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Can pro life defend their position

oh no, Gordy never has explained why unborn life has no value ... or why born life has value

I doubt you'll ever see Gordy do that either - its MUCH easier to demand others do it rather than show us what belief/views/facts Gordy hold

watch and see
Why would I have to explain value when I never brought it up, much less make any assertions or arguments of it? It's transparently obvious you're just trying to deflect from explaining it yourself by dishonestly trying to turn it around on me.
 
I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?
Oh the projection there!
and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth
Yes, and I explained why in a rational and logical manner too. Ambiguous assertions like "value" doesn't even enter into the equation.
I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
Why don't you tell us what the value is then, since you're the one assigning value!
 
Why would I have to explain value when I never brought it up, much less make any assertions or arguments of it? It's transparently obvious you're just trying to deflect from explaining it yourself by dishonestly trying to turn it around on me.

you're asked dozens of times, you're completely and utterly hung up on what value of life is .....

and now ? you're deflecting, dodging ... you can't do it can you ? the very think you demand of me is impossible for YOU isn't it ?

1 minute old born baby - is it valuable ? yes or no and why ?
1 minute before birth baby - why does it NOT have the same value ?

can we agree you will NEVER answer the above ?
 
I want 98% of abortions or more to end - but States control their own way now


please, talk down to someone else, you can't do it to me




punishing or responsibility? I'm curious how you justify not allowing people to kill their 1 day old babies if those babies are just too much trouble to have around? Why not allow it ?
1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?
2. No condescension from me. Just facts. You seem to forget the consequences of pregnancy to women.
3. Well in some circumstances I have no problem with parents killing their one day old baby. So….
 
you're asked dozens of times, you're completely and utterly hung up on what value of life is .....

and now ? you're deflecting, dodging ... you can't do it can you ? the very think you demand of me is impossible for YOU isn't it ?

1 minute old born baby - is it valuable ? yes or no and why ?
1 minute before birth baby - why does it NOT have the same value ?

can we agree you will NEVER answer the above ?
I've asked YOU what the value of life is, since YOU are the one asserting value as part of your argument. YOU have NEVER answered the question either. Why should I assign value when that has NEVER been my claim or argument? YOU are the one hung up on value, as YOU keep asserting it, but cannot explain it. I simply ask you what the value is whenever you do bring it up. And you ALWAYS dodge the question.
 
I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?

and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth

I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)
Easy. You've just described the moment of birth.
 
and there we get to the core of all of this - you don't value human life

why not just say it and own it vs dancing around it ?
Specify precisely where I ever said "I dont value human life!" Otherwise, your assertion is a lie! You still haven't explained this value. Your assertion of value amounts to nothing more than saying "life is valuable because I say so." Whivh is exactly what I alluded to.
 
you seem desperate for other people to define the value of human life for you

in fact, everyone here seems to know how valuable human life is (except Gordy) but nobody else wants to explain it - but they demand it of me ? hmmmmm aint that special
No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.

You are the one that brought up value of life .
I am just asking you to explain your own premise.
So again.

So explain why a day old baby is valuable.
Explain its value.
 
No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.

You are the one that brought up value of life .
I am just asking you to explain your own premise.
So again.

So explain why a day old baby is valuable.
Explain its value.
Cue more deflection and emotionalism in 3...2...1.... 😆
 
1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?
it'll be interesting to see the stats in a few years and no, they're not "causing" deaths ... people making choices might lead to deaths though

2. No condescension from me. Just facts. You seem to forget the consequences of pregnancy to women.
and to men, and to the unborn children and to the families .... its almost like sex and pregnancy is a BIG deal and shouldn't be taken lightly isn't it ?

3. Well in some circumstances I have no problem with parents killing their one day old baby. So….

why should you get to decide "circumstances" ? let them all choose
 
I've asked YOU what the value of life is, since YOU are the one asserting value as part of your argument. YOU have NEVER answered the question either. Why should I assign value when that has NEVER been my claim or argument? YOU are the one hung up on value, as YOU keep asserting it, but cannot explain it. I simply ask you what the value is whenever you do bring it up. And you ALWAYS dodge the question.

you define it, stop projecting and demanding and asking and YOU do it
 
Easy. You've just described the moment of birth.

I did yes

why is minutes after birth a baby is so valuable and minutes before its not ? its LITERALLY the same living human being isn't it ?
 
No desperation. The op is about pro life defending their position.

You are the one that brought up value of life .
I am just asking you to explain your own premise.
So again.

So explain why a day old baby is valuable.
Explain its value.

you go first
 
I did yes

why is minutes after birth a baby is so valuable and minutes before its not ? its LITERALLY the same living human being isn't it ?
I already told you.....

