Can anyone offer any Good Reason

[AlbqOwl]

I believe him to be a liar but what I believe personally is not all that important. Nonetheless, 61% of the population believes he is a liar and even 22% of his own base thinks he lies but they don't care.

As far as your statement about him being a "real person", please define real?

I am 72 years old and have been mostly a salesman all my life, meaning that I have probably met and talked to over 100,000 people at least and I have yet to find someone as "fake" as Trump is. He is not like most of the people I know. He reminds me of a salesperson (like myself) but one that is the bad extreme. I met "and" worked with someone very much alike Trump and he was the #1 salesman in the firm and I was #2. I sold truth and he sold lies. He was #1 because he lied every single time he opened his mouth and I was truthful. The product we sold was neither very good nor very bad but he made it sound like it was the absolute best. Many people that bought from him were strongly disappointed because they did not get what they were sold. The people that bought from me were not disappointed because they go what they expected to get.

Please tell me what you consider real? It is the fact that he cusses out people, debases them, takes advantage of women? Is it that he thinks himself the best of the best and that "he alone can get it done"? Or is it that all of his words are extremes (the best, the worst, never before, always)? How many of your own friends are like that? I see him as an anomaly but a negative one. Much like Cancer is.

Real means saying what you think instead of what the poll tested script says you should say.

Real means using colorful, descriptive language, metaphors, and adjectives and having fun with them like ordinary every day people do instead of measuring every word and saying what the people want to hear instead of what you mean.

Real means laying out a vision and game plan and actually trying to accomplish it instead of putting it away on the shelf once elected.

Real means not doing what is considered politically proper or politically expedient but doing what will accomplish the objective regardless of what the haters say.

Real means not making empty promises and being unafraid to try something different than the status quo.

Somebody who does that is 'real' despite what people say about him. And for those of us who think that vision and the objectives put out there as goals are more important than personality, partisanship, or ideology, are with him.

 

[jimbo]

You just pulled a Strawman.

The point you contended, was:



The Senate found they had.

"Collusion" has nothing to do with the point at hand.

Although it seems from your excerpt above, that the possibility of collision is still very much on the table:

Reuters says otherwise. As you say, the issue is still very much on the table. The Senate felt it was necessary to include that disclaimer.

 

[jimbo]

Yes, that oath. He has a duty to protect the citizens.

The oath says that?

While I agree, the oath doesn't say that.

Trump has opened up dialogue with NoKo for the first time in 70 years.

There has been no testing of nukes or delivery systems the past few months.

He served notice to Iran that there would be no more pallet loads of cash to fund nuke testing and funding terrorists.

He has gotten us out the Paris agreement.

In spite of being hampered every step of the way, he hasn't done that badly on the border. I expect that with the recent court decision, visitors from certain suspected terrorist countries will be thoroughly vetted before being allowed entry.

How is he not protecting the citizens?

 

[Chomsky]

Reuters says otherwise. As you say, the issue is still very much on the table. The Senate felt it was necessary to include that disclaimer.

You completely lost me with the bolded, though I agree in general on the rest.

(though I might add that "disclaimers" are included for good reason)

 

[Luckyone]

Real means saying what you think instead of what the poll tested script says you should say.

Real means using colorful, descriptive language, metaphors, and adjectives and having fun with them like ordinary every day people do instead of measuring every word and saying what the people want to hear instead of what you mean.

Real means laying out a vision and game plan and actually trying to accomplish it instead of putting it away on the shelf once elected.

Real means not doing what is considered politically proper or politically expedient but doing what will accomplish the objective regardless of what the haters say.

Real means not making empty promises and being unafraid to try something different than the status quo.

Somebody who does that is 'real' despite what people say about him. And for those of us who think that vision and the objectives put out there as goals are more important than personality, partisanship, or ideology, are with him.

Thanks for your detailed response regarding being real. In your world, you made your point about being real inasmuch as he has an agenda and he followed it. To me being real means being a real person that has morals, principles, respect for others and goes about accomplishing the goals in a positive way.

Bullies are real but they are despicable. Evil people are real and they go about accomplishing their goals of hurting everyone they can. These people are real but they are not people I want ruling my life or living next to me. As such, your definition of real is not what I value. There is something to be said about accomplishing goals the right way or the wrong way. A pirate is real but his goal is to steal everyone's hard earned money.

 

[Praxas]

How is he not protecting the citizens?

