Can trans-genders cash in on set asides?

[countryboy]

Do a handstand

It was a serious question.

 

[yankintx]

Fashion and womanly attire is not a requisite for declared gender identity. Neither is shaving. I've seen people on this site making statements that unless you did a package check you wouldn't know someone was transgendered or not and then they offer glamor shots of trans individuals that have had extensive work done to physically alter their appearance. Reality is....those are not representative of all or even most trans individuals. Most are 'unpretty'. Not the kind of people you want following your granddaughter into a bathroom. And that's 'real' trans individuals and not those that would exploit the ridiculous new laws and put children at risk.

I can see public toilets going to individual units, similar to most disabled access public toilets, seems like a partial solution, though expensive for business owners.

 

[TheGoverness]

It was a serious question.

I don't really have a solution to present to you. But I'd agree with what Chomsky said earlier.

 

[Chomsky]

Search your feelings pants, old Chomsky. There's at least a 96% chance that you can determine your gender that way.

Thanks! Then in that case, it appears I'm "well gendered"! :lamo

 

[Chomsky]

But, under the same premises, this is bigoted to the other classifications. The point he made stands.

Alrighty then, how do you propose to have these individuals qualify for their set-asides?

What's your solution?

(and pls note - I'm attempting to assist them in qualifying)

 

[Chomsky]

So you are feeling artistic painting flowers and the next instant solving mathematical equations?

Yeah, and then I eventually meet in the middle and computer generate fractals!

 

[yankintx]

Thanks! Then in that case, it appears I'm "well gendered"! :lamo

Well in the gay clubs, there would be lots of volunteers for pecker checker duty lol

 

[Fishking]

Alrighty then, how do you propose to have these individuals qualify for their set-asides?

What's your solution?

(and pls note - I'm attempting to assist them in qualifying)

What I posted previously. Cancel all sexist and racist government-backed programs as being a violation of the equal protection clause. Then have private non-profs and institutions figure how they want to handle it themselves.

 

[Chomsky]

Here you go brother...I mean sister....'find' yourself.

Agender
Androgyne
Androgynous
Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
Cis Man
Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
FTM
Gender Fluid
Gender Nonconforming
Gender Questioning
Gender Variant
Genderqueer
Intersex
Male to Female
MTF
Neither
Neutrois
Non-binary
Other
Pangender
Trans
Trans*
Trans Female
Trans* Female
Trans Male
Trans* Male
Trans Man
Trans* Man
Trans Person
Trans* Person
Trans Woman
Trans* Woman
Transfeminine
Transgender
Transgender Female
Transgender Male
Transgender Man
Transgender Person
Transgender Woman
Transmasculine
Transsexual
Transsexual Female
Transsexual Male
Transsexual Man
Transsexual Person
Transsexual Woman
Two-Spirit


And thats providing your confusion might be related to your gender. You sure you arent a cat? Or maybe a snow leopard? Or a displaced gnome? Dont worry...we wont judge you. Hell...I cant judge you...I'm a polar bear.

I can't relate to any of those, sexually.

The category "makes John Holmes cringe with the embarrassment of inferiority", seems to be missing! :2razz:

 

[Chomsky]

Let me correct the list:

man
woman

Done.

It works for me - but then I'm easy that way!

 

[Your Star]

Perhaps trans people don't, but scammers very well may (if it's easy enough).

I think you misunderstood my point.

The level of paperwork and commitment to trying to fraudulently get a loan like this is not something someone is going to try. You have to go through therapy sessions and go through the physical process of transition to get gender marker's changed on your documents. No one is going to do that to get a loan.

 

[TheGoverness]

The level of paperwork and commitment to trying to fraudulently get a loan like this is not something someone is going to try. You have to go through therapy sessions and go through the physical process of transition to get gender marker's changed on your documents. No one is going to do that to get a loan.

Unless they're desperate for $$$.

 

[Bodi]

The level of paperwork and commitment to trying to fraudulently get a loan like this is not something someone is going to try. You have to go through therapy sessions and go through the physical process of transition to get gender marker's changed on your documents. No one is going to do that to get a loan.

Sure some will try... hell, some people eat other people, this is nothing compared to that.

 

[Your Star]

Unless they're desperate for $$$.

There are other avenues for money.

 

[Your Star]

Sure some will try... hell, some people eat other people, this is nothing compared to that.

No they won't.

 

[TheGoverness]

There are other avenues for money.

"Back alley" avenues? [emoji12]

 

[Bodi]

No they won't.

Not one? You are speaking absolutely about every single one of them?

 

[Bodi]

There are other avenues for money.

There are other ways to get food too, but that doesn't stop some people from eating other people... see how easy it was to defeat your argument?

 

[Your Star]

Not one? You are speaking absolutely about every single one of them?

Who?
..

 

[Fishking]

I went to Target the other day with my four daughters 10 years and younger. My wife took the three older ones into the bathroom and I didn't fear for their safety while simultaneously being a conservative Christian. I also am not what you would call an LGBT ally. I just don't have any personal bigotry to mix in with my religious beliefs. I'm far from perfect so why should I be so hateful against others?

 

[TheGoverness]

I went to Target the other day with my four daughters 10 years and younger. My wife took the three older ones into the bathroom and I didn't fear for their safety while simultaneously being a conservative Christian. I also am not what you would call an LGBT ally. I just don't have any personal bigotry to mix in with my religious beliefs. I'm far from perfect so why should I be so hateful against others?

That's something that I can agree with.
^-^

 

[Bodi]

Who?
..

What?

 

[Chomsky]

The level of paperwork and commitment to trying to fraudulently get a loan like this is not something someone is going to try. You have to go through therapy sessions and go through the physical process of transition to get gender marker's changed on your documents. No one is going to do that to get a loan.

To the bolded:

See, now that's exactly what I was getting at:

Firstly, as long as there are gender based set-asides, there will need to be a way to legally prove gender to qualify.

So then, some process like going through state required/approved counseling or evaluation sessions, along with some prescribed medical transition or medical approval, and some minimum time period, sounds reasonable to me. The whole idea is that there needs to be a legal process available that requires some time and dedication.

But is what I bolded above, always required? I have no knowledge of this, and we're seeing claims in threads here to the contrary, including that of individuals simply self-proclaiming their gender switch.

 

[Fishking]

That's something that I can agree with.
^-^

Honestly, and you can probably tell this. I'm a lot more angsty with liberal ideology / hypocritical social justice warriors than with any of these marginalized groups.

 

[Bodi]

I went to Target the other day with my four daughters 10 years and younger. My wife took the three older ones into the bathroom and I didn't fear for their safety while simultaneously being a conservative Christian. I also am not what you would call an LGBT ally. I just don't have any personal bigotry to mix in with my religious beliefs. I'm far from perfect so why should I be so hateful against others?

But you would have been fearful had you actually seen a transgender going into the bathroom with them... right? It is a healthy and normal feeling.