BIRTH.
The same human being now free from the mother's body.
 
yes its killing an unborn human life - you're right, we shouldn't have exceptions. I've always tried to find a bridge, compromises, that would allow for rare situations/examples and yet also protect

maybe you're right - we should have no exceptions

Why would you compromise on "murdering baybees?" You cant explain it, you would still back it...you just cant 'type away the hypocrisy' because you know they're not the same as born people and you dont value them the same.

You cant make your argument, so you are just conceding. (y)
 
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you have an inability to value human life, is that what I'm understanding ?? you constantly seek others to define human life for you. Its .... emotional

You cannot articulate the value of human life and all you do now, since your arguments fail (if you even attempt them), is mischaracterize others to hide behind. It's not about "us", it's about the issue.
 
AI Overview


Yes, human life is generally considered valuable. Most societies have laws and moral codes that protect human life, and people often go to great lengths to preserve their own lives and the lives of others.
Some say that human life is of unqualified value, and that it cannot be weighed against any other value. Others say that the value of human life is infinite, and that any part of life is of the same worth as any other.

AI Overview

The statement "human life has no value" is generally considered to be a harmful and ethically problematic viewpoint, as most societies and philosophies recognize the inherent worth and dignity of every human life; it is important to remember that every individual has value, regardless of their circumstances.

"Most societies." Let's run with that. The Constitution (and its interpreter, SCOTUS) does not recognize any rights for the unborn and the majority of Americans support elective abortion (for other than medical reasons.) On a broader scale, we have this:

Article 1​
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.​

So your "appeal to authority" doesnt work. Do you have any legal or moral justification for denying women the much safer medical procedure of abortion? It cant be "because human life has value" because you cant even quantify that and then you were quite willing to sacrifice the unborn in compromises earlier.
 
you seem desperate for other people to define the value of human life for you

in fact, everyone here seems to know how valuable human life is (except Gordy) but nobody else wants to explain it - but they demand it of me ? hmmmmm aint that special

Where's yours? He's been asking you. And you resorted to a canned response...can you not articulate your own views?
 
Abortion is more unpopular than its been in 50 years. You have to admit, pro-life has won bigly in the past 4 years ...

Not true. The abortion rate, which had been dropping every year under RvW, has now started to rise again...it's now higher than during RvW.

And states are voting to KEEP legalized abortion.

You are not a very accurate or astute poster.
 
I'm not stalling for anything - ya'll are so emotional about value of life go ahead, explain why a 1 minute old born baby is so so much more valuable than a 1 minute before birth baby ?

and make no mistake, Gordy is 100% in for abortion at anytime before birth

I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)

If we dont value human life, why would we be emotional about it? ???? 😁

😂😂😂
 
you define it, stop projecting and demanding and asking and YOU do it
Stop with the dishonest debate tactics and deflection! You're the one making assertions or claims of value, so the onus is on YOU to explain or prove it! I'm not making your so called argument for you!
I did yes

why is minutes after birth a baby is so valuable and minutes before its not ? its LITERALLY the same living human being isn't it ?
What makes it valuable in the first place, before or after? What's the value?
 
it'll be interesting to see the stats in a few years and no, they're not "causing" deaths ... people making choices might lead to deaths though


and to men, and to the unborn children and to the families .... its almost like sex and pregnancy is a BIG deal and shouldn't be taken lightly isn't it ?



why should you get to decide "circumstances" ? let them all choose
1well it seems pretty clear they are causing deaths.
“Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.””

Oh wait is this were you say the law didn’t kill her .. it was the DOCTORS CHOICE to obey the law and delay medical care that was necessary?

2. Exactly pregnancy shouldn’t be seen as “ just an inconvenience” and this no one should say abortions are done for “ convenience”

3. Well in these situations . I DO think it should be the families choice.

2
 
I don't think you can logically tell me a 1 minute old born baby is more valuable than it was 1 minute before birth - but I'd like to see you try (Gordy, Luce and others too)

1. Okay but these state laws are potentially causing more abortion , more mothers to die and more infants to die. If you are concerned about life , why would you support such laws?
2. No condescension from me. Just facts. You seem to forget the consequences of pregnancy to women.
3. Well in some circumstances I have no problem with parents killing their one day old baby. So….

He completely disregards that and it's been explained to him many times. He pretends he hasnt because he doesnt value the life of the woman, he doesnt think of her at all. It's not "all" about the unborn.

Inside the woman, the govt cannot protect or act on the unborn without removing her right to consent to her own life and health and bodily autonomy, without violating many of her Const rights. Once born ("outside") the woman, the govt and society can protect or act on the unborn without risking her life, her health, or her rights.​

But over and over, he dishonestly pretends he hasnt seen this ⬆️ before. Nor will he address it.
 
I already told you.....

BIRTH.
The same human being now free from the mother's body.

so before birth its dead ? its not a living human being ? birth is the start of life and thus the start of value - that's your argument ?
 
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