California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

[AGENT J]

Mail in voting opens up the vote to coercion. Learn from history.

still false and can be done with in person voting

 

[Torus34]

Mail in voting opens up the vote to coercion. Learn from history.

"Anecdotes about vote buying and electoral fraud, particularly in the mid to late nineteenth century, are an inescapable, and colorful, part of American political history. As Howard W. Allen and Kate Warren Allen long ago noted:

"Stories of fraudulent election practices color the political history of the United States, and anecdotes about vote buying, the dishonesty of election officials, and the like suggesting the widespread prevalence of election fraud in the American past are an integral part of the lore of American politics".[1]
The world of nineteenth century voting that Burnham described was a world in which voting was a public act, not a private one, a world in which the secret ballot did not exist and in which all voting was accomplished either by depositing a party ticket or, as in the case of Alexandria and Newport, by calling out candidate names.[5]

Vote buying in nineteenth century US elections | Social Logic

sociallogic.iath.virginia.edu

OMG!

The post I responded to was serious! That's even funnier.

Regards, best to you and yours 'n remember the Big 5.

 

[AGENT J]

How can you verify a private vote in a voting booth?

if using coercion or money why is tht needed
how can i verify they wont know i didnt follow there orders and harm me, my family, my business etc

this isnt rocket science . .. you cant makeup one fantasy and then cry foul when another fantasy just as logical is presented because it doesn't fit your dishonest agenda LMAO

reminds me a little kid claiming invincibility while playing and then when the other kid does it the first kid goes no no no no only "I" can do that its pure dishonesty and stupidity

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

It's a no brainer, every state should. But republican run states won't allow it. The more people that vote, they will never win elections again running on the racist, hateful garbage they are doing now. That's why they are fighting so hard to make it harder to vote.

Pandemic, mail in voting, probably the most ever, and there was no fraud found, and a big microscope was on it because republicans were desperate to make voting harder. One of the most secure elections. Proving it was a success.

But anti-democracy Republicans fascists wants to keep power by rigging tthe system and making it harder to vote

 

[Jetboogieman]

I've got a dumb question or two. If you get a mail in ballot and your spouse or partner uses force to cause you to fill it out in a way you would not otherwise choose is that a lawful vote? If your partner fills out your ballot for you and you don't know what's on the ballot is that a legitimate vote? If someone comes by your house and coerces you into signing the affidavit then takes your ballot and fills it out themselves is that a legitimate vote? If you are mentally incompetent due to dementia and your caregiver has you sign the affidavit and then fills out the ballot for you is that a legitimate vote? Without regard to whether or not any of these scenarios actually occur, is there a mechanism by which a mail in ballot would prevent a coerced or uninformed vote to be cast, assuming one believes that a coerced or uninformed vote should be illegal?

You’re right, your questions were really dumb.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

if using coercion or money why is tht needed
how can i verify they wont know i didnt follow there orders and harm me, my family, my business etc

this isnt rocket science . .. you cant makeup one fantasy and then cry foul when another fantasy just as logical is presented because it doesn't fit your dishonest agenda LMAO

reminds me a little kid claiming invincibility while playing and then when the other kid does it the first kid goes no no no no only "I" can do that its pure dishonesty and stupidity

Only "public" voting can be verified. With private poll booths nobody knows how you voted. You can tell someone paying or threatening you that you voted as you were told to but they have no way to verify that and you can in reality vote as you please.

 

[AGENT J]

Only "public" voting can be verified. With private poll booths nobody knows how you voted. You can tell someone paying or threatening you that you voted as you were told to but they have no way to verify that and you can in reality vote as you please.

Says you!!!! how can i verify that? these are corrupt people trying to force by my vote?
you want me to risk myself, my families and or friends, my job, my business because you say so? no thanks

because we all know that fear of ruin, harm and death isnt powerful enough to make somebody vote a certain way

Give it up dude, your claims make no logic sense and are failing left and right hence why they are being mocked

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

nothing you just posted changes the fact you can be coerced and paid in the booth too LMAO

Private voting drastically reduces if not totally eliminates the opportunity for vote buying or coercion. That is painfully obvious and all that really needs said on mail in voting.
Have a good day.

 

[AGENT J]

Private voting drastically reduces if not totally eliminates the opportunity for vote buying or coercion. That is painfully obvious and all that really needs said on mail in voting.

