Britons without right of abode in UK

[frederick666]

I'm Frederick,from Hong Kong.As everybody knows,Hong Kong used to be a British dependent territory since 1997.After the transfer of the Hong Kong sovereignty from UK to China,Hong Kong ppl starting the voyage of having dual citizenships,holding two passports,

British National Overseas passport (British) known as BNO

Hong Kong Special administrative Region passport (Chinese) known as HKSAR

However,these passports dont guarantee any right of abode in both China and Britain,as long as we hongkongers can travel most countries in the world without visas.

as we hongkongers founded an online organization known as Britishhongkong recently,and aimed to fight against the UK gov gaining back our entitlements,
In 2008,the British Upper House began to dicuss the BNO issue,debating whether giving back the right of abode in UK that we BNOs deserve.

Eventually,the UK gov decided to give the Right of Abode to those BNOs who used to work in the British Army through whole life,but not a majority of BNOs.

My questions are:

1.I know it sounds really weird to you all 'real' Britons,but in Hong Kong,here is a saying 'Once a Brit,Always a Brit.'Personally,I was taught to sing the British national anthem when I was 5.we r forever royal to her majesty.I dunno why the UK gov refusing we Britons going back to our motherland??

2.Do those ppl in UK endorse our action?

3.from the bottom of yr heart,r we Hongkongers either chinese,Britons or simply Hongkongers?

Links:

BHK organization:
BritishHongKong Official Site

BHK forum:
BHK FORUM - Index

 

[Laila]

To be honest, i have never heard of this.
Is it possible to give us more information?

 

[frederick666]

To be honest, i have never heard of this.
Is it possible to give us more information?

I posted two links of BHK org just now,there r lots of info ya need.

 

[kaya'08]

1.I know it sounds really weird to you all 'real' Britons,but in Hong Kong,here is a saying 'Once a Brit,Always a Brit.'Personally,I was taught to sing the British national anthem when I was 5.we r forever royal to her majesty.I dunno why the UK gov refusing we Britons going back to our motherland??

2.Do those ppl in UK endorse our action?

3.from the bottom of yr heart,r we Hongkongers either chinese,Britons or simply Hongkongers?

First of all, ask yourself, what makes you a HongKonger?

Then ask yourself, what makes you a Brit? If you only have the fact it states as such on a piece of paper, then i think you know the answer.

 

[frederick666]

1.I know it sounds really weird to you all 'real' Britons,but in Hong Kong,here is a saying 'Once a Brit,Always a Brit.'Personally,I was taught to sing the British national anthem when I was 5.we r forever royal to her majesty.I dunno why the UK gov refusing we Britons going back to our motherland??

2.Do those ppl in UK endorse our action?

3.from the bottom of yr heart,r we Hongkongers either chinese,Britons or simply Hongkongers?

First of all, ask yourself, what makes you a HongKonger?

Then ask yourself, what makes you a Brit? If you only have the fact it states as such on a piece of paper, then i think you know the answer.

the answer is simple.since we Hongkongers r extremely anglicised....unlikely other emigrants,we grew up in a British territory,through singing God save the Queen to prove our loyalty towards the country in whole life.

looking backwards on wt Britain gave Hong Kong,wt did we Hongkongers give Britain?We established the Hong Kong Bank(HSBC),being a headquarters of Capitalism...etc

After the handover,wt we Hongkongers gain from our motherland---UK?

we dont even have the right of abode in Britain...dont ya think that's a bit unfair to we Hongkong Britons?

 

[kaya'08]

the answer is simple.since we Hongkongers r extremely anglicised....unlikely other emigrants,we grew up in a British territory,through singing God save the Queen to prove our loyalty towards the country in whole life.

looking backwards on wt Britain gave Hong Kong,wt did we Hongkongers give Britain?We established the Hong Kong Bank(HSBC),being a headquarters of Capitalism...etc

After the handover,wt we Hongkongers gain from our motherland---UK?

we dont even have the right of abode in Britain...dont ya think that's a bit unfair to we Hongkong Britons?

According to the British nationalities act of 1981, Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies are divided into three categories:

British citizenship - ones born and raised in the UK (any of its unitary states being Scotland, England, Northern Ireland or Wales). Only British citizens have the right to abode. Also, British citizens are ones who have lived and worked in Britain for a number of years and have as a result been legally eligible to opt for British citizenship.

British Dependant Territories Citizen - A BDTC can opt for a British citizenship (and acquire it immediately if residing in a BDTC) and a British Dependant Territories citizenship at the same time, giving citizens the right to abode. This was Hong Kongs case before it ceased to exist as a British Dependant territory. British Dependant Territories Citizenship on its own is not sufficient enough to gain the right to abode because British Dependant Territories do not have one legal nationality.


British National Overseas - This is one of the major classes of British citizenship under the British nationalities act. Unfortunately, however, holders of the British National Overseas citizenship are NOT classes as Britons because British National Overseas citizens are members of the Commonwealth citizenship and not a British citizen.