You think alienating long time allies and kissing up to brutal dictatorships is protecting the citizens? You think war like rhetoric and divisiveness is protecting the citizens?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Thanks for your detailed response regarding being real. In your world, you made your point about being real inasmuch as he has an agenda and he followed it. To me being real means being a real person that has morals, principles, respect for others and goes about accomplishing the goals in a positive way.

Bullies are real but they are despicable. Evil people are real and they go about accomplishing their goals of hurting everyone they can. These people are real but they are not people I want ruling my life or living next to me. As such, your definition of real is not what I value. There is something to be said about accomplishing goals the right way or the wrong way. A pirate is real but his goal is to steal everyone's hard earned money.

President Trump is neither a bully nor evil. Is he a flawed person, a sinner? Yep. As most if not all of us are. He is a real person like millions of good, hard working people who are also flawed people and sinners are, but the good outweighs the bad overall.

 

[Chomsky]

The oath says that?

While I agree, the oath doesn't say that.

How is he not protecting the citizens?

He is not being transparent. We don't know what he's doing. And he's not trusted.

You seem to be making a legalistic argument here ("can the Pres legally do this"), when the main contention here is, "why should he do this?".

I'm telling you why.

 

[Luckyone]

The oath says that?

While I agree, the oath doesn't say that.

How is he not protecting the citizens?

You question should be "how is he not protecting the WHITE citizens?"

He is not protecting the black, the brown, and the muslim "citizens". In addition, he is not even protecting the basic rights of people in general. How many times has he said someone (like Hillary or football players) should be jailed or fired even though they have been pronounced innocent by our laws or have just stood by the rights given to us by the Constitution. How is he fulfilling his oath of office when he does that?

 

[MrShangles]

Can anyone offer any good reason why Trump should meet with Putin without anyone else of the U.S. in the room?

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[Mycroft]

And he was soundly criticized for it.

Now meeting in this manner, but with both principles being subjects of a federal investigation, it is even more inappropriate. Which is why you're seeing the citizen backlash in this thread & elsewhere.

shrug...

It doesn't matter. Whatever Trump does will be "soundly criticized". That's just the way the Trump haters roll.

 

[Luckyone]

President Trump is neither a bully nor evil. Is he a flawed person, a sinner? Yep. As most if not all of us are. He is a real person like millions of good, hard working people who are also flawed people and sinners are, but the good outweighs the bad overall.

"The good outweighs the bad overall". There I disagree with you 100%. The good is mostly economic but the bad affects the well being of people emotionally and emotions are more important as they are the ones that give us reasons to do anything. Greed destroys the person. Positive emotions uplift. Trump is all about greed and none about morals.

As such, he is doing hurting us more than helping us. The fact you don't see it or give it any importance speaks volumes about what drives you personally...........greed.

 

[Mycroft]

He is not being transparent. We don't know what he's doing. And he's not trusted.

Why does this bother you? Nobody knew what Obama was doing...until he did it. And then everyone just said, "Oh well..."

 

[jimbo]

You completely lost me with the bolded, though I agree in general on the rest.

(though I might add that "disclaimers" are included for good reason)

I posted the pertinent excerpt from Reuters. I think I missed it in my original post.

"Neither the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which reported the intelligence agencies’ findings in January 2017, nor the Senate committee has concluded that Trump’s campaign or aides colluded with Russia.

The committee is still investigating any possible collusion, interviewing witnesses and collecting evidence, officials said."

From Reuters. Somehow this has translated into Russia and Putin got President Trump elected.

 

[Luckyone]

shrug...

It doesn't matter. Whatever Trump does will be "soundly criticized". That's just the way the Trump haters roll.

Since when does anyone stop talking about pain. It is not about being Trump "haters" but about the fact that Trump brings constant pain to our morals, principles, ethics and everything our parents and are forefathers thought important.

Trump is beginning to trample on our Constitution. Should we be quiet?

 

[Chomsky]

shrug...

It doesn't matter. Whatever Trump does will be "soundly criticized". That's just the way the Trump haters roll.

There will always be some segment of detractors of any President.

But besides through his demeanor and attitude, Trump has seemingly made a conscious decision to exclusively pander to his political base, rather than try to unite the country and represent the larger band of the citizenry.

In fact, in my opinion his political strategy is to divide the country and pit Americans against each other.

I feel confident in predicting that as long as he continues in the manner, the country will be in a state of unrest. Why wouldn't it?

 

[Chomsky]

Why does this bother you? Nobody knew what Obama was doing...until he did it. And then everyone just said, "Oh well..."

Trump & Putin are under federal investigation for election meddling.

