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Aaron said:Do you have a picture to make bush or any other republican politician look bad for every occasion because I think ever since I got here I have seen you post at least ten of them. Anyways If we didn't do these tortures of confirmed terrorists we would be fighting blind in this war we're in. I mean if you look at one of them I pretty sure that one of the prisoners at getmo was released and then brought back to custody because he was captured on the war front. If getmo was closed things would be a heck of a lot worse. A lot worse. Because in some cases torturing dose work.
Alright, here's one for your side. So I throw the dog a bone...Originally posted by Aaron:
Do you have a picture to make bush or any other republican politician look bad for every occasion because I think ever since I got here I have seen you post at least ten of them.
You should donate to this message board for having some degree of censorship that does not allow me to talk to you the way I would if I met you on the street. You have know idea the words I am not using to respond to you. Because statements this sick require special attention. So thank them for the rules that prevent me from giving you that special attention. But I will say this, it is crap like that which gets peoples heads cut off.Originally posted by Aaron:
Anyways If we didn't do these tortures of confirmed terrorists we would be fighting blind in this war we're in. I mean if you look at one of them I pretty sure that one of the prisoners at getmo was released and then brought back to custody because he was captured on the war front. If getmo was closed things would be a heck of a lot worse. A lot worse. Because in some cases torturing dose work.
Thank you for being human.Originally posted by Kelzie:
You are condoning torture?!? Are you serious? This is 2005, and we live in AMERICA, not medieval Europe. Torture is wrong. Always for anyone. Especially for the US, which is supposed to uphold certain ideals.
You can't be serious? You think torture is OK! When I read a crappy post like this it makes me realize that some Americans are on a par with our enemies.Aaron said:Anyways If we didn't do these tortures of confirmed terrorists we would be fighting blind in this war we're in. I mean if you look at one of them I pretty sure that one of the prisoners at getmo was released and then brought back to custody because he was captured on the war front. If getmo was closed things would be a heck of a lot worse. A lot worse. Because in some cases torturing dose work.
What is the info you used to reach this conclusion?Aaron said:Anyways If we didn't do these tortures of confirmed terrorists we would be fighting blind in this war we're in.
This is one of the top 10 stupidest posts I've ever read in this community.Aaron said:Yes I am condoning it because it serves them right for what they are doing. They make the Muslim comunity look like a bunch of Terrorists. They make the Muslim comunity to some people look like a religion of hate. That Is why I aprove of what getmo is doing.
Billo_Really said:"Who is Thomas Paine?"
Aaron said:yes sometimes it is sick but sometimes it is necessary. Sometimes these terrorists will crack and we will have incredibly valuable information on our hands. Information that could lead to the capture of Zarqauwi possibly or the end of terrorism in Iraq and a quicker process of getting our troops home.
Well apparantly, it is an issue with some former brave men and women...Originally posted by Deegan:
Torture is a very extreme measure, and one that can be expected from only a very few. This whole story is a slander to those who serve, and should be treated as such, this does not go on in everyday life, and nor should it, it's really a non issue with our brave men and women. DICK Durbin made a grave mistake in his broad assumptions, I can only hope he pays dearly come election time, but somehow I doubt it
Billo_Really said:Well apparantly, it is an issue with some former brave men and women...
VETERANS FOR PEACE STATEMENT ON IRAQ PRISONER ABUSE SCANDAL
Veterans For Peace believes that the recent allegations of abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib Prison, and other places, by U.S. military personnel should not come as a surprise to anyone who has been to war.
In his investigation of the 800th Military Police Brigade, Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba found: “… numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees. This systemic and illegal abuse of detainees was intentionally perpetrated by several members of the military police guard force”.
Some of our members served in Military Intelligence or Military Police units. We were part of a culture that gives lip service to the Geneva Conventions in training but encourages psychological and physical brutality in the pursuit of “intell”. In other words, the problem has been and is systemic.
For many veterans the painful feeling that we have been here before is overwhelming. We recall that such brutalities were commonplace in Korea and Vietnam, wars fought, as is Iraq, in the midst of a civilian populace, where combatants blend into and disappear among the civilian population.
Operating in a foreign land, hostile to our presence, coupled with the administration’s demonstrated disdain for the restraints imposed by the Geneva Convention on prisoner treatment has led, inevitably, to these abuses. Can our soldiers, if captured, expect treatment governed by the terms of an agreement their own government has violated?
The abuse at military prisons is the latest step in the shameful course that our nation has been following in Iraq. It began with an invasion for reasons that have proven to be falsehoods and lies. This is more than the criminal activity of a few “bad apples”, it is the brutal, systemically embedded result of a misguided national policy.
There must be a full and public Congressional investigation and those all the way up the chain of command to General Myers and Defense Secretary Rumsfeld who should be held accountable.
The United States government must change course and admit to the unjust nature of this war, the disastrous miscalculations of the response of the Iraqi people to invasion and occupation, begin the withdrawal of US forces from Iraq and restore real self-rule.
We expect there will be token dismissals. However we must not hang on to the policies that have led to these horrors, have further compromised our nation’s security and lost us the respect of the world. They must be excised, swiftly and thoroughly.
That is the only way to restore dignity and honor to our military and to our country.
Adopted by VFP National Board of Directors 5/14/04
Calm2Chaos said:I see no reason why we shouldn't be nicer to them. Let them stay at the Hilton while there in town. That way they can eye up a good place were lots of children gather. MAkes blowing them up easier. I mean obviously it's just a misunderstanding, all of these men are just common everyday folks. They have no desire or intentions of destroying our country or detonating homemade bombs in crowds of people.
Gots to do what ya gots to do :shoot
galenrox said:So why has John McCaine spoken out against the treatment of the detainees at Gitmo? I mean, if it's really so ok over there, I mean, since he's the expert, why would he do that?
Middleground said:I think you and Aaron are under the impression that all of the detainees at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib were/are hard-lined Islamic terrorists. That couldn't be further from the truth. It's also proven so far that the torture inflicted on it's prisoners has resulted in no important information. Zip. Nil. Nada.
The only thing that it has accomplished is a growing hatred towards Americans/America, which is sad. The US should be above those who do not believe in human rights. This is what makes your country so great.
At least it did.
Calm2Chaos said:If information was gathered from one of these guys do you honestly think you would find out about it?
I have no doubt information has been gleaned from the interogations. Wether we hear about it for a while is another story
Navy Pride said:Hey if it can stop another 9/11/01 terrorist attack by torturing some of the scum at GITMO then I am all for it..........
You Liberals complain about abuse and torture in GITMO..............You have no clue what real torture is......If you want to find out what it is ask John McCain......
He can tell you...
could we please have a citation for this assertion?Middleground said:It's also proven so far that the torture inflicted on it's prisoners has resulted in no important information. Zip. Nil. Nada.
Do you have any evidence to suggest that it's likely to have that potential?Navy Pride said:Hey if it can stop another 9/11/01 terrorist attack by torturing some of the scum at GITMO then I am all for it..........
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