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Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law

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Brewer condemns report to UN mentioning Ariz. law - Yahoo! News

PHOENIX – Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer demanded Friday that a reference to the state's controversial immigration law be removed from a State Department report to the United Nations' human rights commissioner.

The U.S. included its legal challenge to the law on a list of ways the federal government is protecting human rights.

In a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Brewer says it is "downright offensive" that a state law would be included in the report, which was drafted as part of a UN review of human rights in all member nations every four years.

"The idea of our own American government submitting the duly enacted laws of a state of the United States to 'review' by the United Nations is internationalism run amok and unconstitutional," Brewer wrote.
Brewer smashed two targets with one stone.
Obama administration and bitch slapped Hillary so hard it makes a serious dent in any challenge for the presidency. She doesn't stand for upholding the law and defending our borders and thinks so little of our laws she cites them as against human rights.

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Brewer smashed two targets with one stone.
Obama administration and bitch slapped Hillary so hard it makes a serious dent in any challenge for the presidency. She doesn't stand for upholding the law and defending our borders.

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SB1070 doesn't have anything to do with defending the borders.
 

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I admire the guts and fortitude of Gov. Brewer for standing up to Obama's outlandish Anti-American B.S.

It is clear Liberals and others who oppose this law don't understand that it is designed and is a close copy of the Federal Law Obama's, and Bush's Administration and others going back 50 years refuse to reinforce.

I say if nothing else happens reports of illegals fleeing AZ. is a great side affect to the law. The only sad thing is they are coming to California to join the million illegal already here, costing hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

I only wish that the Arizona law had included a portion of the law thatt would have put Officials from sanctuary Cities in jail for 2 years, if they don't act within 30 days to publicly announce they will begin to enforce the Federal and State laws. This would have driven the Muslim in Chief nuts.
 

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I admire the guts and fortitude of Gov. Brewer for standing up to Obama's outlandish Anti-American B.S.

It is clear Liberals and others who oppose this law don't understand that it is designed and is a close copy of the Federal Law Obama's, and Bush's Administration and others going back 50 years refuse to reinforce.

I say if nothing else happens reports of illegals fleeing AZ. is a great side affect to the law. The only sad thing is they are coming to California to join the million illegal already here, costing hundreds of millions of tax dollars.

I only wish that the Arizona law had included a portion of the law thatt would have put Officials from sanctuary Cities in jail for 2 years, if they don't act within 30 days to publicly announce they will begin to enforce the Federal and State laws. This would have driven the Muslim in Chief nuts.
I think it's great they've made a convoy for California. I hope they all end up there, flooding the state with more illegals... especially SF. Overburden the city and state to the point of breaking and creating an even bigger financial hole to crawl out of.

Let the suckers have even more illegals to fund. At some point citizens of The Golden State will be fed up with dem policies that have bankrupted a once prosperous and business friendly state... and let the courts keep telling the electorate their votes mean nothing as they implode.

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I'm forced to agree... I don't see what the UN has to do with this, especially given that the court decision is still pending.
 

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I'm forced to agree... I don't see what the UN has to do with this, especially given that the court decision is still pending.
It is just local American politics. The UN is a big boggy man among conservatives so it is only natural that a politician under siege will try to take focus away from herself and put it on a perceived "enemy" of the US that everyone on the US right wing can agree on.

Listen the UN publishes this report for every member country every 4 years and anything that has an impact on human rights in any country is in the report. The US has had the ghost of Gitmo in the report, plus police abuse of prisoners and so on and so on. Same goes for the UK, Denmark, Spain and every other democratic country that is a member of the UN. Like it or not, just because we are democracy does not mean we do not abuse or attempt to abuse basic human rights on an almost daily basis.
 

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It is just local American politics. The UN is a big boggy man among conservatives so it is only natural that a politician under siege will try to take focus away from herself and put it on a perceived "enemy" of the US that everyone on the US right wing can agree on.