Theres no facts that support your cliam but we get it, you really really want your false narrative to sell, be true and your feelings to matter, they just dont because they are illogical and dishonest

When you make up a hypothetical and fantasy claim about vote-buying or coercion for mail in voting its true, its true its a major concern
When others make up a hypothetical and fantasy claim about vote-buying or coercion for in-person voting . . its not a concern LMAO

yep that perfectly logical and honest /sarcasm

Have a good day.

thanks you already made it great by all your failed claims we exposed

 

[MTAtech]

There is no denying the following.

Mail in voting makes it easy for a third party to coerce and pay for votes. Polling stations with a private voting process safeguards against these tactics.
That is really all that needs to be said about mail in voting.

Merely repeating what you wrote in post #188 doesn't add merit to an idea that had little merit in the first place.

There just isn't any evidence that your contention is a problem in all the places that have mail-in voting that would warrant the downside -- far fewer legitimate voters participating in the franchise.

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

I

Merely repeating what you wrote in post #188 doesn't add merit to an idea that had little merit in the first place.

There just isn't any evidence that your contention is a problem in all the places that have mail-in voting that would warrant the downside -- far fewer legitimate voters participating in the franchise.

Conversely mail in voting virtually guarantees more illegitimate votes that have been bought or coerced. I provided a link earlier to the history of public voting and the resulting corruption of the vote which is why we went to a private vote system. Democrats today want to return to the good ole days where they can buy or coerce votes.


"That theme continues in Glenn Altschuler and Stuart Blumin’s 2001 book Rude Republic which targets Burnham’s image of “the last six decades of the nineteenth century as an era of unprecedented and subsequently unequaled popular interest and participation in partisan political life.”[9] Voting in this era was instead, they argue, devoid of meaning and was but a function of the floss and corruption that surrounded nineteenth century elections. Richard Bensel’s 2004 study of electoral impropriety in 48 contested Congressional elections, largely in Missouri, Pennsylvania , and Kentucky between 1851 and 1868 presents a picture of almost unrelieved drunkenness, voter intimidation, and voters being marched by party organizers to the polls devoid of any understanding of their acts. This view of America’s past elections is the near-antithesis of Burnham’s:

"[t]he American polling place was thus a kind of sorcerer’s workshop in which the minions of opposing parties turned money into whiskey and whiskey into votes. This alchemy transformed the great political interests of the nation, commanded by those with money, into the prevail currency of the democratic masses. Whiskey, it seems, bought as many, and perhaps far more, votes than the planks in party platforms".[10]

 

[MTAtech]

I

Conversely mail in voting virtually guarantees more illegitimate votes that have been bought or coerced. I provided a link earlier to the history of public voting and the resulting corruption of the vote which is why we went to a private vote system. Democrats today want to return to the good ole days where they can buy or coerce votes.


"That theme continues in Glenn Altschuler and Stuart Blumin’s 2001 book Rude Republic which targets Burnham’s image of “the last six decades of the nineteenth century as an era of unprecedented and subsequently unequaled popular interest and participation in partisan political life.”[9] Voting in this era was instead, they argue, devoid of meaning and was but a function of the floss and corruption that surrounded nineteenth century elections. Richard Bensel’s 2004 study of electoral impropriety in 48 contested Congressional elections, largely in Missouri, Pennsylvania , and Kentucky between 1851 and 1868 presents a picture of almost unrelieved drunkenness, voter intimidation, and voters being marched by party organizers to the polls devoid of any understanding of their acts. This view of America’s past elections is the near-antithesis of Burnham’s:

"[t]he American polling place was thus a kind of sorcerer’s workshop in which the minions of opposing parties turned money into whiskey and whiskey into votes. This alchemy transformed the great political interests of the nation, commanded by those with money, into the prevail currency of the democratic masses. Whiskey, it seems, bought as many, and perhaps far more, votes than the planks in party platforms".[10]

Once gain, you merely repeat what you already asserted.

Your links starts off with, "Anecdotes about vote buying and electoral fraud..." Catch that "anecdotes?" Anecdotes aren't data or research. Moreover, it speaks about buying votes and corruption in 19th Century voting. This doesn't help your contention regarding mail-in voting since 19th Century voting was in-person. You really just sank your own ship.

 

[SkyFox76]

Sigh. Focus on the topic maybe? Prior to 2016 - which is what was noted.

I'm not playing hide and seek, but gave some real world examples. Rather than getting defensive and mired in unrelated details, perhaps look to the topic? What is california doing to prevent fraudulent, duplicate, and otherwise invalid registrations from turning into live ballots?

