California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

[Plasmaball]

I don't have any data on whether the scenarios I describe or any other such scenarios actually occur. To the best of my knowledge there has never been such a study as most states are loathe to look into voter intimidation matters. However, if it MIGHT be an issue then it's worth dealing with before the next election.

I'm going to go full blown nutcase here but what if a "civic organization" shows up at a public housing development and demands signed affidavits and ballots from all residents or else they will report the residents as violating policy (such as drugs) that allows them to live there or even threatens their kids?

Believe it or not, in some areas local gangs have a LOT of sway over the local population and may even have a vested interest in a given official getting elected. Mail in ballots allow an opportunity for coercion that is substantially mitigated by in person voting.

I do. I know of one case where the dude signed for his mother or dead spouse.

He was caught. The system works fine and what you speak of is so low its meaningless

 

[AGENT J]

You're asking about something that I don't believe anybody has really looked into. Mail in ballots are a relatively new thing and were gaining in popularity relatively slowly until last year when millions more people voted by mail. We went from something like 30-35% mail in votes to nearly 75% and that kind of change means that additional safeguards are warranted. We spent a lot of time to get in person voting reasonably safe and secure but now half the country is trying to throw those same safeguards out the window in favor of a voting method that has very few safeguards.

why post blatant lies like that
who here is saying throw safeguards out the window and what facts say that mailing has "few" safeguards

 

[Khayembii Communique]

You're asking about something that I don't believe anybody has really looked into. Mail in ballots are a relatively new thing and were gaining in popularity relatively slowly until last year when millions more people voted by mail. We went from something like 30-35% mail in votes to nearly 75% and that kind of change means that additional safeguards are warranted. We spent a lot of time to get in person voting reasonably safe and secure but now half the country is trying to throw those same safeguards out the window in favor of a voting method that has very few safeguards.

Ok so your answer is that you can't link to a single story where this has happened. So in other words you're admitting that your ridiculous "what if" scenario is entirely based on absolutely nothing.

And yet we have voter fraud data that shows that the number of cases of mail voter fraud are extremely small (and usually republicans).

 

[Felis Leo]

How many victims of domestic abuse do you think actually call the cops?

Not nearly enough. But some do. Or they call lawyers like me to get restraining orders against their domestic abusers.

 

[Da Mole]

Why should I bother to go wait in line for hours other than to satisfy your desire to waste other peoples time?

I am busy and I’d rather vote by mail. It also gives me time to research the candidates while I’m looking at the ballot instead of having to just guess at names at the voting booth. I’m guessing you don’t look at anything other than the party.

As if you don't.

 

[highroller]

As if you don't.

You calling me a liar?

 

[dcsports]

If you didn't make them up, where is the evidence? Acceptable thresholds are used to assess risk for everything. This is not a new concept.

Circular reasoning there. I'm asking what would prevent these from resulting in fraud.

 

[dcsports]

Every ballot has a bar code. The "problems" you are whining about have not happened.

OK, starting to get somewhere. What does the barcode do?

 

[dcsports]

zero risk? possible 5 years and 10000 fine for each case at the federal level alone for fraudulent mail voitng?
wow you just keep proving how dishonest and or topically ignorant your posts are LMAO

Yes. Zero risk. Fill out the ballot and drop it in the mail. Minute chance it will be detected, zero that it will be traced back to the person who submitted it.

 

[dcsports]

I'm not finding any reports of "many registrations" being sent to empty lots or shelters. I went back to 2016 and saw Harris County flipped to blue, then I see in 2020 they state the voting was secure. I also found this article:

State Data Show Voter Fraud No Threat To Texas Elections | Houston Public Media

The Texas Attorney General’s Office has prosecuted fewer than 90 cases of voter fraud since 2002, compared to more than 64 million votes cast over the same period.

www.houstonpublicmedia.org

That's the first two in 14 years that actually cast ballots. But not finding anything to back your claims that Harris County regularly removes 1000's of duplicate or false registrations. If it's that bad you'd think google could find at least a handful of hits.

Much further back. Again, with voter ID, many of the issues disappeared.

 

[SkyFox76]

Much further back. Again, with voter ID, many of the issues disappeared.

Okay, I've got no interest in playing hide and seek. Your claims were Harris county regularly removes thousands of duplicates, or false registration. Now you're saying it goes back prior to 2002? You've either got the info or you're just making stuff up.

 

[MTAtech]

Just too damn lazy to show up, in person, with identification to vote. A system that has been secure and successful forever. Working within that scenario I hate food shopping, standing in line at the bank, or waiting in the doctor's office. A trip to the emergency room can be a nightmare and how much fun is it to deal with DMV?
All of these things are inconvenient and just like your mail-in voting scheme should be corrected by a similar stay-at-home system. God forbid any lives are the least bit difficult. I want to stay home in my Barkalounger waiting for everyone to cater to me. LOL

Many people work long hours. Others, for whatever reason, live in areas that have in-person voting lines that take more than eight hours to complete. Why should voters encounter that obstacle when they can mail the ballot in?

