Breaking: Israel launches 'preemptive strike' against Iran, declares state of emergency

[Mika-El]

What looks to me is a nation bent on revenge. I also dont live in a place where constant bombing and multi decade blockades of essentials.

If you were an Israeli it woud look like a country bent on survival not revenge. Perspective is very different when you live next to a religius figure who calls for your extinction daily and refers to you as a cancer.

Now let us talk about revenge. Please speak to soldiers who have lost a colleague or a relative of a loved one who dies. Each one reacts. Whether that reaction seeks revenge or seeks something else is highly variable. I can tell you when you sit at the command levels of the IDF you do not base your responses on "revenge" which is a "rage" which is an "emotion". Your decisions are dettached from emotions and feelings and based on what prevents the most Israeli deaths in each and every decision.

With me-I loath terrorists especially seeing the dead bodies they cause. Did it make me want revenge? Me? I only speak for me. I felt nothing. Its not what you think. I felt nothing. You are dettached from what you put in a bag. You are dettached from cleaning the street of blood. Its not a feeling. Its nothing. Absolutely nothing.

What happens is if you did get angry or full of rage you would not know what you are doing. You would go into hyper drive where you might remember some of what you did after but probably not much.

To survive, peope dettach. They do not seek revenge. They seek to do what ever in the moment keeps you alive, gets you food, shelter and you just continue.

Revenge is what you see in movies. Soldiers that they show acting in revenge in movies in real life are ordinary people who could just as easily curl up in a ball and pee their pants as they could go the other way and with a surge of adrenalin do something to save others or themselves in the moment.

It aint revenge. Revenge is what you project on people in conflict from a distance assuming their motives through distant lenses of judgement. That distance distorts what you see and enables you to project your own preconceived biases onto the actions you think you see.

 

[bomberfox]

I agree with your criticisms of Netanyahu but you know I can not nor can you agree that we blame all Israelis or pretend Iran did not have to be stopped or try suggest Israel does not care about peace and is paranoid, etc.

One of my fears is I am very upfront about criticizing Netanyahu policies but it provides unfortunately an excuse for some to blame Israel and heep moral culpability on Israel for the current conflict and other conflicts.

Some of the critivism of Netanyahu is not about him-it goes further and blames ALL Israelis, ALL people who support the right of Israel to exist free of terror in a Jewish state. It labels all IDF members as genocidal murderers. No that is not right.

Thanks.

Israel as it is governed is exactly what i am talking about which is quite frankly losing everyone because they dont give a shit who suffers as long as the government gets its way. War is not about individual members.

 

[Mika-El]

Israel as it is governed is exactly what i am talking about which is quite frankly losing everyone because they dont give a shit who suffers as long as the government gets its way.

No that is a sweeping projected assumption. It has many people who care about the suffering of Israelis and Palestinians. They I must admit have learned not to give a shit what you think.

 

[bomberfox]

If you were an Israeli it woud look like a country bent on survival not revenge. Perspective is very different when you live next to a religius figure who calls for your extinction daily and refers to you as a cancer.

Now let us talk about revenge. Please speak to soldiers who have lost a colleague or a relative of a loved one who dies. Each one reacts. Whether that reaction seeks revenge or seeks something else is highly variable. I can tell you when you sit at the command levels of the IDF you do not base your responses on "revenge" which is a "rage" which is an "emotion". Your decisions are dettached from emotions and feelings and based on what prevents the most Israeli deaths in each and every decision.

With me-I loath terrorists especially seeing the dead bodies they cause. Did it make me want revenge? Me? I only speak for me. I felt nothing. Its not what you think. I felt nothing. You are dettached from what you put in a bag. You are dettached from cleaning the street of blood. Its not a feeling. Its nothing. Absolutely nothing.

What happens is if you did get angry or full of rage you would not know what you are doing. You would go into hyper drive where you might remember some of what you did after but probably not much.

To survive, peope dettach. They do not seek revenge. They seek to do what ever in the moment keeps you alive, gets you food, shelter and you just continue.

Revenge is what you see in movies. Soldiers that they show acting in revenge in movies in real life are ordinary people who could just as easily curl up in a ball and pee their pants as they could go the other way and with a surge of adrenalin do something to save others or themselves in the moment.

