Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

[humbolt]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Or, I'm actually paying attention to the situation.

Maybe, but certainly selectively ignoring that which doesn't suit you.

Except for the numerous items I cited, which isn't even an exhaustive list of the issues.

All of which were very weak - more like wispy wishes, actually.

Why gosh, I don't know. Maybe it's because:

• She didn't hire a campaign manager who is involved in shady deals with pro-Putin Ukrainian politicians

And here I thought you were paying attention. You haven't checked out the Podesta family. They were dealing directly with Russians.

• She didn't have a campaign staffer who was working for RT, or doing business deals with Russians

The campaign staffer doing that is as above. Also, the Clintons did their own deals with Russians in exchange for over 30 million in Clinton Foundation donations and generous speaking fees for Bill.

• She hasn't done millions of dollars of real estate deals with Russians who are close to Putin

Only because the Clintons lack the wealth to play in that league.

1) There was no investigation of the Clinton Foundation, as you claimed.

I believe there still is, in the NY FBI. You probably have heard about it, what with paying attention and all.

2) There was no official acknowledgement of FBI investigations into Clinton's email until it was over. What happened was the FBI was required to file a court document about it, and that document was released under a FOIA request.

Oh, so now it's "official". We should discount every other statement they make?

3) Comey did not make a public statement about reviewing Weiner's emails. What he did was notify Congress -- who leaked it. Which, of course, they weren't supposed to do.

There isn't anything illegal about Congress announcing investigations. Do you really believe that when Comey sent that letter he expected Congress to sit on it? I'm sorry. Perhaps you're that naive, but I'm not.

From his letter to Congress: ""We don't ordinarily tell Congress about ongoing investigations," Comey told his agents in an email later that day. Nevertheless, he said, "I feel an obligation to do so given that I testified repeatedly in recent months that our investigation was completed."

Except when they do.

4) What Comey did in July was say "We were investigating Clinton's emails; we didn't find anything prosecutable." He didn't reveal any information about active investigations; what he did was say "the investigation is over." And again, he never said anything about any investigations into the Clinton Foundation.

Didn't have to say anything about continuing investigations into the Clinton Foundation. The NY FBI already had.

So again... The FBI does not discuss active investigations. Even if everyone knows there's an active investigation, they don't officially admit or discuss it. Just admitting that there was an investigation into Russian election interference was extraordinary -- as Comey himself admitted.

Again, except when the FBI does say something. Look, you offered a list of reasons that justify an investigation. None of them rise anywhere near the level of the crimes that Hillary Clinton committed. None. Hillary skated on "intent". So if that's the standard of justice we need to hold to, nobody yet has demonstrated that Trump is guilty of so much as jay-walking.

 

[Absentglare]

If you think that is a recusal, could I interest you in one of a nice assortment of bridges?

The investigators beneath her testified before congress to declare, in no uncertain terms, that there was no justification for any indictment.

But thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of whining about Lynch while defending Nunes.

 

[tres borrachos]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Easy. Go to the NSA and have them look up what they have on the Trump transition team and campaign.

Oh, it's that easy. Hi NSA, I'm here from Congress. Show me what the leaker/whistleblower specifically showed to Congressman Nunes.

Yup, easy.

 

[upsideguy]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Why on earth do you want a "mainstream source"?? They are the places that give you your numbered conspiracy talking points. Me...I'd rather use a source that gives facts...like the one I provided.

And yes...I will stack the truth and objectivity of that rag tag bunch of conservative misfits against your mainstream sources any day of the week and be confident I'm getting reliable information instead of something from unnamed sources.

Pretty much sums it up. You hang out on the fringe and you think like people that hang out on the fringe. Just realize, however, that is where you are and don't get frustrated when others do not want to join you there.

As much as you wish to believe that mainstream media is out to get your guy, they do have a degree of journalistic integrity. They have professional standards that include fact checking and collaboration of sources and editors that review the work of their underlyings to be certain facts and sources are checked, something that rag tag Internet sites do not often do. If you can not collaborate the stories you read with more conventional news sources or facts, the chances are that it is not true.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

So nothing special about that info that only you know.

No, just a behind the scenes look at something people may have followed in the news.

 

[jmotivator]

But Nunes claims to be protecting his source(s), so either he's lying or you are mistaken that Schiff can merely demand to see that person and the same documents the secret source showed Nunes. And if it's this simple, why are you the only one pointing out that Schiff is a simple request from seeing EXACTLY what Nunes saw?

