Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe[W:266]

[Mycroft]

As a Gang of Eight member, Schiff presumably has that clearance (same as Nunes), so why did you point out the obvious?

Also, if Schiff can demand to meet with Nunes' source, and that source is required to show him the same docs, all without a subpoena and over the already forcefully stated objections of the Chair, I'd like some evidence other than mere assertion. Seems NO ONE ELSE, including many with lots of experience dealing directly with this stuff recognize this simple solution, so it seems like BS at this point. :doh

It's really very simple. Schiff doesn't WANT to see the information. If he sees it, he loses the ability to work to get Nunes off the investigation.

 

[slick]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Is that right?
Are you sure?
I think you may be wrong about that.

If you read this from today ...
Former Obama official discloses rush to get intelligence on Trump team | Fox News
It says ...


Sounds current.
Why do you say it's a month old?
She's an MSNBC contributor. Could you be thinking of a different appearance?

It's even worse if it's a month old, nobody listens to MSNBC that's why it hasn't reached
prominence till now. The fact that she left the administration almost 2 years ago reveals that
she knew almost everyone the administration wanted to check up on through surveillance could
be evaluated even you or me. Obama eased the more strict restrictions on surveillance in 2011.
That's a big deal!

 

[Mach]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

I wonder why these simple...and obvious...questions are not being asked by members of Congress or by the Mainstream media? Does anybody have any idea?

Because they are ****ing stupid questions for a worthless opinion propaganda organization, why do you think?
Nunes will NOT reveal his source, and no one can get that information from him unless he reveals it, and others can verify it.

Nunes came out, just like half you forum posters, and made claims to defend Trump (wiretap claims where Trump was shown to be a liar again...).
When asked if anyone, including the other members of the house committee he was supposed to be leading on this, can see it? Nunes refuses.

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) said Tuesday that he’ll never reveal the source behind his claim that members of Donald Trump’s team had indirectly come under surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies.

“We will never reveal sources and methods,” Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said to ABC News’ Mary Bruce on Tuesday.Even other members of the committee, which is investigating Russian interference in the presidential campaign, will not learn how Nunes obtained information he said indicated that key figures close to Trump were monitored by U.S. intelligence, Nunes said.

Devin Nunes Vows To 'Never' Reveal Source Of Surveillance Claims | The Huffington Post

Why did he go get that information without doing it officially?
Why did he not do it as part of the bi-partisan committee he is supposed to be heading as ranking R of the House intelligence?

Of course he's being asked to move aside, he's acting like a white house goon.

 

[JasperL]

Because you didn't strike me as being well versed in the obvious? Nunes is protecting his source from the press because his source is a career NSA officer who likely lives a quiet life in a DC suburb with his 2.3 children and was doing his job and doesn't need a bunch of mouth breathers knowing his name who think he is guilty of war crimes or some such nonsense.

What in the hell does that have to do with your comment, "Did you miss the part where I said you needed clearance to get the information?" I'm afraid it's your gibberish that I'm not well versed in.... :roll:

FWIW, didn't know that the occupation (NSA career officer) of the source was public knowledge. Can you cite that for me?

I never said "demand" or "require". He has the authority to ask the SSO of the SCIF to present the log book where Nunes signed in and who his escort/sponsor was. You don't need a subpoena if you have the authority to view the information, which Schiff does. He can then contact the escort/sponsor and request a viewing of the same material.

But you're avoiding the question. If Nunes wants to protect his source, then it's not clear to me that Schiff can demand to meet that guy, and that guy must show him the exact same documents. And I understand why Schiff might want to milk Nunes' screwup for political purposes, but not why Nunes would go along with it and not tell the world this information that no one but you seems to know which is "Schiff can see it today - everything I saw - all he has to do is take a walk to the WH and ask and someone must recreate my visit document by document!"

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Because they are ****ing stupid questions for a worthless opinion propaganda organization, why do you think?
Nunes will NOT reveal his source, and no one can get that information from him unless he reveals it, and others can verify it.

Nunes came out, just like half you forum posters, and made claims to defend Trump (wiretap claims where Trump was shown to be a liar again...).
When asked if anyone, including the other members of the house committee he was supposed to be leading on this, can see it? Nunes refuses.

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) said Tuesday that he’ll never reveal the source behind his claim that members of Donald Trump’s team had indirectly come under surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies.

“We will never reveal sources and methods,” Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said to ABC News’ Mary Bruce on Tuesday.Even other members of the committee, which is investigating Russian interference in the presidential campaign, will not learn how Nunes obtained information he said indicated that key figures close to Trump were monitored by U.S. intelligence, Nunes said.