It aint revenge. Revenge is what you project on people in conflict from a distance assuming their motives through distant lenses of judgement. That distance distorts what you see and enables you to project your own preconceived biases onto the actions you think you see.

But thats how everyone sees israel because that is what the government runs on. Wreckless revenge. I understand that because Israelis are human. Revenge is what i call it precisely because i understand revenge. Its not just movies, it happens in real life and is a real motivating factor for real atrocities.

 

[Mika-El]

People are not asking the right questions. What will the body count and devastation be now that Israel has struck. What would it be when Mullahs have their nukes?

What a gruesome, horrible but accurate way to phrase it. I am sorry but I am not sure how else to say it other than your way and neither of us wants to say it that way but it is what is at stake.

 

[Mika-El]

But thats how everyone sees israel because that is what the government runs on. Wreckless revenge. I understand that because Israelis are human.

Bomber I get you. I respond with what is meant as gentle responses because I care what you think and what you say is very very serious to me and I understand why you say it. You are not some hater. You are the exact kind of peace loving person Israel can not afford to alienate.

For sure Israel is unpopular if not out and out hated. It is the price one pays to survive. Can Israel do more and expect to do more to achieve peace other than by using military force, of course.

 

[bomberfox]

Bomber I get you. I respond with what is meant as gentle responses because I care what you think and what you say is very very serious to me and I understand why you say it. You are not some hater. You are the exact kind of peace loving person Israel can not afford to alienate.

For sure Israel is unpopular if not out and out hated. It is the price one pays to survive. Can Israel do more and expect to do more to achieve peace other than by using military force, of course.

I just want peace. If it has to be obtained through defeating an enemy so be it but i dont think thats always the case here.

 

[Mika-El]

You're basing your comments on a biased view that assumes all of Islam is hell bent on the destruction of the infidel, which also does not ring true in the broader world.

Not all of Islam...just the current leader of Iran.

El you ask a fair question. It basically says-why should Israel assume the Ayatollah after calling Israel a cancer and calling for it to be wiped out by any means necessary be trusted with nukes.

Would you take a baby oil bath with Piff Diddy?

Come on man. I get your point but do I? Do you get Piff's point?

 

[NOLA Dude]

I never thought I would ever say MTG was right about anything, but she is right about this. Netanyahu, got us into the Iraq war. He is about to get us into this war he started with Iran. He claims Iran is just days away from making nuclear bombs. He was wrong about Iraq's WMD he is wrong about Iran's nuclear bombs. If Iran wanted the bomb they would have had one before now.

Our economy is strong because oil is bought, sold using USD. If we bomb Iran they will increase oil trade with China strengthen the renminbi and weakening the US petrodollar value. The dollar has already been weakened. Our talks with Iran would have resulted in benefits to us. Netanyahu has economic and political reasons for weakening the USD in a war with Iran. We have a lot to lose and nothing to gain by fighting Netanyahu's war with Iran. We have a great deal to gain from better relations with Iran.

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This is not antisemitism. This is self preservation. It is not about Israel's right to defend itself. It is about the stability of the USD.

Isreal has way too much power over our government and you would hope that would decease after the Israel genocide but the US media shields us from what they are really up to.

 

[NOLA Dude]

The nerve if Isreal to complain about this after their genocide in Gaza

 

[Desert Storm]

Looks like Israel is now going after TV networks

 

[weaver2]

I agree with your criticisms of Netanyahu but you know I can not nor can you agree that we blame all Israelis or pretend Iran did not have to be stopped or try suggest Israel does not care about peace and is paranoid, etc.

I think there is a huge difference between Jews and Zionists. It is the same difference as in the US between the average American and Trumpists.

One of my fears is I am very upfront about criticizing Netanyahu policies but it provides unfortunately an excuse for some to blame Israel and heep moral culpability on Israel for the current conflict and other conflicts.

And in Israel as in the US those who are appalled by the actions of bad leaders have done nothing to stop them.

Some of the criticism of Netanyahu is not about him-it goes further and blames ALL Israelis,

I think you are wrong. The world is aware of the difference between Jews and Zionists and it is the policies of Likud, the modern Zionism that are being criticized.

ALL people who support the right of Israel to exist free of terror in a Jewish state.