However,these passports dont guarantee any right of abode in both China and Britain,as long as we hongkongers can travel most countries in the world without visas.

When Hong Kong transferred to Chinese soviergn, because the majority of Hong Kongers where British Dependant Territories citizens, there BDTC's where automatically terminated, now any Hong Konger upholding a British Dependant Territories Citizenship is now actually a British national overseas - therefore, not a Briton, and without the right to abode, because British National Overseas are common wealth members. So how is it unfair that you are not given the right to abode? You should have applied for British citizenship before 1997. Now Hong Kong is part of China, it will remain as such, and so will its people, and if you wish for the right to abode, you need to live for a number of years in the UK before you can be eligable to be a British citizen - in other words, and rightfully, you need to go through the same citizenship acquirement procedure as everybody else. Because Hong Kong is no longer a British dependant territory, and you did not apply for British citizenship before hand, you should have no special exceptions under the law and apply for citizenship like everybody else according to our immigration laws.

Because you are a CommonWealth citizen, your are therefore not a Briton. Also, citizens who currently have a British Dependant Territories citizenship are not considered a British citizen under the law because as shown already, the British nationalities act classifies those born abroad in a British Dependant territory as a seperate citizenship in itself. This is unlike the French Dependant Overseas Citizenship/ The French Dependant Territories citizenship where Overseas citizens are considered French citizens and the French nationalities act makes no distinction between those born abroad in a French Dependant territory and those born in France.

 

[OLU]

you do not think that britain became a rich country by giving hand outs to chinamen?

 

[kaya'08]

you do not think that britain became a rich country by giving hand outs to chinamen?

A communist country, maybe.
No seriously, our rules of minimum wages apply EVEN to chinamen. Hence why it WOULD be cheaper labour, but nothing the Poles are not already doing - it wont make much of a different. Plus, its not like we manafacture anything!
Btw the last post was in 2009. This thread is long gone.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- its not like we manafacture anything!

Don't fall for the hype kaya, we still have a bigger manufacturing base than France. Only Italy and Germany have bigger manufacturing bases in Europe than we do.

 

[kaya'08]

Don't fall for the hype kaya, we still have a bigger manufacturing base than France. Only Italy and Germany have bigger manufacturing bases in Europe than we do.

France isn't creating policies to deliberately sabotage its growth though, that's the difference.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

France isn't creating policies to deliberately sabotage its growth though, that's the difference.

Neither are we! We're predicted to grow by 2.3% next year after 1.3 this year. (Will check my figures)

 

[kaya'08]

Neither are we! We're predicted to grow by 2.3% next year after 1.3 this year. (Will check my figures)

Our manufacturing industry, not our economy as a whole.
There is a huge lack of policies and subsidises to aid and expand the growth of our industry. In fact, our over-reliance on Chinese goods is evidence of this. The only true way our domestic demands can be met with domestic manufacture is if the coalition can gather up the balls to introduce some protectionism against China.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

Once again we make ourselves a laughing stock by going out on a limb to keep the worthless likes of Binyam Muhammad, yet the ones who are prouder than we on the Motherland to be British we kick in the teeth.

Same with the Gurkha, yet those calling for murder in the middle of London are accepted.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Our manufacturing industry, not our economy as a whole.

Manufacturing is not great I agree - but still not as bad as many put forward. The UK manufacturing sector has headed into niche markets, we don't make the big appliances and goods where "Made in Britain" can be stamped in large letters but we do manufacture.

There is a huge lack of policies and subsidises to aid and expand the growth of our industry. In fact, our over-reliance on Chinese goods is evidence of this. The only true way our domestic demands can be met with domestic manufacture is if the coalition can gather up the balls to introduce some protectionism against China.

I agree policies could be better - subsidies and protectionism I feel are the wrong way to go. As for competing with China, while China is in low value cheap goods we should never compete. We do need to explore and invest further in high value specialist goods and manufacture. China will suffer long term at the hands of places like India, Indonesia etc where labour will eventually be even cheaper.

 

[Red_Dave]

What did Binyam Muhammad do to offend you? (having been released without charge)

 

[Lancastrian]

I'm from Britain. We should have given people from Hong Kong full right of abode in the UK before 1997. That the Tory government of the time didn't do this (or make other provisions, like offering full British citizenship) was disgraceful.

All present citizens of British Overseas Territories (except the bases on Cyprus) have access to full British citizenship should they so wish.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- We should have given people from Hong Kong full right of abode in the UK before 1997..

Somebody probably thought that all the citizens of Hong Kong would flee the territories and emigrate to the UK. We'll be able to tell in 12-13 years if there's a 25 year embargo on govt paperwork of the time.

 

[Lancastrian]

I'd rather have a couple of million loyal Hong Kongers with a knowledge and affinity with Britain and its culture than the equivalent number of Poles. Not that Polish people aren't nice people too but integration would have probably been easier as many of them will be able to speak English from the first day of arrival in the UK.