So what this comes down to is you made up some bogus claims about your county regularly removing duplicate and false registrations to suggest that could end up happening in states who use a mail in ballot system. More directly California.

 

[dcsports]

So what this comes down to is you made up some bogus claims about your county regularly removing duplicate and false registrations to suggest that could end up happening in states who use a mail in ballot system. More directly California.

Incorrect. I'll take it you aren't interested in discussing the topic?

 

[SkyFox76]

Thank you for further proving how dishonest and or ignorant f facts you are on this topic LMAO
I love that this triggers you and its all based on your own toical ignorance, its awesome
Please let us know when you can back up any your calims of "drastically increases the chance of fraud", "leaves the door wide open", "1000s of duplicates or false registrations regular removed in your county" because so far you have none

He's not going to back any of it or he would have already. It was simply bs in hopes uninformed people would think ohh my mail in voting is bad!

 

[SkyFox76]

Incorrect. I'll take it you aren't interested in discussing the topic?

I've been discussing the topic. You're the one who brought up the dishonest stuff about Harris county. Saying "incorrect" doesn't change the fact you can't source anything to back your claims. It's clearly nonsense or you would have offered it yesterday.

 

[dcsports]

I've been discussing the topic. You're the one who brought up the dishonest stuff about Harris county. Saying "incorrect" doesn't change the fact you can't source anything to back your claims. It's clearly nonsense or you would have offered it yesterday.

Again, not dishonest. And you are still missing the topic.

 

[SkyFox76]

Again, not dishonest. And you are still missing the topic.

You brought it. Can't back it. Done.

 

[jdog]

Awesome!
Id like every state to do this
Every state should also pass voter ID bills as long as its actually about VOTER ID and outlaw gerrymandering or have it done by multiple outside orgs

all current government accepted IDs should be valid for voting and if one isn't free one needs to be free and made readily available at many places including the polling place.
If the bills were actually based on ID we could have a nationwide vote by mail and voter id laws next year IMO

but for some strange reason so many Voter ID bills
limit early voting
limit mail voting
limit absentee voting
redraw districts
clos and combined polling place
limit days you can vote
outlaw bussing
etc etc . . .why?

California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

California on Monday became the eighth, and by far the largest, U.S. state to make universal distribution of vote-by-mail ballots permanent, a practice that became more widespread during the COVID-19-plagued 2020 election cycle.

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California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

California on Monday became the eighth, and by far the largest, U.S. state to make universal distribution of vote-by-mail ballots permanent, a practice that became more widespread during the COVID-19-plagued 2020 election cycle. The measure requiring mail-in ballots to be routinely sent to...

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The easier you make voting fraud, the more elections you can steal.

 

[SkyFox76]

Nobody knows how you vote when you vote in a private voting booth. At your kitchen table you can be coerced or paid as the perpetrator watches you fill out your ballot.

This is off the charts crazy. Are there gangs going door to door handing out $100 bills to people or what? Because you realize Bobby telling Grandma she better vote for who he says isn't going to make any impact. You do don't you?

 

[AGENT J]

The easier you make voting fraud, the more elections you can steal.

well this doesnt do that in any honest and meaningful way
ans so far history shows the opposite is true, the harder you suppress votes the more elections you can steal

 

[Chainsawmassacre]

Once gain, you merely repeat what you already asserted.

Your links starts off with, "Anecdotes about vote buying and electoral fraud..." Catch that "anecdotes?" Anecdotes aren't data or research. Moreover, it speaks about buying votes and corruption in 19th Century voting. This doesn't help your contention regarding mail-in voting since 19th Century voting was in-person. You really just sank your own ship.

And mail in ballots are filled out in person with the opportunity to be overseen by someone paying or or coercing a certain vote. We went to a secret vote because that led to corruption.

 

[AGENT J]

And mail in ballots are filled out in person with the opportunity to be overseen by someone paying or or coercing a certain vote. We went to a secret vote because that led to corruption.

once again paying or coercing a certain vote can happen with in person voting too LMAO
this fact will never change

 

[Ikari]

Nobody knows how you vote when you vote in a private voting booth. At your kitchen table you can be coerced or paid as the perpetrator watches you fill out your ballot.

When will someone offer to pay me for my vote!!?? Getting ripped off over here.

 

[SkyFox76]

When will someone offer to pay me for my vote!!?? Getting ripped off over here.

You have to keep an eye out for the gang of Uncle Sam's infesting your area. Then put out your "will vote your way for $$" cardboard sign. It's all very discreet.