A Jewish State is a good l idea. It has a right to exist. It has a responsibility to be inclusive and fair to non-Jews. A Zionist state does not accomplish that goal.

It labels all IDF members as genocidal murderers. No that is not right.

Then Israels and Americans should stop voting in miserable leaders, leaders who are convicted criminals and who flaunt the laws of their countries and use their power to wreck havoc on enemies they created. The US policies in Central America created the influx of illegal aliens. Zionist policies in Israel created the Palestinian problem and in case you hadn't noticed hating on the people whose lives we destroyed in the interest of our nation building and financial power hasn't solve either of our similar problems.

"The river's journey is inevitable. It will always find its way not matter how many times you try stop it."
It is wiser to work with the river than to try and stop it. It is also more fun but a canoeist has to learn how to run with the river. There is a lesson to be learned on the river.

 

[JANFU]

 

[bomberfox]

If you were an Israeli it woud look like a country bent on survival not revenge. Perspective is very different when you live next to a religius figure who calls for your extinction daily and refers to you as a cancer.

Now let us talk about revenge. Please speak to soldiers who have lost a colleague or a relative of a loved one who dies. Each one reacts. Whether that reaction seeks revenge or seeks something else is highly variable. I can tell you when you sit at the command levels of the IDF you do not base your responses on "revenge" which is a "rage" which is an "emotion". Your decisions are dettached from emotions and feelings and based on what prevents the most Israeli deaths in each and every decision.

With me-I loath terrorists especially seeing the dead bodies they cause. Did it make me want revenge? Me? I only speak for me. I felt nothing. Its not what you think. I felt nothing. You are dettached from what you put in a bag. You are dettached from cleaning the street of blood. Its not a feeling. Its nothing. Absolutely nothing.

What happens is if you did get angry or full of rage you would not know what you are doing. You would go into hyper drive where you might remember some of what you did after but probably not much.

To survive, peope dettach. They do not seek revenge. They seek to do what ever in the moment keeps you alive, gets you food, shelter and you just continue.

Revenge is what you see in movies. Soldiers that they show acting in revenge in movies in real life are ordinary people who could just as easily curl up in a ball and pee their pants as they could go the other way and with a surge of adrenalin do something to save others or themselves in the moment.

It aint revenge. Revenge is what you project on people in conflict from a distance assuming their motives through distant lenses of judgement. That distance distorts what you see and enables you to project your own preconceived biases onto the actions you think you see.

I couldnt detach myself, perhaps thats why im not a soldier.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yawn. You sound just like the Ukraine war supporters. I'm against war especially with the US getting involved.

JFK with the CIA.

LOL, that is quite the CT.

Grok, Did Israel and the CIA kill JFK?

{

The official report from the Warren Commission, established to investigate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK. This finding has been supported by multiple investigations, including the FBI, the Dallas Police Department, and later reviews like the 1979 House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which found no evidence of a conspiracy involving Israel or the CIA.

However, conspiracy theories implicating Israel and the CIA have persisted. Theories about Israel often point to tensions over U.S. support for Israel's nuclear program or JFK's policies in the Middle East. Theories about the CIA cite alleged dissatisfaction with Kennedy's handling of the Bay of Pigs invasion, his firing of CIA Director Allen Dulles, or broader Cold War dynamics. Some X posts and web sources speculate about these connections, but they largely rely on unverified claims, circumstantial evidence, or discredited narratives, such as those from the 1991 book Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper, which alleges an Israeli-Mossad link without credible proof.

No declassified documents or credible primary sources substantiate claims of Israel or the CIA orchestrating JFK's assassination. The CIA's own internal reviews and declassified files, like those released under the JFK Records Act of 1992, show no evidence of agency involvement. Similarly, no reliable evidence ties Israel to the event. Most historians and researchers dismiss these theories as speculative, emphasizing Oswald's lone actions, supported by ballistic evidence, witness accounts, and his documented history.

If you want, I can analyze specific X posts or web sources for these claims, but based on available data, there's no solid evidence supporting Israel or the CIA's involvement.}

 

[NOLA Dude]

LOL, that is quite the CT.

Grok, Did Israel and the CIA kill JFK?

{

The official report from the Warren Commission, established to investigate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963, concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in assassinating JFK. This finding has been supported by multiple investigations, including the FBI, the Dallas Police Department, and later reviews like the 1979 House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which found no evidence of a conspiracy involving Israel or the CIA.

