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Can trans-genders cash in on set asides?

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Another poster mentioned Woman-Owned Small Business benefits. Are those going to be available to the gender-fluid? To heck with bathrooms. That's one of cool things about leftism, their initiatives come back and bite 'em right in the butt. It would be fun to watch this tran-genderism short-circuit a socialist giveaway boondoggle. Guys, if you want to protest gender-neutral bathrooms, just piss on the toilet seat.
 

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Another poster mentioned Woman-Owned Small Business benefits. Are those going to be available to the gender-fluid? To heck with bathrooms. That's one of cool things about leftism, their initiatives come back and bite 'em right in the butt. It would be fun to watch this tran-genderism short-circuit a socialist giveaway boondoggle. Guys, if you want to protest gender-neutral bathrooms, just piss on the toilet seat.

Does this post make sense to anyone else?
 

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Another poster mentioned Woman-Owned Small Business benefits. Are those going to be available to the gender-fluid? To heck with bathrooms. That's one of cool things about leftism, their initiatives come back and bite 'em right in the butt. It would be fun to watch this tran-genderism short-circuit a socialist giveaway boondoggle. Guys, if you want to protest gender-neutral bathrooms, just piss on the toilet seat.
You know, you bring-up an interesting question.

I say yes if they fully legalize their gender identity appropriately.

But this brings-up my contention that this new transgender identity changing needs to be regulated in a way that it's a serious and lasting legal change, with a great deal of work, effort, and other requirements, physical and otherwise. It needs to be more than "Right now I feel like a girl, but next week I might not"!
 

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Does this post make sense to anyone else?

Yes, the OP is asking if a person claiming to be a transgender can take advantage of set asides for women. There are grants, loans, and other programs that are specifically for women. Just as there are for minorities. Can a white person claim to be black to get a minority business status from the government? Can a man say that he is a woman to get minority owned business status as a woman?
 

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Does this post make sense to anyone else?
Besides his couching it in unflattering and partisan terms, I believe it does.

He's essentially asking if guys can scam minority preferences by presenting themselves as a women.

In my city, this is a big deal to land city contracts.
 

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Besides his couching it in unflattering and partisan terms, I believe it does.

He's essentially asking if guys can scam minority preferences by presenting themselves as a women.

In my city, this is a big deal to land city contracts.

This is a major deal in most large cities. What about sports teams? A transgender could dominate when competing against genetic girls.
 

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Besides his couching it in unflattering and partisan terms, I believe it does.

He's essentially asking if guys can scam minority preferences by presenting themselves as a women.

In my city, this is a big deal to land city contracts.

Why is it that when I hear the word scam, I think "Trump"? You know, both Trump and Rodham-Clinton support this trans-gender business. Imagine what is might look like if Donald Trump or Hugh Rodham presented themselves as women for this kind of purpose. It would be in character for either one to try it.
 

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You know, you bring-up an interesting question.

I say yes if they fully legalize their gender identity appropriately.

But this brings-up my contention that this new transgender identity changing needs to be regulated in a way that it's a serious and lasting legal change, with a great deal of work, effort, and other requirements, physical and otherwise. It needs to be more than "Right now I feel like a girl, but next week I might not"!

This is such a strawman. Trans people just don't do this, and laws protecting trans people don't allow for that.
 

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This is a major deal in most large cities. What about sports teams? A transgender could dominate when competing against genetic girls.
I didn't even think of that!

You know, I'm along for the ride on this because it's the law of the land and I respect the Court & the Constitution; but this is becoming a real mess! :doh
 

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"Right now I feel like a girl, but next week I might not"!

That's not even how trans people work, dude. They don't just fluctuate constantly between what gender they choose to identify as.
 

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leaving aside the fact that trans people trans in either direction, so it would balance out, in order to establish that they were actually transgendered, the person would be required to show a history of therapy, medication, living as the preferred gender for a set time, surgery records. Simply claiming to be so might show they were merely a rightwing arsehole scammer with an agenda.
 

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This is such a strawman. Trans people just don't do this, and laws protecting trans people don't allow for that.
Perhaps trans people don't, but scammers very well may (if it's easy enough).

I think you misunderstood my point.
 

