Can we all agree that the efforts Democrats make to reduce gun violence will benefit red states more than blue states?

[rahl]

No one made that argument, you just keep reinforcing my point, every argument in this forum gets turned into semantic bs posing as argument, the gun cult is worse that the bible thumpers because they at least stick to a script. You guys have nothing but pee wee herman level crap that can't stand the most minor examination.

You said gun violence. I pointed out there is no such thing, as inanimate objects can’t commit any act of any kind.

Its all so ****ing sophomoric.

I’m sorry that you fall into the same hilarious baby talk stupidity that all gun banners are forced into.

 

[CLAX1911]

flummoxed by word order.

I just don't respect the baby talk.

I didn't bring it up, but report it if you must. I even went to the trouble of reminding you of the entire discussion. So far you have managed to use "poverty" incorrectly to the context, then you complain I'm the one talking about it, when both you and the other guy are talking about it. I just can't imagine how you are able to miss and forget all that in a matter of minutes.

amazing.

Maybe I don't read most of your posts because it's just trash.

 

[MAGAnificent]

ooh, this is even better....gun violence causes poverty.

Work on your reading comprehension. Institutionalized poverty causes and contributes to gun violence.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Work on your reading comprehension. Institutionalized poverty causes and contributes to gun violence.

God I love this place, Clax assumes your argument, then you assume Clax's argument, and you have all taken each other's argument and twisted them into meaningless bs without any sort basis, any words written of your own to back whatever blurt you just expelled. Its worse than party-line conversations where by the last line the subject has been lost. There is a thread about whether it is possible to have rational gun debates, the answer is no and this thread is just another example.

I already said that the crime of gun violence (that your compatriots can't say without stuttering) is, like most crime, correlated to poverty and the level of its intensity. You have not gotten anywhere with your point, which was that LBJ's Great Society caused greater levels of poverty. It didn't, it reduced poverty. Your compatriots don't even want you to discuss poverty or its effects.

 

[MAGAnificent]

God I love this place, Clax assumes your argument, then you assume Clax's argument, and you have all taken each other's argument and twisted them into meaningless bs without any sort basis

It all boils down to your poor reading comprhension.

I already said that the crime of gun violence (that your compatriots can't say without stuttering) is, like most crime, correlated to poverty and the level of its intensity. You have not gotten anywhere with your point, which was that LBJ's Great Society caused greater levels of poverty. It didn't, it reduced poverty.

What you do not seem to want to admit is that in reality LBJs Great Society did absolutely nothing to reduce poverty in the long run. Instead, they institutionalized it with what amounts to permanent handouts.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

It all boils down to your poor reading comprhension.

You can't even spell the word....

What you do not seem to want to admit is that in reality LBJs Great Society did absolutely nothing to reduce poverty in the long run. Instead, they institutionalized it with what amounts to permanent handouts.

Not only do you again arrive empty handed, fact free, you seem to think US welfare hasn't changed since the 1960's. This is all so stupid and pointless, I'm arguing with a guy that has no understanding of the thing he wants to base an argument upon.

 

[mrjurrs]

You are a crack up. Presented with the facts you try to bring up some new completely unrelated argument. I don't blame you. You KNOW how bad you and your rat party is when it comes to creating the devastation and destruction that leads to these deaths.

Run away. Quick.

Only a fool would claim these are unrelated. I'll try again. Learn something and try again.

 

[mrjurrs]

We have already determined that your OP is a lie...has nothing to do with gun violence, and deliberately conflates suicide data with gun violence. On the other hand...thanks for fully exposing just how afraid YOU are to deal with the actual facts and the ACTUAL problem. you are DESPERATE to avoid that....

As for suicide rates...what happened to suicide rates in England after their gun bans? Japan? Australia?

Are you now claiming that suicide by firearm is not gun violence?

tff

 

[mrjurrs]

There are stricter controls in Democratic cities, but with higher gun crime than the rest of the state or country. Example St Louis and Kansas City MO

What we need is stricter enforcement, which is trending that way recently. More gun-involved crimes are being tried by the Feds in St Louis, which comes with much stiffer penalties.


google AI
Here's information on federal gun convictions in the St. Louis federal district, which is the Eastern District of Missouri:

• High Activity: The Eastern District of Missouri (St. Louis) has been noted for its high volume of federal weapons prosecutions and convictions.
• Ranking: In October 2024, the Eastern District of Missouri ranked first nationally for weapons convictions per capita, with 2,390 convictions compared to a national average of 266.6 convictions per ten million people. It held this ranking in the prior year and five years ago as well. In FY 2019, it also had the highest number of weapons prosecutions filed and the highest rate relative to its population size.
• Common Offenses: The most common offense in federal firearms or explosives cases nationally is possession of a firearm by a prohibited person, accounting for over half of these charges between 2001 and 2023. Another common offense is the use of a firearm in furtherance of a violent or drug-trafficking crime.
• Federal Prosecution Strategy: Federal authorities in St. Louis, including the U.S. Attorney's office, have emphasized prosecuting gun cases as a strategy to address gun violence in the city. In 2018, there was a significant increase in federal gun cases charged.

Results:
AI Google
St louis City violent crime trend

Violent crime, particularly homicides, has been on a significant downward trend in St. Louis City in recent years.
Key findings regarding the trend:

• Overall Crime Decrease: Overall crime in St. Louis was down 15% in 2024 compared to 2023, and down nearly 50% compared to the same period in 2023.
• Homicide Reduction: The city saw 150 homicides in 2024, the lowest number in 11 years, and 40% lower than in 2020. In the first three months of 2025, homicides were at their lowest levels since 2005.
• Other Violent Crimes: Robberies, aggravated assaults, and shooting incidents also saw significant decreases in 2024 and the beginning of 2025.