Listen the UN publishes this report for every member country every 4 years and anything that has an impact on human rights in any country is in the report. The US has had the ghost of Gitmo in the report, plus police abuse of prisoners and so on and so on. Same goes for the UK, Denmark, Spain and every other democratic country that is a member of the UN. Like it or not, just because we are democracy does not mean we do not abuse or attempt to abuse basic human rights on an almost daily basis.
The UN is a waste of time, effort and money. We should withdraw from it, kick the UN out of NYC and then watch and see how long it lasts.
 

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The UN is a waste of time, effort and money. We should withdraw from it, kick the UN out of NYC and then watch and see how long it lasts.
It would keep on going. The United Nations is an international organization whose goals are cooperation, law, and pressing for human rights, among others. While it's understandable that you view America as so incredibly powerful and influential that all international organizations would fail if we didn't partipate, it's not correct. In addition, it's arguable that we'd more likely lose a lot of influence by doing such a thing.
 
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It would keep on going. The United Nations is an international organization whose goals are cooperation, law, and pressing for human rights, among others. While it's understandable that you view America as so incredibly powerful and influential that all international organizations would fail if we didn't partipate, it's not correct. In addition, it's arguable that we'd more likely lose a lot of influence by doing such a thing.


The UN gets most of it's funding from where? The GOAL of the UN was never any of the things you listed, it's grown to claim such... powers. That's the scary part, people like you don't even know what the UN is for. You just think it's this great shining example of Humanity at it's Finest. It's a cesspool
 

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The UN gets most of it's funding from where? The GOAL of the UN was never any of the things you listed, it's grown to claim such... powers. That's the scary part, people like you don't even know what the UN is for. You just think it's this great shining example of Humanity at it's Finest. It's a cesspool
Being the open-minded individual that I am, I'd love to read a link from a credible source that gives creedence to your statement. If you'd be so kind, link a reputable source that says the UN is exactly what you claim it is - and yes, I'll even accept wikipedia, despite it not being a reputable source.
 
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Being the open-minded individual that I am, I'd love to read a link from a credible source that gives creedence to your statement. If you'd be so kind, link a reputable source that says the UN is exactly what you claim it is - and yes, I'll even accept wikipedia, despite it not being a reputable source.
Following in the wake of the failed League of Nations (1919–1946) (which the United States never joined) the United Nations was established in 1945 to maintain international peace and promote cooperation in solving international economic, social and humanitarian problems.

United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Following in the wake of the failed League of Nations (1919–1946) (which the United States never joined) the United Nations was established in 1945 to maintain international peace and promote cooperation in solving international economic, social and humanitarian problems.

United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thanks, Boo! Now if you can help MrVich with a source backing up his claim, i'm sure he'd be much obliged.
 

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The UN gets most of it's funding from where? The GOAL of the UN was never any of the things you listed, it's grown to claim such... powers. That's the scary part, people like you don't even know what the UN is for. You just think it's this great shining example of Humanity at it's Finest. It's a cesspool
Yes it is scary.. you clearly dont know what the UN is, does and was set up for.
 

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The purpose of the UN was to prevent another World War, and to maintain peace through diplomacy. It was never intended to be the behemoth it is today.
 

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The purpose of the UN was to prevent another World War, and to maintain peace through diplomacy. It was never intended to be the behemoth it is today.
This statement is a far cry from your first statement, which labelled the UN as a "cesspool". You also claimed my post was wrong, and that I apparently have no knowledge of the functions and goals the organization. Given that there is already a post on this thread containing a link that supports my position, I assume you can provide one in support of your own, yes?

And just so we are clear, I want a link supporting your argument from the bottom of page one, and followed by my own reply at the top of page two, like I originally asked for.
 
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It is just local American politics. The UN is a big boggy man among conservatives so it is only natural that a politician under siege will try to take focus away from herself and put it on a perceived "enemy" of the US that everyone on the US right wing can agree on.