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

What did Binyam Muhammad do to offend you?

Other than being the Islamist equivilent of a Hitlerite neo-Nazi terrorist training camp attendee, who was then caught behind enemy lines and captured, nothing really.

Binyam Mohamed is on official record as being a fraudster,why should his MI5 accusations be believed ? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers




If he was so sweet and innocent, what the Dickens was he doing there? The question can also be put to the likes of the enemy Muslim radio operators with Brummie accents! Despite what the Left say, they can't all have been backpacking in a warzone!


RAF experts eavesdrop on Afghanistan radio traffic: Taliban fighters speaking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents | Talibrum | The Sun |News

Soldiers find 'Brummie' Afghan fighter they'd shot had Aston Villa tattoo | Mail Online

RAF surveillance planes hear Taliban fighters talking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents| News | This is London

Exclusive: Army is fighting British jihadists in Afghanistan - Asia, World - The Independent



Oh, how damn convenient - Backpackers risk all for the thrills of Kabul - Telegraph !!!!

When the next bomb goes off in London, blame the judges – Telegraph Blogs - Pfft, 'backpacking'! The Bali bombers 'backpacked'!!!!!




Looks like a few deportations are in order to make more room for the likes of the Gurkha who want to come in!

Let the fifth-columnist, pork-fearing supremacist scum rot and look after those who are on OUR side for a bleeding change! They let down the Gurkha, so at least have a government take care of those in Hong Kong!!

 

[jujuman13]

Unfortunately you are not of the Islamic faith, were you to be that you would be welcomed back into the fold as a 100% Brit.

 

[alexa]

Unfortunately you are not of the Islamic faith, were you to be that you would be welcomed back into the fold as a 100% Brit.

I don't think it iwas anything to do with that.

By the early 1980's the fact that Commonwealth citizens were British subjects gave them no immigration access to the UK. This had effectively ended in 1962, and in fact from that date even among citizens of the UK and Colonies there was a division between those who had the right of abode in the UK and those who did not. The 1981 Act finally brought a degree of convergence between the UK's immigration and citizenship laws, whereby only British citizenship in itself would give a right to live in the UK. All other categories of British nationality gave the right to British consular protection and passport facilities, but no automatic right to live freely in the UK.

The Reform Movement

My own Irish Mum was well fed up being refused a British Passport at the end of her life when she had had one all of it.

 

[Infinite Chaos]

Other than being the Islamist equivilent of a Hitlerite neo-Nazi terrorist training camp attendee, who was then caught behind enemy lines and captured, nothing really.

Binyam Mohamed isn't a British Citizen, his exceptional leave to stay finished in 2004 and he's outstayed his residence permit.

He shouldn't be here. We've done more than enough by rescuing him from an American torture camp.

 

[Red_Dave]

Other than being the Islamist equivilent of a Hitlerite neo-Nazi terrorist training camp attendee, who was then caught behind enemy lines and captured, nothing really.

Binyam Mohamed is on official record as being a fraudster,why should his MI5 accusations be believed ? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers

If he was so sweet and innocent, what the Dickens was he doing there? The question can also be put to the likes of the enemy Muslim radio operators with Brummie accents! Despite what the Left say, they can't all have been backpacking in a warzone!


RAF experts eavesdrop on Afghanistan radio traffic: Taliban fighters speaking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents | Talibrum | The Sun |News

Soldiers find 'Brummie' Afghan fighter they'd shot had Aston Villa tattoo | Mail Online

RAF surveillance planes hear Taliban fighters talking in Brummie and Yorkshire accents| News | This is London

Exclusive: Army is fighting British jihadists in Afghanistan - Asia, World - The Independent



Oh, how damn convenient - Backpackers risk all for the thrills of Kabul - Telegraph !!!!

When the next bomb goes off in London, blame the judges – Telegraph Blogs - Pfft, 'backpacking'! The Bali bombers 'backpacked'!!!!!




Looks like a few deportations are in order to make more room for the likes of the Gurkha who want to come in!

Let the fifth-columnist, pork-fearing supremacist scum rot and look after those who are on OUR side for a bleeding change! They let down the Gurkha, so at least have a government take care of those in Hong Kong!!

Well if you are certain that was innocent then why was he released without charge? do you have evidence that the SIS/C.I.A were not privvy to?

 

[Republic_Of_Public]

I'm not certain he was innocent. He's like a Stalinist/Hitlerite death camp guard who swears all innocence on account that he himself never pulled any triggers.

And even then that's just on his say-so.



The only people happy to have him back are sympathetic leftards and money-spinning legal eagles.

http://www.leighday.co.uk/news/news-archive/leigh-day-co-welcome-binyam-mohamed-back-home

 

[Infinite Chaos]

-- The only people happy to have him back are sympathetic leftards --

[/sigh]

Why? Can't you make a case without the silly names?