A little lab in St. Louis is at the forefront of the national effort to use stem cells from newborns' umbilical cord blood to treat deadly diseases.
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Stem cells from umbilical cord blood can be used as an alternative to bone marrow to treat diseases such as acute leukemia, lymphoma and aplastic anemia. The therapy provides hope for thousands of patients who have no relative or suitable volunteer to provide matched bone marrow.
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“My most fervent hope," said Bartle, R-Lee's Summit, "is that the momentum that is behind adult stem cell research will basically leave embryonic stem cell research in the rear-view mirror."
You know being stubborn does not make you right! If you would take a moment and reread what the NIH & Harvard have to say about embryonic stem cell research in my post from this weekend?Squawker said:Was reading the news when I happened upon this. Research is going on all over the world every day.
There isn’t anything wrong with protecting human life Champ. I read what all the reports for and against said. I didn’t post the article to change your mind Champ. You are far too “stubborn” for me to convince. There are people who read this that may not have their mind made up. Let’s get all the information on the table and give it a good airing. Isn’t that what debating is all about?You know being stubborn does not make you right! If you would take a moment and reread what the NIH & Harvard have to say about embryonic stem cell research in my post from this weekend?
You smugly post this stuff suggesting that there's no need for government involvement or to use embryonic stem cells. Remember what I said about being stubborn? It does not make you right. As a matter of fact you're dead wrong.
walrus said:This issue really isn't my forte, but I have noticed one really interesting irony about it. A lot of the same folks who support stem cell research (always using the bottom dragging emotional appeal, "what if you got parkinson's - I bet you'd change your mind then) are the same people who are vigorously against animal research for developing the same life saving treatments. Can anyone explain this to me?
walrus said:This issue really isn't my forte, but I have noticed one really interesting irony about it. A lot of the same folks who support stem cell research (always using the bottom dragging emotional appeal, "what if you got parkinson's - I bet you'd change your mind then) are the same people who are vigorously against animal research for developing the same life saving treatments. Can anyone explain this to me?
That's not true.johnsdad said:Face it, from a scientific standpoint, there has been no experiment or development of stem cells that has proved that there is anything more than a "possibility" that the research will bare fruit.
Really? So you think we should close down the NIH, CDC, and every government sponsored scientific study? That would also mean good-bye to NASA, goodbye to government funded flu shots, etc.pwrslyd said:I personally do not think that it is the government's job to fund scientific research. That is the job of private donors.
I have to applaud President Bush for vetoing this bill. It has no place in our government for my aforementioned reason.
Can you imagine what the Earth would be like today if your philosophy of medical experimentation were adapted? Do you believe that cures are found instantly without many, many failures first? Did you ever consider that failures also lead to cures.johnsdad said:Face it, from a scientific standpoint, there has been no experiment or development of stem cells that has proved that there is anything more than a "possibility" that the research will bare fruit.
Fu_chick said:If Bush continues to block
26 X World Champs said:Can you imagine what the Earth would be like today if your philosophy of medical experimentation were adapted? Do you believe that cures are found instantly without many, many failures first? Did you ever consider that failures also lead to cures.
With all due respect, it is ridiculous to believe that because the actual breakthrough has not been completed yet that we should stop. That is simply weak, sorry...
SourceBOSTON - Gov. Mitt Romney vetoed a bill Friday that would expand embryonic stem cell research in Massachusetts, but the measure has had more than enough support in the Legislature to override the governor's veto.
Fulfilling his long-stated promise, Romney said at a news conference that he was unable to sign the bill because it includes a provision allowing therapeutic cloning, in which scientists create a cloned embryo to harvest stem cells in hopes of using them to treat and cure disease. Critics have said the practice amounts to creating human life only to destroy it.
In a letter to lawmakers, the Republican governor said he could not "in good conscience allow this bill to become law."
Lawmakers in both the House and Senate passed the bill with veto-proof margins. They are expected to override Romney's veto next week.
includes a provision allowing therapeutic cloning, in which scientists create a cloned embryo to harvest stem cells in hopes of using them to treat and cure disease.
Why must you twist the truth to serve your point of view? How come? Is the truth unacceptable to you? What's the deal here?Squawker said:
26 X World Champs said:[/b]I will make this as clear as possible....SHAME ON ANYONE WHO USES "KILLING A BABY" AS THEIR SICK RATIONAL TO PREVENT SCIENCE FROM CURING THE WORLD OF OUR MOST DEADLY AND DIABOLICAL DISEASE!
The article I sourced is very clear Champ, it said "Cloned Embryo". I realize you do not consider it to be a human being, but I do. I also believe this would lead to "farming body parts". People who do not see embryos as humans would have no objection to growing an embryo for a new heart.Why must you twist the truth to serve your point of view? How come? Is the truth unacceptable to you? What's the deal here?
What do I mean? Cloning stem cells "in the hopes of using them to treat and cure diseases" is a major leap from cloning human beings. You know this, but you insist on making up this crap? WHY?
May I ask you a question? If science is allowed to use an embryo that is left over from a couple's In Vitro process INSTEAD of having them THROWN AWAY, why would you be against that? One step further? Take those left overs and clone them to make more left overs purely for medical advancement. If you think that's murder than you are DEAD wrong....IMHO.Arthur Fonzarelli said:Shame on anyone who would use the advancement of science & possible curing of disease as their sick rationale to kill a baby.
Twisting words doesn't make you right. You know damn well that there is no intention to clone anything but stem cells, but, as you've done before, you're trying to use "scare tactics" to rabble rouse people into thinking that science has gone mad, has no ethics, and left unchecked will develop a race of clones that will threaten the world as we know it......Christ is that ABSURD!Squawker said:The article I sourced is very clear Champ, it said "Cloned Embryo". I realize you do not consider it to be a human being, but I do. I also believe this would lead to "farming body parts". People who do not see embryos as humans would have no objection to growing an embryo for a new heart.
26 X World Champs said:May I ask you a question? If science is allowed to use an embryo that is left over from a couple's In Vitro process INSTEAD of having them THROWN AWAY, why would you be against that? One step further? Take those left overs and clone them to make more left overs purely for medical advancement. If you think that's murder than you are DEAD wrong....IMHO.
Are you also against In Vitro Fertilization? That's "ungodly" too....
How about one more honest answer? If you were dying from a disease and the cure had been discovered thru stem cell research you would have to decline the treatment, right? You would die instead? Is that correct? If it is, are you going to create a living will that clearly states that no matter your condition you will not accept embryonic stem cell created cures? Is that what you plan on doing?
As usual, I never said the things you said I said. Why do you keep doing that Champ? There are 24 embryos still available for research and NIH will fund it. We will have a new administration in 2008 and a different decision may be made at that time. The States are funding some on their own, so I don't see why you are so angry about it.Twisting words doesn't make you right. You know damn well that there is no intention to clone anything but stem cells, but, as you've done before, you're trying to use "scare tactics" to rabble rouse people into thinking that science has gone mad, has no ethics, and left unchecked will develop a race of clones that will threaten the world as we know it......Christ is that ABSURD!