 

[MTAtech]

There are lots of questions like that. What if someone just steals the ballot? Or receives one that's not there? Or someone just buys one from a homeless person with a beer?

Mail in ballots have always been more susceptible to fraud than in person voting. People from the left will be the first to point that out when the discussion of voter ID comes up. I haven't heard how any of these "all mail in" systems have worked to address that. Hard to believe it doesn't, at times, turn into an issue of who can harvest the most ballots.

Mail-in Ballots Are Secure, Confidential, and Trustworthy

A Columbia security expert explains why he has confidence in the voting system.

news.columbia.edu

 

[Ikari]

Mail-in Ballots Are Secure, Confidential, and Trustworthy

A Columbia security expert explains why he has confidence in the voting system.

news.columbia.edu

Colorado has run its system for at least 8 years and we haven't seen these failures that anti-voter-turnout supporters think will happen with mail-in systems.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

Awesome!
Id like every state to do this
Every state should also pass voter ID bills as long as its actually about VOTER ID and outlaw gerrymandering or have it done by multiple outside orgs

all current government accepted IDs should be valid for voting and if one isn't free one needs to be free and made readily available at many places including the polling place.
If the bills were actually based on ID we could have a nationwide vote by mail and voter id laws next year IMO

but for some strange reason so many Voter ID bills
limit early voting
limit mail voting
limit absentee voting
redraw districts
clos and combined polling place
limit days you can vote
outlaw bussing
etc etc . . .why?

California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

California on Monday became the eighth, and by far the largest, U.S. state to make universal distribution of vote-by-mail ballots permanent, a practice that became more widespread during the COVID-19-plagued 2020 election cycle.

www.reuters.com

California becomes 8th U.S. state to make universal mail-in ballots permanent

California on Monday became the eighth, and by far the largest, U.S. state to make universal distribution of vote-by-mail ballots permanent, a practice that became more widespread during the COVID-19-plagued 2020 election cycle. The measure requiring mail-in ballots to be routinely sent to...

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That's excellent, mail in ballots should be in all states, Colorado's voting system is very successful and very secure.

 

[Hatuey]

I've got a dumb question or two. If you get a mail in ballot and your spouse or partner uses force to cause you to fill it out in a way you would not otherwise choose is that a lawful vote?

... good to know voting in person will end the blight of abusive relationships, and coercing folks to vote.

So simple.

 

[SkyFox76]

... good to know voting in person will end the blight of abusive relationships, and coercing folks to vote.

So simple.

I'm waiting for the day these fraudsters go as far as to create multiple face masks that they just keep swapping out to keep getting in line and drop off a ballot.

 

[Hatuey]

I'm waiting for the day these fraudsters go as far as to create multiple face masks that they just keep swapping out to keep getting in line and drop off a ballot.

You know who gets mail? Homeless people, that's who, and illegal immigrants at Del Río too!

 

[SkyFox76]

You know who gets mail? Homeless people, that's who, and illegal immigrants at Del Río too!

Mark my words, this is coming to a neighborhood near you!!! Welcome your new neighbors, the Smiths!!! And of course their awesome dog Rufus!!

 

[Hatuey]

Mark my words, this is coming to a neighborhood near you!!! Welcome your new neighbors, the Smiths!!! And of course their awesome dog Rufus!!

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[Torus34]

This poor old country mouse sees no problem with the distribution and use of mail-in ballots as long as a well-designed system of initial registration and periodic up-dates of the registry are in place and are followed.

The process assumes a functional USPS and/or an adequate distribution of drop-off boxes and collections to ensure that ballots arrive at their destinations in a timely manner.

Regards, stay safe 'n well 'n remember the Big 5.

 

[dcsports]

Okay, I've got no interest in playing hide and seek. Your claims were Harris county regularly removes thousands of duplicates, or false registration. Now you're saying it goes back prior to 2002? You've either got the info or you're just making stuff up.

Sigh. Focus on the topic maybe? Prior to 2016 - which is what was noted.

I'm not playing hide and seek, but gave some real world examples. Rather than getting defensive and mired in unrelated details, perhaps look to the topic? What is california doing to prevent fraudulent, duplicate, and otherwise invalid registrations from turning into live ballots?

 

[Da Mole]

You calling me a liar?

That is a noun of your choice, is that how you feel?

 

[dcsports]

Mail-in Ballots Are Secure, Confidential, and Trustworthy

A Columbia security expert explains why he has confidence in the voting system.

news.columbia.edu

That's from Ohio, talking about absentee ballots. Also probably not the best article to support the cause, given that it talks about mail in ballots being less secure and tryiing to bring them 'near' the level of security of in-person voting. He then goes on to say that it's a trade-off, trading ballot security for greater availablity.

 

[dcsports]

Colorado has run its system for at least 8 years and we haven't seen these failures that anti-voter-turnout supporters think will happen with mail-in systems.

What do they do to address the issue?