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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.

Oh. There is no doubt that our whole system of civil rights has gone badly screwy. The problem is, what to do about it. There are so many decisions we have made the wrong way and problems that have followed from the decisions and new decisions we made wrong and..... it's hard to say where to begin.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.

That post makes a lot of sense. Who should clean up the hoods is the question I have. They're internal. In the old Mafia neighborhoods, everybody knew the power structure, who was in charge, who enforced, who finked, who collected, etc. The neighborhood has some responsibility to police some of this when it is youths. Does it represent a failure of Black social attitudes and behaviors? Are these creeps aggrandized in the social structure? I don't think this is all potentially Cop curable. I think the Community must organize to have a successful cure.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.

yes the problem is huge and only the strongest or luckiest survive and make it out alive
 

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Oh. There is no doubt that our whole system of civil rights has gone badly screwy. The problem is, what to do about it. There are so many decisions we have made the wrong way and problems that have followed from the decisions and new decisions we made wrong and..... it's hard to say where to begin.

IMO it was the rush to balance the equation during the period of reverse-discrimination we call "Affirmative Action" that has led to this problem today.

We American's don't like to take our time to get things right. We prefer to rush things, and then try to fix the problems caused by rushing afterwards. Usually by throwing money at whatever pops up which serves to cause even more problems later.

So what was Society's answer to 400 years of bad policy and social oppression? Let's give unqualified, under-educated, ill-trained people access to jobs and functions they were incapable of handling. When this proved problematic, we just covered up the social stresses with more and more social aid programs.

Sixty years later we have two generations of entitled citizens many of whom blame everyone else for their failure to achieve rather than learning to knuckle down and strive to succeed on their own merits/efforts.

The man on the radio was right. I observed the same thing in the 60's, 70's and 80's when Affirmative Action was in it's hay-day. A sharp division of my peers between those who committed to hard work and proper use of the new advantages and the greater majority who denigrated those involved as being "uncle toms" and "new slaves" etc.

IMO what we should have done was evened the playing field by supporting education and vocational training access programs, coupled with work-experience programs. Then passing anti-discrimination laws that emphasized training, ability and experience rather than simply the color of one's skin. That way minority youth would have been indoctrinated with the go-getter initiative which made our country great, rather than this idea of entitlement simply because of what great-grandpa had experienced.
 
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That post makes a lot of sense. Who should clean up the hoods is the question I have. They're internal. In the old Mafia neighborhoods, everybody knew the power structure, who was in charge, who enforced, who finked, who collected, etc. The neighborhood has some responsibility to police some of this when it is youths. Does it represent a failure of Black social attitudes and behaviors? Are these creeps aggrandized in the social structure? I don't think this is all potentially Cop curable. I think the Community must organize to have a successful cure.

It takes more than just cops. And, cops acting like the Getapo are never going to help matters. What is needed is a community bond between police and the responsible citizens in that community. There is no reason for cops to harass law abiding citizens, and the law abiding should be very motivated to assist good cops do their jobs.

This relationship between the police and the rest of the community has deteriorated to unmanageable levels. Cops see an enemy in every face; citizens see cops as Brownshirts. No one wins at that point. It's totally different relationship than we have here in my neighborhood, where cops and people who do not break the law are in partnership.
 

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That post makes a lot of sense. Who should clean up the hoods is the question I have. They're internal. In the old Mafia neighborhoods, everybody knew the power structure, who was in charge, who enforced, who finked, who collected, etc. The neighborhood has some responsibility to police some of this when it is youths. Does it represent a failure of Black social attitudes and behaviors? Are these creeps aggrandized in the social structure? I don't think this is all potentially Cop curable. I think the Community must organize to have a successful cure.

Yep, the no snitch culture that is content to rely on the "safety net" playing victim will remain largely trapped in urban squalor.
 

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It takes more than just cops. And, cops acting like the Getapo are never going to help matters. What is needed is a community bond between police and the responsible citizens in that community. There is no reason for cops to harass law abiding citizens, and the law abiding should be very motivated to assist good cops do their jobs.

This relationship between the police and the rest of the community has deteriorated to unmanageable levels. Cops see an enemy in every face; citizens see cops as Brownshirts. No one wins at that point. It's totally different relationship than we have here in my neighborhood, where cops and people who do not break the law are in partnership.

The threat these folks face is mostly internal - their own kin are the problem and the no snitch culture has them doomed. The legal system treats everyone as if some minor punishment will change their ways (up to about conviction #5) and the citizens know full well that ratting on a gang banger will have very dire consequences.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.
Those who seek to achieve are, sadly, often labeled as do gooders, or worse, put in their place

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.
It must be hell to live in fear while trying to do what is right
The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.
We often hear, or see, those who want to see justice served, but are too scared to come forward. Not just because of threats from perps, but the brainwashing that has taken place. Cops bad...don't get involved.
Our race pimps are superior in feeding the sentiment, and it trickles down from there

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.
It is more lucrative to create strive. It is also more popular to report what is often sensationalized, it makes for better ratings.
We need more good news and good news worthy deeds. We need to look for what unites us, not what divides us. Everyone deserves dignity, all lives matter.
 

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IMO it was the rush to balance the equation during the period of reverse-discrimination we call "Affirmative Action" that has led to this problem today.

We American's don't like to take our time to get things right. We prefer to rush things, and then try to fix the problems caused by rushing afterwards. Usually by throwing money at whatever pops up which serves to cause even more problems later.

So what was Society's answer to 400 years of bad policy and social oppression? Let's give unqualified, under-educated, ill-trained people access to jobs and functions they were incapable of handling. When this proved problematic, we just covered up the social stresses with more and more social aid programs.