Did you miss the part where I said you needed clearance to get the information? Schiff could get it if he wanted, but he would not release the source either.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Pretty much sums it up. You hang out on the fringe and you think like people that hang out on the fringe. Just realize, however, that is where you are and don't get frustrated when others do not want to join you there.

As much as you wish to believe that mainstream media is out to get your guy, they do have a degree of journalistic integrity. They have professional standards that include fact checking and collaboration of sources and editors that review the work of their underlyings to be certain facts and sources are checked, something that rag tag Internet sites do not often do. If you can not collaborate the stories you read with more conventional news sources or facts, the chances are that it is not true.

You know what? Never mind. I just don't have the patience required to deal with this blather...especially when you talk about "collaboration". :doh Go ahead and listen to who you want.

 

[tres borrachos]

The investigators beneath her testified before congress to declare, in no uncertain terms, that there was no justification for any indictment.

But thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of whining about Lynch while defending Nunes.

AlbqOwl, who I do enjoy as a poster, is most definitely not the only one to be doing that, but I honestly don't recall her making posts about Lynch when Lynch was being discussed on this board. Some of the others in here were outraged about Lynch's actions but for some *odd* reason are applauding what Nunes did.

 

[Jack Hays]

Adam Schiff tried hard to play the part of a bipartisan oversight leader, but it was too hard for him. He has reverted to his natural role as a partisan hack.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I don't see how or why he should, given what we currently know. Now, if we find out that he's actually done something, like Congressman Cummings did with the IRS and their targeting of conservative groups (no Dems called for Cummings to withdraw as ranking member of the IRS scandal hearings), then we'll have a completely different scenario, and I will change my mind.

Now, as I've said before, Nunes didn't follow procedure and for that he has apologized, and he's been castigated by the press and others, as he should have. However, procedural screw-ups do not equate a conspiracy to cover-up wrongdoing by the administration, or is it an actual nefarious action by Nunes that would require his removal or recusal.

A lot of this pan banging is being done to say "Don't look at the felonies committed by the previous administration in revealing classified information and violating citizens 4th Amendment rights. Look over hear -- Russia, Russia, Russia."

That said, there's a lot about ties to Russia by people in or previously in the Trump team that makes me sick to my stomach. If it can be proven that Trump coordinated with, or instructed others to coordinate with, or even knew that people were coordinating with Russia to hack the DNC and Hillary's campaign staff, then as I've said on here before, he should be impeached, convicted in the senate, removed from office, and then taken before a Grand Jury for indictment, be charged with federal crimes, tried in federal court, and if convicted... jailed like any other traitor, or better yet, hauled out to the point at the fork of the Anacostia River and the Potomac River at Fort McNair in Washington D.C. and shot by firing squad where Lincoln's assassination conspirators were hung.

What hogwash!


Remember Trey Gowdie? Remember how the Retardicans hounded and hounded on Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...

Now you dismiss harder evidence than that committee ever did and say "he said he was sorry..." it's just pan banging. Then you go off about penalties and assassinations ....

And while you can SAY that means you're totally against corruption, but you're original point was no one should be looking! How the **** do you prtove anything without investigating?

Further, this whining from the Trump camp is nonsense. Clearly they forget who handed Trump the election: The FBI revealing Hillary was "under investigation"

NOW we find out the Republicans were being investigated as well....

If the Republican party wants to save face they will have to investigate this Russian connection with the same zeal, time and effort as was focused on Benghazi, which means another two or three years and face time with Mr. Orange Head with him under oath.

 

[JANFU]

Did you miss the part where I said you needed clearance to get the information? Schiff could get it if he wanted, but he would not release the source either.

Has Nunes shared the document headers with the rest of the Committee?
He did state he wrote them down. IIRC he has not, so how could anyone review the documents he was referring to?

 

[Jack Hays]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

What hogwash!


Remember Trey Gowdie? Remember how the Retardicans hounded and hounded on Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...

Now you dismiss harder evidence than that committee ever did and say "he said he was sorry..." it's just pan banging. Then you go off about penalties and assassinations ....

And while you can SAY that means you're totally against corruption, but you're original point was no one should be looking! How the **** do you prtove anything without investigating?

Further, this whining from the Trump camp is nonsense. Clearly they forget who handed Trump the election: The FBI revealing Hillary was "under investigation"

NOW we find out the Republicans were being investigated as well....