Devin Nunes Vows To 'Never' Reveal Source Of Surveillance Claims | The Huffington Post

Why did he go get that information without doing it officially?
Why did he not do it as part of the bi-partisan committee he is supposed to be heading as ranking R of the House intelligence?

Of course he's being asked to move aside, he's acting like a white house goon.

Anyone with the ability to go to the WH SCIF and view classified information being held by the White House...anyone from the gang of eight...can go see the exact same information that Nunes went to see. Nobody needs him to tell him "who his source is". The info is there for the viewing.

Anyway, here are the answers to your questions:

1. He did do it officially. As part of his position as a member of the gang of eight he went to the WH and viewed the information. That's about as official as he can get.

2. The information he viewed would not necessarily be the same information that the WH would have sent to him to share with the rest of the committee since all the other members...except Schiff...are not part of the gang of eight and don't have the same clearances.

Oh...and yes...Nunes will NEVER reveal sources and methods to an ABC news person. BTW, the question asked that he answered that way wasn't about what he found at the SCIF. It was about a person. Try not to confuse the two very different things, eh?

 

[JasperL]

It's really very simple. Schiff doesn't WANT to see the information. If he sees it, he loses the ability to work to get Nunes off the investigation.

OK, and Nunes, and the White House presumably, goes along with this charade because.....why? Has the Deep State threatened him or his family, he might have an "accident" if Nunes doesn't go along with this ruse by the other Gang of Eight republicans and democrats who want him off the investigation, cause it will reveal 47 layers of corruption beneath that Trump has pledged to expose and clean up?

 

[JasperL]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Anyone with the ability to go to the WH SCIF and view classified information being held by the White House...anyone from the gang of eight...can go see the exact same information that Nunes went to see. Nobody needs him to tell him "who his source is". The info is there for the viewing.

OK, the information is "there for the viewing." But what is the information? The question is whether someone in the WH is obligated by law to show e.g. Schiff the exact same documents that Nunes saw on his visit. If not, then saying, "here's the database, guys, there's a million docs here, knock yourself out, it's somewhere in there for your viewing" is one helluva big difference than, "Here are the 27 documents viewed by Nunes during his visit on March...."

And, again, if the strategy by Schiff and other establishment Congressmen is to PURPOSELY fail to review this damning information that Nunes has seen, it's undermined with a 15 second statement by Nunes - "Hey, look, I've given (or have offered etc.) the list of the documents I viewed to Mr. Schiff and the rest of the Gang of Eight. If they don't want to look, that is their choice, but they know exactly which documents I viewed because they have the list. Heck, I will walk with them to the WH at their convenience and we can go through the documents together!"

 

[Mycroft]

OK, and Nunes goes along with this charade because.....why? Has the Deep State threatened him or his family, he might have an "accident" if Nunes doesn't go along with this ruse by the other Gang of Eight republicans and democrats who want him off the investigation, cause it will reveal 47 layers of corruption beneath?

I don't think you have the foggiest what the Deep State is all about and that's why you spout this hyperbole, but I have to ask: What charade do you think Nunes is going along with?

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

OK, the information is there for the viewing. But what is the information? The question is whether someone in the WH is obligated by law to show e.g. Schiff the exact same documents that Nunes saw on his visit. If not, then saying, "here's the database, guys, there's a million docs here, knock yourself out, it's somewhere in there for your viewing" is one helluva big difference than, "Here are the 27 documents viewed by Nunes during his visit on March...."

shrug...

Schiff COULD, you know, just talk to Nunes. But, as I've said, Schiff doesn't WANT to know.

 

[JasperL]

I don't think you have the foggiest what the Deep State is all about and that's why you spout this hyperbole, but I have to ask: What charade do you think Nunes is going along with?

That he's withholding the very damning documents that he viewed in the WH and then briefed Trump about. This refusal to share his information is part of how they're trying to get him off the investigation, so why doesn't Nunes just tell the world that anyone on the Gang of Eight can see it right now - Nunes will walk them through, doc by doc? It would appear to neutralize a huge complaint about Nunes' behavior....

 

[Mycroft]

That he's withholding the very damning documents that he viewed in the WH and then briefed Trump about. This refusal to share his information is part of how they're trying to get him off the investigation, so why doesn't Nunes just tell the world that anyone on the Gang of Eight can see it right now - Nunes will walk them through, doc by doc? It would appear to neutralize a huge complaint about Nunes' behavior....

The Democrats don't WANT to know.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/847087126319640580

Maybe the media should ask Schiff about that, eh?