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You know, you bring-up an interesting question.

I say yes if they fully legalize their gender identity appropriately.
But it seems they dont have to do that. They go with their 'feelings'.

What this does is open many opportunities for those who want to use the legal system for profit, just as was done in the pizza cases. In fact this might provide even a better opportunity for lawsuits.
 

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This is such a strawman. Trans people just don't do this, and laws protecting trans people don't allow for that.

Actually the laws do not specify that they are trans. None of them, not even the North Carolina bathroom bill says the word trans in it. It says the gender by which the person identifies. There is no requirement that they even be CD/TS/TG.
 

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That's not even how trans people work, dude. They don't just fluctuate constantly between what gender they choose to identify as.
I was speaking to scammers easily doing this.

But now that were on the subject, yes I think legitimate incidents of legal gender changing should not be easily or quickly done, either. I'd also want the individual to be of legal age as well.
 

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leaving aside the fact that trans people trans in either direction, so it would balance out, in order to establish that they were actually transgendered, the person would be required to show a history of therapy, medication, living as the preferred gender for a set time, surgery records. Simply claiming to be so might show they were merely a rightwing arsehole scammer with an agenda.

These laws do not say that, at all. There is no requirements like you are posting.
 

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That's not even how trans people work, dude. They don't just fluctuate constantly between what gender they choose to identify as.

Well kiss-me-quick! I have a solution! Hire thousands of government employees to make these determinations. It will be another opportunity for the AFGE union to launder more taxpayer funds directed to the Democrat party.
 

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You know, you bring-up an interesting question.

I say yes if they fully legalize their gender identity appropriately.

But this brings-up my contention that this new transgender identity changing needs to be regulated in a way that it's a serious and lasting legal change, with a great deal of work, effort, and other requirements, physical and otherwise. It needs to be more than "Right now I feel like a girl, but next week I might not"!
Sorry...but in consideration of the 58 (and counting) distinct gender types, expecting someone that is, say...gender fluid or two spirit or gender questioning to formalize a status as to a specific gender regardless of biological sexual identity, would be a horrible burden and not a little bit bigoted. And all of this just to prevent a deserving soul from accessing scholarship or benefit meant for women? Shame.
 

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I was speaking to scammers easily doing this.

But now that were on the subject, yes I think legitimate incidents of legal gender changing should not be easily or quickly done, either. I'd also want the individual to be of legal age as well.
Should transgender people have to like present medical papers or something, so things like that won't happen?
 

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That's not even how trans people work, dude. They don't just fluctuate constantly between what gender they choose to identify as.

Thats very narrow minded of you.

"Gender fluid is a gender identity which refers to a gender which varies over time. A gender fluid person may at any time identify as male, female, neutrois, or any other non-binary identity, or some combination of identities. Their gender can also vary at random or vary in response to different circumstances."
 

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But it seems they dont have to do that. They go with their 'feelings'.

What this does is open many opportunities for those who want to use the legal system for profit, just as was done in the pizza cases. In fact this might provide even a better opportunity for lawsuits.
Well, it's now the law of the land so it has to be respected and implemented.

Which is why I think legal gender changing should require reasonable vetting.
 

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Maybe it is time to eliminate all set asides specifically for women. Solve the whole problem.
 

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Another poster mentioned Woman-Owned Small Business benefits. Are those going to be available to the gender-fluid? To heck with bathrooms. That's one of cool things about leftism, their initiatives come back and bite 'em right in the butt. It would be fun to watch this tran-genderism short-circuit a socialist giveaway boondoggle. Guys, if you want to protest gender-neutral bathrooms, just piss on the toilet seat.

Sorry

Not being a sarcastic ass, though I can be at times lol

I do not understand the post, can you clarify for this old dog?
 

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Well, it's now the law of the land so it has to be respected and implemented.

Which is why I think legal gender changing should require reasonable vetting.
Here's the law in Illinois.

• Restrooms: As a general rule, you can use the restroom consistent with your gender identity. If confronted, you are not obligated to produce identification to prove your gender, and you are protected by public accommodations laws in Illinois.

Transgender « Equality Illinois
 

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Oh Lord

Another bathroom thread, just go already and wipe
 
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