If the Republican party wants to save face they will have to investigate this Russian connection with the same zeal, time and effort as was focused on Benghazi, which means another two or three years and face time with Mr. Orange Head with him under oath.

The DJT team won the election because their plan was more focused and based on sounder analytics than that of HRC. I didn't vote for DJT, but his political mechanics were first rate.

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I wonder why these simple...and obvious...questions are not being asked by members of Congress or by the Mainstream media? Does anybody have any idea?

Media and congressional leadership intentionally skip the obvious questions:

♦ Why don’t the other seven members (of the intel gang of eight) also go look at the same executive intel?

• Why, instead of looking at the same data, does the entire UniParty political apparatus and DC media now seem intent on eliminating Devin Nunes?

• Why doesn’t Adam Schiff, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer or Mark Warner simply go look at the same executive intelligence product?

• Why doesn’t Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell or Richard Burr simply go look at the same executive intelligence product?

• Why doesn’t any member of the DC media ask such brutally obvious questions?

• Why is the DC UniParty both intent on not looking at the intelligence and simultaneously intent on removing Nunes, and getting the investigation removed from the House Intelligence Committee (Nunes/Schiff) and over to the Senate Intelligence Committee (Burr/Warner)?

• What is it about that Executive Office Level Intelligence Product the gang-of-eight are all so desperately afraid of?

• Why would the Senate launch another entire congressional intelligence inquiry, when the head of the Senate Intelligence Committees, Burr and Warner, are desperate NOT to see the intelligence product that causes Nunes such concern?

• What does that say about the intent of a committee when they refuse to even look at the intelligence reports they are supposed to be investigating?

These are all simple questions that hang above the political chaff and countermeasures.

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...rats-refuse-to-review-oversight-intelligence/

 

[Common Sense 1]

Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe



Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R/CA) should immediately recuse himself. Nunes has shattered even any pretense of investigative-independence with his secret White House meetings.

What is actually needed is for Congress to remove itself altogether from an investigative stature (far too much partisanship) and appoint a mutually acceptable non-partisan independent investigator with subpoena power and open hearings on the Hill. The American people deserve to know with certainty whether or not the Trump administration is compromised (kompromat) via Kremlin influence.

Nothing but the 2017 democratic plan: Deny, Dispute, Destroy
The media in another uproar.......

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Not. It was from an episode that aired March 2nd.

Not new news, and not what the right wing fever swamp is painting it as.

Found it. Thanks. I searched on "march 2 msnbc farkas" and you'll never guess what the first hit was ... Hannity from today.
And the first paragraph was ...
"Evelyn Farkas, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, has publicly admitted that that efforts were made to gather intelligence on Donald Trump and his alleged ties to Russia prior to Trump taking office. Farkas made the stunning admission during a March 2nd interview on MSNBC."

You'll probably be a regular Hannity viewer now.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

What hogwash!


Remember Trey Gowdie?

Every time I see Trey Gowdie I cannot help but think if the ever make a movie about the Emmett Till murder he would be perfectly typecast as one of the abductors.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Found it. Thanks. I searched on "march 2 msnbc farkas" and you'll never guess what the first hit was ... Hannity from today.
And the first paragraph was ...
"Evelyn Farkas, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, has publicly admitted that that efforts were made to gather intelligence on Donald Trump and his alleged ties to Russia prior to Trump taking office. Farkas made the stunning admission during a March 2nd interview on MSNBC."

You'll probably be a regular Hannity viewer now.

I was urging my former colleagues, and, and frankly speaking the people on the Hill [Democrat politicians], it was more actually aimed at telling the Hill people, get as much information as you can – get as much intelligence as you can – before President Obama leaves the administration.

Because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior [Obama] people who left; so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy, um, that the Trump folks – if they found out HOW we knew what we knew about their, the Trump staff, dealing with Russians – that they would try to compromise those sources and methods; meaning we no longer have access to that intelligence.

So I became very worried because not enough was coming out into the open and I knew that there was more. We have very good intelligence on Russia; so then I had talked to some of my former colleagues and I knew that they were also trying to help get information to [Democrat politicians].

 

[JasperL]

Did you miss the part where I said you needed clearance to get the information? Schiff could get it if he wanted, but he would not release the source either.

As a Gang of Eight member, Schiff presumably has that clearance (same as Nunes), so why did you point out the obvious?