Listen the UN publishes this report for every member country every 4 years and anything that has an impact on human rights in any country is in the report. The US has had the ghost of Gitmo in the report, plus police abuse of prisoners and so on and so on. Same goes for the UK, Denmark, Spain and every other democratic country that is a member of the UN. Like it or not, just because we are democracy does not mean we do not abuse or attempt to abuse basic human rights on an almost daily basis.
Yeah, the UN has a great record.

Iraq in general post Gulf War 1. How many useless resolutions?

Oil for Food program... had this massive heap of corruption not been in place, war might have been prevented.

Enviro Wing of the UN. Now undertaking a restructuring...wonder why? Couldn't be their promotion of fraudulent enviro reports.

Yeah, the UN is just a Boogie Man...:roll:

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It would keep on going. The United Nations is an international organization whose goals are cooperation, law, and pressing for human rights, among others. While it's understandable that you view America as so incredibly powerful and influential that all international organizations would fail if we didn't partipate, it's not correct. In addition, it's arguable that we'd more likely lose a lot of influence by doing such a thing.
Since we pay most of the bills it would seem he is right and you are dead wrong.
 

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This statement is a far cry from your first statement, which labelled the UN as a "cesspool". You also claimed my post was wrong, and that I apparently have no knowledge of the functions and goals the organization. Given that there is already a post on this thread containing a link that supports my position, I assume you can provide one in support of your own, yes?

And just so we are clear, I want a link supporting your argument from the bottom of page one, and followed by my own reply at the top of page two, like I originally asked for.
It is a cesspool.

Libya on the council for human rights.

Libya, Thailand elected to U.N. Human Rights Council | Reuters

Gang rapes in Africa. Un workers and soldiers do nothing

Some 200 women gang-raped near Congo UN base - World news - Africa - msnbc.com

The largest economic scandal in world history

Oil-For-Food Scandal Shakes United Nations -- December 3, 2004

Backed up. Now what?
 
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This statement is a far cry from your first statement, which labelled the UN as a "cesspool". You also claimed my post was wrong, and that I apparently have no knowledge of the functions and goals the organization. Given that there is already a post on this thread containing a link that supports my position, I assume you can provide one in support of your own, yes?

And just so we are clear, I want a link supporting your argument from the bottom of page one, and followed by my own reply at the top of page two, like I originally asked for.
The UN is a cesspool.

Corruption doesn't get any bigger then the Oil-for Food frenzy in dollar terms, or in terms of preventing war. Instead of preventing war, they aided and abetted the creation of another one by dirty dealing with a despot. It stunk right up to Kofi Annan, as his son make a nice chunk of profit from the **** pit.

And to think... nobody said peep... for the years it was happening.

Is that cessy enough?

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The UN is a cesspool.

Corruption doesn't get any bigger then the Oil-for Food frenzy in dollar terms, or in terms of preventing war. Instead of preventing war, they aided and abetted the creation of another one by dirty dealing with a despot. It stunk right up to Kofi Annan, as his son make a nice chunk of profit from the **** pit.

And to think... nobody said peep... for the years it was happening.

Is that cessy enough?

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You mean it was bigger then the US allowing Saddam to smuggle oil, whiich brought in more money for Saddam than OFF did. What's the critieria for measuring corruption then?
 

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Officers of the Human Rights Council
President
H.E. Mr. Sihasak Phuangketkeow (Thailand) (Biography)

Vice President and Rapporteur
H.E. Madam Bente Angell-Hansen (Norway)

Vice Presidents
H.E. Mr. Arcanjo Maria Do Nascimento (Angola)
H.E. Mr. Rodolfo Reyes Rodríguez (Cuba)
H.E. Mr. Fedor Rosocha (Slovakia)
Human Rights Council - Membership of the Human Rights Council

:lamo
 

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I found it highly disturbing/ insulting that Hillary Clinton would cite the Az. law in her report to the UN about how she's fighting human rights violations. :roll:

First and foremost the Az. law mirrors the federal laws in this regard, laws they are downright refusing to enforce, except for the fact that the Az. law has stringent racial profiling restrictions in place. It's a sad day, when a state over-run with drug smugglers, human traffickers, and an assortment of other criminals, try's to do something about it, by enforcing the same laws the feds have on the books, and winds up fighting the feds who call them racist. Especially in this day in age of terrorism, think how easy it would be for a terrorist to get into Mexico, walk across our wide open Southern boarder, and attack cities like L.A., or Phoenix, or Houston. Not to mention the fact 15 million American's are out of work, not counting the underemployed, and many American's can't even get jobs in certain fields like construction, agriculture. Tell an out of work American these are jobs he 'won't do'.
 

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Since we pay most of the bills it would seem he is right and you are dead wrong.
You may wanna check the math on this, because I could have made a mistake in the calculations, but I was curious, so I looked it up to see if your statement was true. In 2008, the United States contributed around 24% net to the general budget of the UN (http://globalpolicy.org/images/pdfs/UN_Finance/assesment2007.pdf). In 2009, we ponied up roughly 23% (http://globalpolicy.org/images/pdfs/UN_Finance/assesment2009.pdf). In 2010, roughly 23.8% ( http://globalpolicy.org/images/pdfs/Member_States_Assessment_for_Regular_Budget_for_2010.pdf).

Just so we are on the same page, did you mean the largest single contributor? Because in the last two and a half years, we haven't 'paid most of the bills' - we paid a little less than a quarter of them. So if your speculation that the organization would fold is based upon your assumption that the United States was the only contributor, or that our contributions alone totalled up to the majority of the net budget, then you may wish to recind. Either way, we are both engaging in speculation here, so I vote we dismiss the theoretics and move forward with the discussion.

Backed up. Now what?
I searched those links you provided, and I can't find anywhere within them something that points to the goals of the United Nations being anything other than what I expressed, which is half of what he disagreed with, and which I asked for plainly. However, I did want a source which shows that the United Nations is a 'cesspool' as well, which you put forward in his defense. Let's discuss those, and see where we might agree or disagree with one another.

I think you and I would both agree that Libya being on the council for human rights is a joke; however, we both realize that the country was democratically elected to be there by the 192 nation general assembly. I disagree with the election, though, as I think Libya has a pretty poor track record when it comes to such things. I think there are other nations with better records that would make fine councilmembers, and I think you'd agree with me there, too.

Where I think we disagree is on the conclusion. You think this illustrates that the UN is a cesspool, whereas I think it's just a stupid manuever despite it being done democratically. I think this stems from our differences in what we view the UN to be. For me, the UN is a place where countries that disagree can have a platform to discuss those differences between them, and like the link says, facilitate cooperation on international law, human rights, and world peace. Consider the good that organizations like UNICEF, and WHO have done for the citzens of the world, or at least attempted to in good faith. Hardly the mark of a 'cesspool' organization, given their goals.

Gang rapes in Africa. Un workers and soldiers do nothing Some 200 women gang-raped near Congo UN base - World news - Africa - msnbc.com
Reading that article, would you REALLY say that they wanted to do nothing, or were limited in what they could actually do? The story said that was only 25 U.N. peacekeepers within five villages occupied by 200 - 400 rebels. While I think both of us agree that we wish there was more that they could do to have prevented such an atrocity, I think we disagree on the conclusion. But I would be curious as to why you come to the conclusion from this that the U.N is a "cesspool". After all, it wasn't the peacekeepers raping these villagers, and they did attempt to help. Is that the mark of a cesspool organization?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec04/oil-for-food_12-3.html
While we both agree that scandals should be dealt with, would you say that this is reflective on the U.N being a cesspool? I remember the S& L scandal, The Whiskey Ring, Teapot Dome, and Iran-Contra, yet I would hardly call the United States a cesspool. We are a great nation, but we've had our share of scandals.

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