However, conspiracy theories implicating Israel and the CIA have persisted. Theories about Israel often point to tensions over U.S. support for Israel's nuclear program or JFK's policies in the Middle East. Theories about the CIA cite alleged dissatisfaction with Kennedy's handling of the Bay of Pigs invasion, his firing of CIA Director Allen Dulles, or broader Cold War dynamics. Some X posts and web sources speculate about these connections, but they largely rely on unverified claims, circumstantial evidence, or discredited narratives, such as those from the 1991 book Final Judgment by Michael Collins Piper, which alleges an Israeli-Mossad link without credible proof.

No declassified documents or credible primary sources substantiate claims of Israel or the CIA orchestrating JFK's assassination. The CIA's own internal reviews and declassified files, like those released under the JFK Records Act of 1992, show no evidence of agency involvement. Similarly, no reliable evidence ties Israel to the event. Most historians and researchers dismiss these theories as speculative, emphasizing Oswald's lone actions, supported by ballistic evidence, witness accounts, and his documented history.

If you want, I can analyze specific X posts or web sources for these claims, but based on available data, there's no solid evidence supporting Israel or the CIA's involvement.}

Anyone who believes the official government story & the bs magic bullet theory has zero critical thinking skills.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyone else remember this song from 1980?

Bill Handel used to play it every morning on KFI - good times...

 

[NOLA Dude]

Fox News and all corporate media are trash and they all push war propaganda when called upon.



All they care about is the projection of force, using American service personnel to fight faraway wars.

They canned me from Fox because I criticized Zelensky, and Zelensky is close to the owners of Fox... And it's like, how did that happen?

They are deadly serious on the subject of the projection of force abroad.

They'll lecture you about the gays and the black people and science...
They don't give a shit about the science or trans people.
What they care about is the projection of force against their enemies on the other side of the globe.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyone who believes the official government story & the bs magic bullet theory has zero critical thinking skills.

I should instead go with Conspiracy Theories that lack even a shred of supporting evidence?

I don't think so.

 

[NOLA Dude]

I should instead go with Conspiracy Theories that lack even a shred of supporting evidence?

I don't think so.

Anyone who believes the magic bullet theory doesn't believe in physics.

 

[multivita-man]

This is almost certainly going in the direction of regime change, with a lot of "collateral damage" (i.e., dead Iranian civilians and destroyed neighborhoods) to boot.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Fox News and all corporate media are trash and they all push war propaganda when called upon.



All they care about is the projection of force, using American service personnel to fight faraway wars.

They canned me from Fox because I criticized Zelensky, and Zelensky is close to the owners of Fox... And it's like, how did that happen?

They are deadly serious on the subject of the projection of force abroad.

They'll lecture you about the gays and the black people and science...
They don't give a shit about the science or trans people.
What they care about is the projection of force against their enemies on the other side of the globe.

There is no "new war."

Iran is defeated. Israel flies at will over their capitol and they can do nothing to stop them.

The USA will not become involved and has no need to. Russia, China, and North Korea all stayed out of it as Iran was crushed.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

The Tucker wing of MAGA appears to be upset that Iran is getting pantsed.

Russia needs them Shahed parts.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyone who believes the magic bullet theory doesn't believe in physics.

Conspiracy theorists love to jump around in whack-a-mole fashion, spouting one crazy theory after another. You made an utterly insane and completely unsupported claim that "Israel killed JFK."

When called on it, you're off to some other nutty and unsupported claim.

You know Trump opened the archives, right? There is evidence of a second shooter, but there is also no question that LHO shot Kennedy.

 

[NOLA Dude]

There is no "new war."

Have you been sleeping the last few days?

Iran is defeated. Israel flies at will over their capitol and they can do nothing to stop them.

Iran is defeated? Hows Isreal stopping those ballistic missiles? Oh wait they aren't because the Iron Dome is powerless against ballistic missles.

You should try getting some news from outside the corporate media which is beholden to Isreal.

The USA will not become involved and has no need to. Russia, China, and North Korea all stayed out of it as Iran was crushed.

We are already involved. What makes you think the war is over? Did you think the missle attacks have stopped?