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There are a lot of purposes for "shoot" other than murder. That you are forced to constantly conflate "shoot" and "kill" and toss in descriptions of murders speaks to the weakness of your argument.
You speak of "kill" as if it is intrinsically negative. You equate it with murder. That is simply not true.
It is true a gun can be used for murder, and this is a function of its design.
It is also true that a car can be driven into a tree at 100mph, and this is a function of its design.
But not its purpose. And people need a license to drive a car. I say they should need one to use a gun. This will help ensure mor of the right people have them.
Pro gun folks shoot the bad guys. That's holding their end.
Don't be silly.Doesn't address my post.
The bold isn't even true.
Don't be silly.
And like with a license to drive, if a gun license were to get suspended people would just carry anyway, A license to drive a car doesn’t necessarily do that good of a job making sure the right people drive, as proven by the daily traffic infractions or accidents ranging from minor to fatalities. That said I do support the idea of having a license requirement if you choose to carry a firearm off your personal property. The devil of course is in the details and requirements of obtaining that license.But not its purpose. And people need a license to drive a car. I say they should need one to use a gun. This will help ensure mor of the right people have them.
You're phrasing you question in a very provocative manner.
"Anti-gun rights" lobby ?
You wouldn't call the pro gun lobby the "pro-mass shooting" lobby would you ?
The answer to your question is, of course, yes
Gun control can help prevent (or at least drastically reduce) mass shootings
Having gun control in just part of the country is like have a no pissing rule in part of a swimming pool
There can be no significant gun control unless it applies to the whole country and follows on from a repeal of the 2nd Amendment
QED
The only answer is to ban guns*
*With exemptions previously discussed.
Well very few laws are 'break proof' and no solution will be prefect. Just steps in the right direction seems common sense to me.And like with a license to drive, if a gun license were to get suspended people would just carry anyway, A license to drive a car doesn’t necessarily do that good of a job making sure the right people drive, as proven by the daily traffic infractions or accidents ranging from minor to fatalities. That said I do support the idea of having a license requirement if you choose to carry a firearm off your personal property. The devil of course is in the details and requirements of obtaining that license.
Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?
For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.
Longer waiting periods might've helped.
Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?
.
Do you see how bad the students treat the teachers? Go on YouTube and look up those videos, then see if you agree that arming teachers is a good idea.
Obviously you can ban guns. That doesn’t mean everybody will turn their guns in.
However since guns are illegal honest people will not carry them in public for fear they would be arrested.
...criminals will carry firearms and street crime will increase...
Banning guns will increase crime....
...and attempting to confiscate banned guns could lead to this nation splitting apart.
Several states have strong secession movements at this time...
If the Democrats succeed in their plan to allow the federal government to take over all election laws from the states, this nation will be ruled by one party. The Republican Party will be irrelevant. The Democrats can then pass anything and everything they wish including gun bans and confiscation and changing our nation into a socialist workers paradise. Of course when the happens the Union will break apart like a shattered dish. I can only hope and pray the split will be peaceful and not bloody.
If you don’t think that can happen just remember how fast the USSR broke apart.
well that is a bald faced lie because the overall trend since 1993 is decreasing violent crime while there are at least 60 million more gunsAssumes facts not in evidence. The data shows that more guns = more shootings.
this is coming from someone who tries to cover every single gun thread on the front page with paranoid fear of others owning firearms?Yes, definite paranoia there.
The pro-gun folks can't do anything about it. The anti-gun folks can't do anything about it either.
Nothing will change until the idiots on both sides realize that we have a culture of violence and until we acknowledge that and start putting serious effort into changing our mindset, shootings will continue.
this is coming from someone who tries to cover every single gun thread on the front page with paranoid fear of others owning firearms?
a rational response, if you are worried about being shot, is not trying to disarm the people LEAST likely to harm you (and perhaps turning them into those who MIGHT), but rather being skilled in self defenseNot so much owning them, but using them to shoot others, and one day possibly me.
Read what I wrote - not what you want to argue with. I said nothing about crime. I said shootings. And the places that have more guns have more shootings. Shootings might include accidents, suicides, responses to domestic abuse, etc. Not necessarily things that would raise the crime statistics, though they would be included - but certainly the gunfire injury and fatality statistics.well that is a bald faced lie because the overall trend since 1993 is decreasing violent crime while there are at least 60 million more guns
No, not everyone
Correct
Why will they be more likely to carry guns, when there's less guns out there to face AND guns get increasingly expensive as they become more and more rare ?
Think about it, are you saying there's less motivation to carry a gun now as criminals' victims are better armed ?
Or decrease it...you have absolutely no evidence to base that on
Stop listening to the likes of Alex Jones and try to base your assertion on EVIDENCE
Well the Republican party might want to broaden its appeal and adopt some progressive policies. Take an anti-racist stance, stop spreading fear, be less xenophobic, care for the ordinary people by raising taxes on the rich, cutting military spending and investing in social policies like Medicare - stuff like that. You know, stuff that people might actually want/need.
You obviously don't know about the USSR - now that was an empire and there were REAL separatist movements in the Baltic Republics, The Ukraine, Belarus etc
a rational response, if you are worried about being shot, is not trying to disarm the people LEAST likely to harm you (and perhaps turning them into those who MIGHT), but rather being skilled in self defense
easy-enforce the laws that make being criminal in possession a felony. I really don't believe your motivation is crime control. You spend way too much time trying to post on every thread on this forum concerning guns to suggest crime control is what motivates your posts. You clearly have a hatred of honest people being armed.How can we disarm the ones who seek to harm others, but not the ones who don't ?
There will be plenty of guns available and since honest people are not carrying weapons a cheap Saturday nite special will work just fine. Plenty people with carry permits pack weapons like 9mm Glocks that holds 17 rounds and one in the chamber. Today if a thug points a cheap gun at one of those the good guy might pull his Glock and say, “That‘s not a gun, boy. This is a gun.”
If there is a shortage of firearms for criminals smugglers will be happy to provide plenty.
You question my assertion that if guns are banned crime will increase. Read this summary or read the actual Harvard report at the second link.
The Republican Party needs to learn how to fight....
I was disgusted with the Republican Party for years Especially when they ran RINOs like Romney. The Republican Party establishment was jumping in joy when Trump supposedly lost but if they continue to be wimpy, wimpy, wimpy the future of the Republican Party is bleak...
You ask for one state that has a secession movement And you want evidence. You definitely do have your liberal head buried in the sand. Tessa is one state. There are others.
easy-enforce the laws that make being criminal in possession a felony.
I really don't believe your motivation is crime control. You spend way too much time trying to post on every thread on this forum concerning guns to suggest crime control is what motivates your posts. You clearly have a hatred of honest people being armed.
I'm willing to support such legislation as long I'm still able to buy AR15s after the process.Can the pro gun folks help us prevent mass shootings in any way?
For example, mental health exams might've prevented both the Boulder super market shooting and the guy who killed all those Asian women. Both bought their guns shortly before they went on a rampage.
Longer waiting periods might've helped.
Is the pro gun crowd willing to do anything at all to reduce the problem?
.
I'm willing to support such legislation as long I'm still able to buy AR15s after the process.
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