How many American cities have secure borders? A Californian that lives in the city or in the rural areas is still a Californian. Separating rural and urban firearm deaths is just mental masturbation.

 

[mrjurrs]

So you're not interested in any gun control?

In the context of this thread your question is irrelevant.

Do you consider red flag laws gun control?

 

[mrjurrs]

No.

Are you suggesting that when they happen with ropes, the problem is just too much rope access?

No, I'm stating this.
AI-
In summary, restricting access to firearms, particularly during times of crisis, is a critical component of suicide prevention strategies and has been shown to reduce both firearm suicide rates and overall suicide rates. This is because firearms are a highly lethal method, and most individuals who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide later.

 

[RF667799]

Are you now claiming that suicide by firearm is not gun violence?

tff

Suicide by firearm is not gun violence. Someone who would describe it as such, should also have categories of "rope violence", "motor vehicle violence", "prescription drug violence", "tall building violence", and "bridge violence".

 

[mrjurrs]

If the democrats really wanted to reduce gun violence, they would fix the inner-city poverty problems they created through LBJ's Great Society programs.

The Great Society was working, dramatically dropping poverty rates in America until the thirst for military adventurism sucked up the American budget.

 

[RF667799]

How many American cities have secure borders? A Californian that lives in the city or in the rural areas is still a Californian. Separating rural and urban firearm deaths is just mental masturbation.

Hahahaha! But lumping suicides, murders, and accidents together as if they are alike makes sense. /s

 

[RF667799]

No, I'm stating this.

No you're not.

AI-
In summary, restricting access to firearms, particularly during times of crisis, is a critical component of suicide prevention strategies and has been shown to reduce both firearm suicide rates and overall suicide rates. This is because firearms are a highly lethal method, and most individuals who survive a suicide attempt do not go on to die by suicide later.

 

[mrjurrs]

And typically means there's very violent blue cities in those States.

No there's a party that prevents insane nonsense laws from being passed. Calling insane nonsense common Sense doesn't somehow make it less insane.

Well there's no such thing as a silencer that's in the movies it doesn't real.

So when you talk about laws what are these bugs that you are pretending to be common sense?

And you pretend that because I didn't say suppressor, you act like it isn't a problem. Do you feel that red flag laws are common sense? Or do you group it all under 2nd Amendment protection?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Suicide by firearm is not gun violence. Someone who would describe it as such, should also have categories of "rope violence", "motor vehicle violence", "prescription drug violence", "tall building violence", and "bridge violence".

Erwin Mainway logic.

 

[RF667799]

Erwin Mainway logic.

Nothing of substance to refute me, eh?

 

[L88]

How many American cities have secure borders? A Californian that lives in the city or in the rural areas is still a Californian. Separating rural and urban firearm deaths is just mental masturbation.

So you're saying rural people's enter the city, shoot it up and then go home?

Wow, never heard of that theory.

 

[mrjurrs]

-Red flag laws do nothing existing law doesnt already do. Every state in the country nhas existing laws that authorize citizens that are deemed a threat to harm self or others be taken into custody to the nearest care facility.
-Again...red Flag laws are stupid laws...promoted by stupid politicians, pitched to stupid people that will swallow anything they are told. Pick a state...I guarantee you I can find the law in that state that will do anything a red flag law can do without violating individuals constitutional rights.
-Common sense gun laws involve targeting criminals and locking them away. I support mandatory minimums for violent offenders...I want violent criminals locked up for decades

Don't you?

If incarceration kept us safer, we'd already be the safest country in the world.

Incarceration Rates by Country 2025

Discover population, economy, health, and more with the most comprehensive global statistics at your fingertips.

worldpopulationreview.com

You think red flag laws are stupid?
"Of the estimated 4,970 female victims of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter in 2021, data reported by law enforcement agencies indicate that 34% were killed by an intimate partner (figure 1). By comparison, about 6% of the 17,970 males murdered that year were victims of intimate partner homicide.
Overall, 76% of female murders and 56% of male murders were perpetrated by someone known to the victim. About 16% of female murder victims were killed by a nonintimate family member—parent, grandparent, sibling, in-law, and other family member—compared to 10% of male murder victims.

Female Murder Victims and Victim-Offender Relationship, 2021

bjs.ojp.gov

 

[MAGAnificent]

The Great Society was working, dramatically dropping poverty rates in America until the thirst for military adventurism sucked up the American budget.

BS.

 

[mrjurrs]

Political parties don’t prevent unconstitutional gun laws. The constitution does.

Bump stocks are accessories. So are suppressors. Do you not know what the word accessory means?

Yes, firearm accessories alter the firearm. What is the recreational purpose of them?

Red flag laws are just one gun law that is not unconstitutional.

 

[mrjurrs]

There’s no such thing as gun violence. Guns are inanimate objects and can’t commit any act.

Red flag laws, in addition to being unconstitutional, have no effect on homicide rates.

Support has no relevance to the unconstitutionality of red flag laws.

What common sense laws are you referring to?

As near as I can tell, your reply is all opinions, and opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. Source your claims.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Nothing of substance to refute me, eh?

Your absurd levels of illogic require no refutation. No one can have discussion with people that completely abandon the logic within language. This constant Greek chorus of "gun violence does not exist" is all just a way to escape from reality via the misuse of language and logic. A cause is always extreme when it refuses to uses common language and logic.

 

[rahl]

Yes, firearm accessories alter the firearm. What is the recreational purpose of them?

Whatever the user wants to use it for.

Red flag laws are just one gun law that is not unconstitutional.

Of course they are unconstitutional.