL is as deeply Iraqi (Ba'athist) as they are Islamist.



:lol: our presence in Iraq is not illegal.

It is not a conspiracy theory to highlight how our policies ensure continued violence in iraq to justify continued military presence and it is definitely not a theory that this group supposedly formed in its current state as a direct reaction to our occupation. It is not a simple unified group but mostly made up of Iraqis who have opposed our illegal invasion of Iraq.

People who claim they are nothing but terrorists are ignoring our own actions, including drones that kill civilians and torture that includes forced rectal feeding.

 

[nota bene]

They are terrorists. They decapitate little kids, rape girls as young as 7, and sell and sexually abuse women.

Whatever the U.S. or any other nation has done or not done, ISIS are terrorists.

 

[Serenity]

They are terrorists. They decapitate little kids, rape girls as young as 7, and sell and sexually abuse women.

Whatever the U.S. or any other nation has done or not done, ISIS are terrorists.

Yup, they are terrorists and yes, they are guilty of committing despicable acts such as those you have mentioned above. There are posters in this thread openly advocating genocide that will obviously see women and children killed.

Disgusting and shows a complete and utter disregard for those women's and childrens lives. It's shocking really how much some peoples views are so similar to those they condemn.

 

[cpwill]

It is not a conspiracy theory to highlight how our policies ensure continued violence in iraq to justify continued military presence

Yes, it is. As soon as you claim a deliberate policy of supporting ISIL in order to justify our return (which is idiotic - you think Obama wanted to go back to Iraq?), you are making a CT claim. You are claiming that US foreign policy is the opposite of what is stated, and that a conspiracy of true actors at the top seek to create chaos and bloodshed in order to justify.... deployments for the sake of deployments, I suppose.

and it is definitely not a theory that this group supposedly formed in its current state as a direct reaction to our occupation.

That is correct. It is not a theory. Because it is not historically accurate. The group that was the genesis of ISIL existed prior to our 2003 invasion of Iraq, and their evolution into ISIL happened after we left Iraq.

People who claim they are nothing but terrorists are ignoring our own actions, including drones that kill civilians and torture that includes forced rectal feeding.

:lol: Drones kill fewer civilians than any other interdiction method, and approximately zero people in Iraq give a flying **** about the gitmo detainees.

They aren't "nothing but terrorists". They are terrorists who are also now running a semi-failing state. But they are definitely terrorists.