 

[JasperL]

I don't think you have the foggiest what the Deep State is all about and that's why you spout this hyperbole, but I have to ask: What charade do you think Nunes is going along with?

I spouted that hyperbole because your source, that you appear to agree with, is breathlessly talking about how the "Deep State" wants Nunes off the case.

Protecting Deep State: Republicans and Democrats Refuse To Review Oversight Intelligence…

♦ Obviously Chairman Devin Nunes has placed himself outside the rails of Deep State. ♦ The UniParty now wants him removed. ♦ Nunes has become a risk. ♦ Brutally obvious questions being ignored by media become focus of wider electorate.

It's CT stuff, and pretty unimaginative given how easily Nunes could defeat the "Deep State" with a short press conference, but for some reason Nunes elects to have his reputation battered, and possibly his role as Chairman compromised.

 

[JasperL]

The Democrats don't WANT to know.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/847087126319640580

Maybe the media should ask Schiff about that, eh?

Well, one thing is for sure, if a partisan GOPer says it, it's true!

And you ignored my question, again, because there is no good answer.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

It is a conversation about something I know. I realize that you will have a hard time understanding since you never have (sic) that experience.

Puff puff pass, don't bogart.

No, Nunes had a meeting with an NSA official who shared the documents with him.

Well now, you must be someone very special in Nunes's life, perhaps his lover, because he already said he was not going to tell his colleagues who his source is. So, what kind of a lover is he?

Do you think that nothing occurred between Nunes and the official leading up to the meeting?

Dunno, but I bet you do...huh! Kiss and tell!

Kewl.

Ah, yer flattering ME now!

LOL. Tell me more about what you think I am supposed to be doing and where you think I am when I post. It makes me laugh.

You already said where you are during the day, in a super-secure facility where redirects are not allowed....or it could be yer mom's basement....anything is possible.

 

[jmotivator]

What in the hell does that have to do with your comment, "Did you miss the part where I said you needed clearance to get the information?" I'm afraid it's your gibberish that I'm not well versed in.... :roll:

You were having a hard time understanding how it can be true that Nunes is protecting his source AND that Schiff could find out the source easily. The piece you seem to be missing is that while Schiff can find the source easily, he is bound to not reveal the source as well.

FWIW, didn't know that the occupation (NSA career officer) of the source was public knowledge. Can you cite that for me?

A Bloomberg article where Nunes clarifies the source. They are a career intelligence officer, and from previous interviews it was in the Eisenhower Building, and in his initial press conference he stated that the NSA was cooperating on investigating the leaks. It's public knowledge for those who can put 2 and 2 together and have been following the story.

But you're avoiding the question. If Nunes wants to protect his source, then it's not clear to me that Schiff can demand to meet that guy, and that guy must show him the exact same documents. And I understand why Schiff might want to milk Nunes' screwup for political purposes, but not why Nunes would go along with it and not tell the world this information that no one but you seems to know which is "Schiff can see it today - everything I saw - all he has to do is take a walk to the WH and ask and someone must recreate my visit document by document!"

Well, it is clear, though, and I am not avoiding the question. The secure facility that houses a SCIF, or the SCIF itself if not in a secure facility, keeps a log of everyone who comes and goes and, for visitors, who escorted them. This information is not highly classified but is a need-to-know. Schiff can request the logs any time he wants and get them. But having the logs and knowing the name doesn't mean he can release the name because it is still classified.

Likewise the documentation itself needs to be sanitized by the agency controlling the documents before we can get details beyond what Nunes has stated. It is my opinion that Schiff has now seen the documents in question and hasn't released them for this same reason. He certainly has the ability to see them.

 

[haymarket]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

That is one of the most hateful, racist, and just plain asinine things I've read from you - and that's a hard hurdle to cross.

You don't think Gowdie looks like the kid in DELIVERANCE with the banjo all grown up?

My comments were NOT that Gowdie killed anybody or would kill anybody or was even racist. They were strictly limited to typecasting based on his looks.

But hey - if you can get an attack in on me - go for it. :doh:roll:

 

[jmotivator]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Puff puff pass, don't bogart.

LOL, even your [sic] is incorrect.

Well now, you must be someone very special in Nunes's life, perhaps his lover, because he already said he was not going to tell his colleagues who his source is. So, what kind of a lover is he? Dunno, but I bet you do...huh! Kiss and tell!

No he didn't. He wouldn't NEED to tell the HIC who his source is because it is readily available to them.

Ah, yer flattering ME now!

Mocking.

You already said where you are during the day, in a super-secure facility where redirects are not allowed....or it could be yer mom's basement....anything is possible.