Yes, I am very concerned when they meet privately with no record. I humbly submit that you should be concerned, too.

 

[Chomsky]

I posted the pertinent excerpt from Reuters. I think I missed it in my original post.

"Neither the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which reported the intelligence agencies’ findings in January 2017, nor the Senate committee has concluded that Trump’s campaign or aides colluded with Russia.

The committee is still investigating any possible collusion, interviewing witnesses and collecting evidence, officials said."

From Reuters. Somehow this has translated into Russia and Putin got President Trump elected.

Okay, thanks for the reply.

But as I stated earlier, the point in contention was whether the Ruskies helped Trump, not whether Trump colluded, or whether the interference was a successful attempt in getting Trump in office. Those last two are separate issues.

But it does seem we agree on the first basic point.

 

[Mycroft]

Since when does anyone stop talking about pain. It is not about being Trump "haters" but about the fact that Trump brings constant pain to our morals, principles, ethics and everything our parents and are forefathers thought important.

Trump is beginning to trample on our Constitution. Should we be quiet?

LOL!!





Such hyperbole!!

 

[Mycroft]

There will always be some segment of detractors of any President.

But besides through his demeanor and attitude, Trump has seemingly made a conscious decision to exclusively pander to his political base, rather than try to unite the country and represent the larger band of the citizenry.

In fact, in my opinion his political strategy is to divide the country and pit Americans against each other.

I feel confident in predicting that as long as he continues in the manner, the country will be in a state of unrest. Why wouldn't it?

All Presidents pander to their political base. No President unites the country.

Our country will be in a state of unrest until such time as the haters stop hating.

 

[Captain America]

President Trump is neither a bully nor evil. Is he a flawed person, a sinner? Yep. As most if not all of us are. He is a real person like millions of good, hard working people who are also flawed people and sinners are, but the good outweighs the bad overall.

Evil seems to be a matter of perception these days. For example, anyone that disagrees with Trump, or the ideology of the hard-right white conservative, is an "evil librul." That being said, the word evil really has no bearing anymore as people's perception is all over the board as to what actually constitutes evil. I think he is evil. But you might think I'm evil for thinking he is evil.

But a bully? Trump IS a bully. That's what turns a lot of his supporters on. That's what they like about him.

Trump is a bully. Hands-down. No doubt about it. No way to spin it or make excuses for it.

I hate bullies. I hated them in grade school. I hated them in high school. I hated them in the military. Bullies suck. And Trump is a bully. Not even debatable. Case closed.

 

[Chomsky]

Since when does anyone stop talking about pain. It is not about being Trump "haters" but about the fact that Trump brings constant pain to our morals, principles, ethics and everything our parents and are forefathers thought important.

Trump is beginning to trample on our Constitution. Should we be quiet?

This, exactly.

This is not about 'sour grapes' over an election, as some Trump supporters would like to Strawman.

Rather, it's about the degradation of ethics & morals, the stature of the Presidency, and indeed America's leadership position in the world itself.

All we need to do is look at the conficated children, and Trump's love of Scott Pruitt. Both are contemporaneous activities, that have nothing to do with November of 2016.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sure; because any joke two adult males might share would be leaked to the NYT as Trump and Putin have declared war against the rest of the world.

Perhaps not militarily, but yeah...they already have...some time ago.

 

[Chomsky]

President Trump is neither a bully nor evil. Is he a flawed person, a sinner? Yep. As most if not all of us are. He is a real person like millions of good, hard working people who are also flawed people and sinners are, but the good outweighs the bad overall.

"Good people" would never do what he did to those children! :doh

Nor do good people lie & con continuously, threaten violence, cheat on their wives in many multiple instances, and demean women.

You're setting your bar for "good people" in the gutter here, Owl. Really in the gutter. I would never in my wildest imagination call a guy like Trump a "good man", nor would I ever associate with someone like him.

Perhaps the biggest problem for those of us that can't stand Trump, is with he & his followers lowering the country's values to the gutter. Trump will eventually be gone, but many of us worry we will never get our values back.

We're being turned into the very ****hole that Trump claims of other 3rd world nations, except ours is that of a moral ****hole, devoid of ethics, dignity, and self-respect.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Are you saying no American President has ever met privately with another national leader?

You DO realize of course, that Russian state news media won't be excluded, only ours.
If you don't find that disturbing, then you also didn't see anything wrong with that when it happened the first time, when our news media was kicked out of the White House and Russian press was allowed to remain.
I suppose that didn't disturb you either.