Dramatically worse? I'm sorry, did the recession turn into a depression last night? Did Osama bin Laden rise from the dead? Did I dream that combat troops left Iraq a year earlier than when Bush wanted to take them out? Did I dream that Obama is pulling back on Afghanistan?
Did I dream that combat troops left Iraq a year earlier than when Bush wanted to take them out?
Housing market continues to tumble
Unemployment still rising
Government spending still increasing
Deficit at record levels
Things are rose aren't they? :roll:
The fact that we are better off in several ways than we were in 2008 completely contradicts that ridiculous assertion.
Moreover to suggest that the things you listed are exclusively the fault of the president is silly.
name two
Dramatically worse? I'm sorry, did the recession turn into a depression last night? Did Osama bin Laden rise from the dead? Did I dream that combat troops left Iraq a year earlier than when Bush wanted to take them out? Did I dream that Obama is pulling back on Afghanistan?
Been there, done that.
Wow, it's a good thing that very, very, very few people here take you seriously anyways.
Herman Cain is an idiot if he really wants all of our nations business to be done via cliff-notes. 3 or four pages isn't enough room, especially with the way legislation is formatted. He'd know that if he had even the slightest clue as to how our government runs.
1. recession not turning into a depression is not an improvement. we still have a recession FAIL
2. how are we any better off now that OBL is dead instead of hiding in a hole? FAIL
3. see my previous post about the deception behind the withdrawal of "combat" troops. FAIL
4. afghanistan, a political ploy. anyone else think the timing of the pull out (just before elections) is a little suspicious? FAIL
like I said, name two.
shovel :ninja:
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I work 2 jobs and have very little time for TV nowadays and when I do watch, it's typically a movie or a sitcom/drama series that I follow. I don't listen to talk radio. I never said that it all started with Obama. Did I miss anything you said that was so patently false that I laughed when I read it?
I'm about as partisan as a pepperoni pizza and a coke. Bush 43's 2nd term was horrible. I disagreed with just about everything he did. The point that we were trying to make is that Obama was going to change things. If he meant change them for the worse, then he has been very successful. Things have gotten dramatically worse under his Presidency and if you can't see that, then maybe you should put down your book and take a walk in the world we live in.
I stopped reading at #1. We've been out of the recession since 2009. That was my point.
Have you any idea just how deep the housing problem is? How many pieces of home mortgages - these credit default swaps - were sold among damned near every major bank not only across this country but AROUND THE WORLD!?! Imagine a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle as a single family home. Then image all 1,000 pieces being sold to damned near any bank that would buy them, pieces merged with mortgage insurance deals - mortgage backed securities - that were then resold to the very banks that made the mortgage loans. Have you even tried to comprehend just how toxic these MBS and CDOs were to our national economy?Housing market continues to tumble
Unemployment has hovered between 8.1% at the low end and 9.3 at the high end. On average, it's been around 9.1% since about March/April 2009. I'd hardly say the unemployment rate is "still rising". I think the highest it's gotten under Obama was 10.3%, but it hasn't gotten any higher than 9.3% since that time - hardly support for you claim that it's "still rising". But nice try.Unemployment still rising
Government spending still increasing
Deficit at record levels
Things are rose aren't they? :roll:
I'm pretty sure those millions of people already know that the recession is over. It's a well known fact.tell that to the millions of people still without work
Alright...
I know I diverged from the thread topic, but I had to respond to the poster in question (who apparently doesn't know just how bad BAD got). But let's bring the thread topic back around, please.
That 3-page bill intruduction Herman Cain proposes as President...I know it's in response to the still false claim pertaining to the size of the PPACA (it's less than 1,800 pages, BTW even if you combine both the PPACA and the Health and Education supplemental bill that was "deemed and passed" out of the Senate), but getting such a tiny bill through Congress just ain't gonna happen. Case and piont: TARP was introduced as only 3-pages by Treasury Secretary Paulson and look at how big it got once Congress got ahold of it?
Dramatically worse? I'm sorry, did the recession turn into a depression last night? Did Osama bin Laden rise from the dead? Did I dream that combat troops left Iraq a year earlier than when Bush wanted to take them out? Did I dream that Obama is pulling back on Afghanistan?
44 percent of Americans believe the economy is worse off under President Obama than when George Bush was in office.
only one-third of Americans believe the country is headed in the right economic direction.
Only 10 percent of Americans believe the unemployment rate will go under five percent in the next 2 years.
Unemployment is currently at 9.1 percent, while the African-American unemployment rate is at record highs slightly over 16 percent.
Here are 20 ways the Economy has gotten worse….
1.The unemployment rate has risen to 9.1% since January 2009 when it was 7.6%
2.The number of “long-term unemployed” in the U.S. is up to 6.2 million. When Obama took office, that number was approximately 2.6 million
3.The average price of a gallon of gas is $3.79, When obama first became president, the average price of a gallon of gasoline in the United States was $1.83.
4.In April 2011, the average U.S. household spent approximately $369 on gasoline compared to $201 in April 2009
5.The cost of a Memorial Day cookout was 29 percent higher this year than last year
6.Today there are more than 44 million Americans on food stamps, When Obama was sworn in, there were nearly 32 million Americans on food stamps.
7.The number of children living in poverty has gone up by about 2 million in just the past 2 years
8.The national debt is is 14.3 trillion dollars. When Obama took office, the U.S. national debt was 10.6 trillion dollars.
9.The federal government has borrowed 29,660 more dollars per household since Obama signed the economic stimulus law 2 years ago
10.During Obama’s first 2 years in office, the U.S. government added more to the U.S. national debt than the first 100 U.S. Congresses combined
11.The combined debt of the major GSEs (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Sallie Mae) has increased to 6.4 trillion in 2011.
12.The trade deficit was about 33 percent larger in 2010 than it was in 2009. The deficit is expected to grow in 2011
13.Only 66.8% of American men had a job last year. That is the lowest level recorded in all of U.S. history
14.Since August, 2 million more Americans have left the labor force
15.In 2010, more than a million U.S. families lost their homes to foreclosure. That number is expected to go even higher in 2011
16.During the first three months of this year, less new homes were sold in the U.S. than in any three month period ever recorded
17.The Chinese are rapidly dumping U.S. government debt. Faith in the U.S. dollar and in U.S. Treasuries is rapidly declining
18.The U.S. dollar has fallen by 17 percent compared to other major national currencies since 2009
19.Today an ounce of gold costs about $1500. When Barack Obama first took office, an ounce of gold was going for about $850
20.61% of Americans believe that they will not return to their “pre-recession” lifestyles until at least 2014
source:businessinsider
Yep, I'm still waiting for some people to get that correlation!= causation.Of course, one could easily point out that these things occurring during Obama's presidency doesn't mean that he caused them, made them worse, or even failed to make them better.
Of course, one could easily point out that these things occurring during Obama's presidency doesn't mean that he caused them, made them worse, or even failed to make them better.
Of course, one could easily point out that these things occurring during Obama's presidency doesn't mean that he caused them, made them worse, or even failed to make them better.
One could also easily deduce that had this all happened under McCain, liberals would be blaming him for it.
yeah...it's not like he's the President or anything like that.
Unemployment has hovered between 8.1% at the low end and 9.3 at the high end. On average, it's been around 9.1% since about March/April 2009. I'd hardly say the unemployment rate is "still rising". I think the highest it's gotten under Obama was 10.3%, but it hasn't gotten any higher than 9.3% since that time - hardly support for you claim that it's "still rising". But nice try.I'd say you need to start talking to your obstructionist GOP politicians about that.
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