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Can we all agree that the efforts Democrats make to reduce gun violence will benefit red states more than blue states?

mrjurrs said:
In the context of this thread your question is irrelevant.
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So you're afraid to answer so the answer is yes.
mrjurrs said:
Do you consider red flag laws gun control?
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Yes. Anything that gives the government just the ability to remove your rights without due process is unacceptable. I can't believe you're even entertaining this.

Why shouldn't your Fourth amendment rights just be able to be temporarily suspended? Why not your sixth amendment right?
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You have no idea what I apply to anything else, this is stupid.

you haven't shown a fallacy, you created an assumption out of nothing.

No one said they are, you are again creating strawman arguments.

You are not doing anything like that, you are simply creating nonsense and strawman.

I've already shown the irony of this. This has all started from your denial of language, you are not creating any argument.

Of course you complained, you labeled it an ad hom. This is a perfect example of your twisting language, moving goalposts.

You are in denial of crap you post, of course you won't admit to all of this sophomoric nonsense.

You 2a nuts cannot discuss the subject without going off on pointless semantic deadends. You can't even agree on the concept of what gun violence constitutes without these pointless diversions about people committing suicide by jumping from buildings. Anything is allowed by cults, no matter how absurd. It is all so childish.
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Nice rant. Little content aside from vague generalization constituting ad hominem.

Rejected on that basis.
 
RF667799 said:
Nice rant. Little content aside from vague generalization constituting ad hominem.

Rejected on that basis.
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Thats not a counterpoint, this is not a debate, you prove my point over and over.

You cannot debate this subject without destroying the debate through the rejection of language and logic.

Every single time.
 
mrjurrs said:
Only a fool would claim these are unrelated. I'll try again. Learn something and try again.
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Careful. What does it say about someone that lies about their thread content in their OP title and then doesnt offer anything that addresses the content in the thread title.

Here is the absolute fact. You dont give a shit about ANY of this. None of this shit matters. you DAMN SURE don't give a **** about black lives. YOU thought you had a pathetic little 'gotcha' claim about red states...and the only way you get to your 'gotcha' is by ignoring the fact that the rat cities you support...run by rat politicians YOU keep in power, skew gun violence and gun death rates in EVERY state...red and blue. YOU are the source of the problem. Your rat party is the cancer. And you have no will to address the problem...you are too invested in stupid partisan games than in fixing the problem that YOU ****ed up in the first place.
 
RF667799 said:
I wouldn't mind if it was accompanied with something of substance.
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You destroy the substance by rejecting English. Your argument is totally based on the semantic argument that gun violence does not exist. The conversation can go nowhere when you refuse to use English. Thats it, it goes no further than that. It is childish and sophomoric, but thats all you guys have. You use whats at hand. Its not my fault.
 
VanceMack said:
Careful. What does it say about someone that lies about their thread content in their OP title and then doesnt offer anything that addresses the content in the thread title.

Here is the absolute fact. You dont give a shit about ANY of this. None of this shit matters. you DAMN SURE don't give a **** about black lives. YOU thought you had a pathetic little 'gotcha' claim about red states...and the only way you get to your 'gotcha' is by ignoring the fact that the rat cities you support...run by rat politicians YOU keep in power, skew gun violence and gun death rates in EVERY state...red and blue. YOU are the source of the problem. Your rat party is the cancer. And you have no will to address the problem...you are too invested in stupid partisan games than in fixing the problem that YOU ****ed up in the first place.
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Well said
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's always personal with that poster.
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Its not about the persons, it is about your lot refusing to debate by twisting English. Its about your inability to keep the concepts and logic clear, you are simply destroying the game.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You destroy the substance by rejecting English. Your argument is totally based on the semantic argument that gun violence does not exist. The conversation can go nowhere when you refuse to use English. Thats it, it goes no further than that. It is childish and sophomoric, but thats all you guys have. You use whats at hand. Its not my fault.
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Where did I say "gun violence does not exist"? The conversation goes no further until you substantiate your accusation.
 
RF667799 said:
Where did I say "gun violence does not exist"? The conversation goes no further until you substantiate your accusation.
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I said gun violence doesn't exist that's a propaganda term. Guns cannot do violence they're just objects.

I think if people refuse to engage with the propaganda it'll stop.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Thats not a counterpoint, this is not a debate, you prove my point over and over.

You cannot debate this subject without destroying the debate through the rejection of language and logic.

Every single time.
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Your post was as I described.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I said gun violence doesn't exist that's a propaganda term. Guns cannot do violence they're just objects.

I think if people refuse to engage with the propaganda it'll stop.
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It is a term of agit prop, but I'll let them use it if they can explain how it makes sense, and why they use it so selectively.
 
RF667799 said:
Where did I say "gun violence does not exist"? The conversation goes no further until you substantiate your accusation.
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You just keep looping the same loop, it is total nonsense. You are now engaging in denial of the denial, literally doubling down, and you act as if the audience doesn't remember. I'm the audience, if you don't have the integrity to engage in honest debate, then accept the point.....you don't debate, this is all just infantile time wasting.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You just keep looping the same loop, it is total nonsense. You are now engaging in denial of the denial, literally doubling down, and you act as if the audience doesn't remember. I'm the audience, if you don't have the integrity to engage in honest debate, then accept the point.....you don't debate, this is all just infantile time wasting.
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Hmmm.

Your support for your accusation is missing. I guess we'll have to assume it was a lie.

Your post is rejected on that basis.
 
RF667799 said:
your accusation
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Your rejection of the term "gun violence" is a fact that is contained on this page, I don't have to prove what you already posted. This is the primary example of how you cannot engage in any sort of debate, your argument is as always dishonest making debate impossible.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Your rejection of the term "gun violence" is a fact that is contained on this page, I don't have to prove what you already posted. This is the primary example of how you cannot engage in any sort of debate, your argument is as always dishonest making debate impossible.
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Just quote me saying what you claimed I said. Very simple, but apparently very difficult for you to do.
 
rahl said:
Reality doesn’t care how you feel. Firearms are completely irrelevant to suicide rates. As well as homicide and violent crime rates.
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Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them.
 
CLAX1911 said:
It's the incompetence. I don't pretend you're incompetent you proved it.

Not by any measure of what common sense is.

I don't think the government should be allowed to interfere with our rights without due process. Giving them cart Blanche just to take away your constitutional rights is a reckless insane idea.
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Legislation is the first step in due process.
 
VanceMack said:
Careful. What does it say about someone that lies about their thread content in their OP title and then doesnt offer anything that addresses the content in the thread title.

Here is the absolute fact. You dont give a shit about ANY of this. None of this shit matters. you DAMN SURE don't give a **** about black lives. YOU thought you had a pathetic little 'gotcha' claim about red states...and the only way you get to your 'gotcha' is by ignoring the fact that the rat cities you support...run by rat politicians YOU keep in power, skew gun violence and gun death rates in EVERY state...red and blue. YOU are the source of the problem. Your rat party is the cancer. And you have no will to address the problem...you are too invested in stupid partisan games than in fixing the problem that YOU ****ed up in the first place.
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You don't have a clue about what this thread is about.

Enumerate the lie you claim I've made or stfu.
 
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