LOL! So tell me again what my schedule is and where I am when I am posting? Tell me what my job function is, and how it is done, and when I can and can't access the internet and from where. The difference between you and me is that I gather a lot of information and draw conclusions, you take a tidbit of information and build a phony narrative.

 

[j-mac]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

But the big difference is we had the GOP heading up investigations into Hillary's emails, non stop for months and months - as you know, they controlled the House and Senate. So it's really not a 'both sides' thing. The equivalent to what we're seeing now would be DWS in charge of a Hillary inquiry.

Or Benghazi...

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[j-mac]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Schiff and the other members of the committee are cleared to see it, and it's part of their job - the investigation.

Schiff is just getting the same **** sandwich he gave during the Hillary investigations. Eat up Adam...

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[bubbabgone]

Re: Calls grow for Nunes to step aside in Russia probe

Bark. Tree.

Farkas hasn't been employed by the gov't since long before Trump even won a single primary.

Not sure what that meant.
Stripping bark off a tree or something?
Is that a sexual metaphor for the unspeakable things you want to do to her because you find her so torpefyingly attractive you can't function unless your desires are satisfied?

Anyway ... back on topic ...
Yeah, she's out of government and she didn't hide that. She also didn't hide that she was still in touch with her old buds, both in and out of government, trying to convince them to retain what they were able to gather about Russia and Trump and to, what, leak it?
Don't forget, she said she was concerned that the related sources and methods could be exposed and that would be bad. What could that mean?

Does that sound more damning to the Trump surveillance denials than anything we know so far about the denials of Russian collusion by Trump?

 

[JasperL]

You were having a hard time understanding how it can be true that Nunes is protecting his source AND that Schiff could find out the source easily. The piece you seem to be missing is that while Schiff can find the source easily, he is bound to not reveal the source as well.

First of all, I never mentioned the source (except to ask how you know he's NSA) because I could not possibly care less who he is. The question and all of my comments were directed at the documents, more specifically the LIST of specific documents Nunes used to make the public allegations last week. And that still has nothing to do with clearance. It's like you typed something, meant something entirely different, and are complaining that I read your words instead of a thought that was in your head but didn't make it onto the page.

A Bloomberg article where Nunes clarifies the source. They are a career intelligence officer, and from previous interviews it was in the Eisenhower Building, and in his initial press conference he stated that the NSA was cooperating on investigating the leaks. It's public knowledge for those who can put 2 and 2 together and have been following the story.

Sounds reasonable I guess.

Well, it is clear, though, and I am not avoiding the question. The secure facility that houses a SCIF, or the SCIF itself if not in a secure facility, keeps a log of everyone who comes and goes and, for visitors, who escorted them. This information is not highly classified but is a need-to-know. Schiff can request the logs any time he wants and get them. But having the logs and knowing the name doesn't mean he can release the name because it is still classified.

Likewise the documentation itself needs to be sanitized by the agency controlling the documents before we can get details beyond what Nunes has stated. It is my opinion that Schiff has now seen the documents in question and hasn't released them for this same reason. He certainly has the ability to see them.

This still makes no sense to me because instead of Nunes getting beat up about keeping the specific list of documents secret, Nunes could have at any point in the past week point out this fact that Schiff can see EXACTLY the small list of what he saw upon request. Heck, Nunes could publicly offer to show them personally to Schiff, and he could have made that offer the same day he briefed Trump. But for some reason Nunes allows everyone to believe that only he has the identifiers for those particular examples of Obama era impropriety, and cannot share that list or the documents until sometime this week or other date in the future. I can't imagine a national security reason for him to do this (the documents really have nothing to do with the source), when 15 seconds in front of a camera and he makes Schiff look like a grandstanding fool.

It also seems bizarre (or unbelievable) that Schiff or any member of the Gang of Eight could, for example, find a log of who accessed documents at that facility, AND require someone to recreate that meeting document by document. I've also looked and can find no support for this assertion.

 

[Cigar]

It's Clear the Administration is stalling and the Truth is going to come out, regardless of want's to believe it or not.

 

[nota bene]

Devin Nunes & Trump Surveillance Investigation -- Time to Step Down as House Intel Committee Chairman | National Review

 

[j-mac]

Devin Nunes & Trump Surveillance Investigation -- Time to Step Down as House Intel Committee Chairman | National Review

Nonsense. Nunes is close to exposing democrat lies and illegal acts. That's why he's getting attacked.

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[haymarket]

Nonsense. Nunes is close to exposing democrat lies and illegal acts. That's why he's getting attacked.

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If sitting on your own thumb for hours on end in your opening hearing on national TV while the other side destroys your own position is close to exposing democrat lies - he sure is doing a fine job of it.