Also, if Schiff can demand to meet with Nunes' source, and that source is required to show him the same docs, all without a subpoena and over the already forcefully stated objections of the Chair, I'd like some evidence other than mere assertion. Seems NO ONE ELSE, including many with lots of experience dealing directly with this stuff recognize this simple solution, so it seems like BS at this point. :doh

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

What hogwash!


Remember Trey Gowdie? Remember how the Retardicans hounded and hounded on Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi...

Now you dismiss harder evidence than that committee ever did and say "he said he was sorry..." it's just pan banging. Then you go off about penalties and assassinations ....

And while you can SAY that means you're totally against corruption, but you're original point was no one should be looking! How the **** do you prtove anything without investigating?

Further, this whining from the Trump camp is nonsense. Clearly they forget who handed Trump the election: The FBI revealing Hillary was "under investigation"

NOW we find out the Republicans were being investigated as well....

If the Republican party wants to save face they will have to investigate this Russian connection with the same zeal, time and effort as was focused on Benghazi, which means another two or three years and face time with Mr. Orange Head with him under oath.

Hogwash? Then I suggest you line up the hogs for washing. I'm not dismissing anything, and hope that real proof of crimes are found quickly so we can get this crap behind us. I find no joy in what going on, and I want it over. Either throw some people in jail or STFU (not you, the politicians and media) and get on with running the country.

All we have so far is innuendo and conjecture. Let's get the proof and move on. If you read the last paragraph in my post you called hogwash, you would know I'm not giving any-frigging-body a pass or making excuses or dismissing anything. Give me something tangible that's not tangential and we can talk about it.

So far, the only people that I'm aware of that were in cahoots with the Russians were fired when they were found out. If there's more, then let's expose them and get on with it.

BTW, I like Trey Gowdy.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Every time I see Trey Gowdie I cannot help but think if the ever make a movie about the Emmett Till murder he would be perfectly typecast as one of the abductors.

That is one of the most hateful, racist, and just plain asinine things I've read from you - and that's a hard hurdle to cross.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Found it. Thanks. I searched on "march 2 msnbc farkas" and you'll never guess what the first hit was ... Hannity from today.
And the first paragraph was ...
"Evelyn Farkas, the former deputy assistant secretary of defense under Obama, has publicly admitted that that efforts were made to gather intelligence on Donald Trump and his alleged ties to Russia prior to Trump taking office. Farkas made the stunning admission during a March 2nd interview on MSNBC."

You'll probably be a regular Hannity viewer now.

lol.

I've been listening to Hannity for over two decades, and a regular on Hannity's forum since 2004.


The quote is a pile of bull ****. You should know that.

 

[bubbabgone]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

lol.

I've been listening to Hannity for over two decades, and a regular on Hannity's forum since 2004.


The quote is a pile of bull ****. You should know that.

Even the part where he said it was a March 2nd interview? That's why I posted it.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Even the part where he said it was a March 2nd interview? That's why I posted it.

Bark. Tree.

Farkas hasn't been employed by the gov't since long before Trump even won a single primary.

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Uh-huh....remind me again, this is not a conversation about you....and yer special agent jerbs.

It is a conversation about something I know. I realize that you will have a hard time understanding since you never have that experience.

Oh, is that how Nunes did it? He just dropped in!

Kewl.

No, Nunes had a meeting with an NSA official who shared the documents with him. Do you think that nothing occurred between Nunes and the official leading up to the meeting?

Kewl.

So...are you a paid poster then?

LOL. Tell me more about what you think I am supposed to be doing and where you think I am when I post. It makes me laugh.

 

[jmotivator]

As a Gang of Eight member, Schiff presumably has that clearance (same as Nunes), so why did you point out the obvious?

Because you didn't strike me as being well versed in the obvious? Nunes is protecting his source from the press because his source is a career NSA officer who likely lives a quiet life in a DC suburb with his 2.3 children and was doing his job and doesn't need a bunch of mouth breathers knowing his name who think he is guilty of war crimes or some such nonsense.

Also, if Schiff can demand to meet with Nunes' source, and that source is required to show him the same docs, all without a subpoena and over the already forcefully stated objections of the Chair, I'd like some evidence other than mere assertion. Seems NO ONE ELSE, including many with lots of experience dealing directly with this stuff recognize this simple solution, so it seems like BS at this point. :doh

I never said "demand" or "require". He has the authority to ask the SSO of the SCIF to present the log book where Nunes signed in and who his escort/sponsor was. You don't need a subpoena if you have the authority to view the information, which Schiff does. He can then contact the escort/sponsor and request a viewing of the same material.