Sixty years later we have two generations of entitled citizens many of whom blame everyone else for their failure to achieve rather than learning to knuckle down and strive to succeed on their own merits/efforts.

The man on the radio was right. I observed the same thing in the 60's, 70's and 80's when Affirmative Action was in it's hay-day. A sharp division of my peers between those who committed to hard work and proper use of the new advantages and the greater majority who denigrated those involved as being "uncle toms" and "new slaves" etc.

IMO what we should have done was evened the playing field by supporting education and vocational training access programs, coupled with work-experience programs. Then passing anti-discrimination laws that emphasized training, ability and experience rather than simply the color of one's skin. That way the go-getter initiative which made out country great would have been indoctrinated into minority youth, rather than this idea of entitlement simply because of what great-grandpa had experienced.

The man brought up another good point that I haven't heard before. He said that the new rules on discrimination have actually backfired.

His argument was that it is actually harder now for a young black man to get an opportunity to prove himself in an office environment because potential employers are now hesitant to hire a black person for fear that some email or overheard off-color joke will result in a lawsuit. He was quick to add that those remarks and comments are of course offensive and inappropriate, but often too the comment which someone finds offensive may have been nothing more than an inadvertent micro-aggression that then gets blown way out of proportion. That employers would rather just not hire a minority than deal with policing political correctness is simply a good business decision.

I guess affirmative action alleviates some of the resistance, and it actually gives an incentive to hire the minority and police the garbage some racists are apt to spew. But, it still does not help an honest hard working black person because it now puts the stigma of being hired because he is black into the equation. Best would be if everyone was hired on their own merits and racial slander was simply a thing of the past. We're probably nowhere near that point though.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.

This rhetoric based on total hearsay has a problem. In the context of Ferguson, the city was using the police dept as revenue source, the dept was going after poor individuals, writing huge numbers of citations that could not be paid, impounding vehicles, generally creating vicious cycles from which large numbers of citizens could not escape from economically. This was not the creation of "social justice warriors", it is something the culture warriors need to ignore while they spout their rhetoric cloaked in tales of what some black supposedly said.
 

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This rhetoric based on total hearsay has a problem. In the context of Ferguson, the city was using the police dept as revenue source, the dept was going after poor individuals, writing huge numbers of citations that could not be paid, impounding vehicles, generally creating vicious cycles from which large numbers of citizens could not escape from economically. This was not the creation of "social justice warriors", it is something the culture warriors need to ignore while they spout their rhetoric cloaked in tales of what some black supposedly said.

Ferguson maybe had some problems, but the place was burned to the ground because a cop shot a criminal who attacked him. Had the protests centered about general police abuse, and had no one tried to portray Michael Brown as some innocent victim of police brutality, the "culture warriors" may have had no choice but to pay attention. Instead, we ended up with a riot based on lies.
 

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Ferguson maybe had some problems, but the place was burned to the ground because a cop shot a criminal who attacked him. Had the protests centered about general police abuse, and had no one tried to portray Michael Brown as some innocent victim of police brutality, the "culture warriors" may have had no choice but to pay attention. Instead, we ended up with a riot based on lies.
Ferguson, front and center, was about a breakdown in the relationship between the police and the majority black community, if you don't understand that, you dont understand anything at all about Ferguson. The problem in Ferguson was not the LACK of policing, it was about the overwhelming misapplication of police activity, one centered FOR YEARS on using the police as a source of revenue for the city. It was all about TOO MUCH policing in the form of citations, not as you want to portray it as "the thugs taking over". You have tried to flip the script, it doesn't work unless you rely on ignorance and something you heard from someone on "duh radio". Further, the shootings of blacks and other minorities is again not caused by a lack of police action, but the misuse/abuse of police power, something that is being proven true by the widespread availability of video evidence.

The base problem, the root of all of the ills, is the lack of economic development, it is reflected in the massive differences in unemployment between whites and other ethnicities. And as far as crime, it makes no difference the color of the skin, the more poor a community is, the higher the level of crime.

When you have a police force squeezing the community it is supposed to serve through revenue generating enforcement....on top of all of the other race issues of the force and govt not a representation of the community, you end up with breakdowns like Ferguson.
 

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Ferguson, front and center, was about a breakdown in the relationship between the police and the majority black community, if you don't understand that, you dont understand anything at all about Ferguson. The problem in Ferguson was not the LACK of policing, it was about the overwhelming misapplication of police activity, one centered FOR YEARS on using the police as a source of revenue for the city. It was all about TOO MUCH policing in the form of citations, not as you want to portray it as "the thugs taking over". You have tried to flip the script, it doesn't work unless you rely on ignorance and something you heard from someone on "duh radio". Further, the shootings of blacks and other minorities is again not caused by a lack of police action, but the misuse/abuse of police power, something that is being proven true by the widespread availability of video evidence.

The base problem, the root of all of the ills, is the lack of economic development, it is reflected in the massive differences in unemployment between whites and other ethnicities. And as far as crime, it makes no difference the color of the skin, the more poor a community is, the higher the level of crime.

When you have a police force squeezing the community it is supposed to serve through revenue generating enforcement....on top of all of the other race issues of the force and govt not a representation of the community, you end up with breakdowns like Ferguson.

The Ferguson riot erupted because the court would not send an innocent man to trial in order to appease the mob which wanted a witch hunt. Plain and simple.

The issue of inappropriate police practices in Ferguson coupled with a corrupt civil government which used the police as a revenue stream is separate from the fact that the rioters rallied around a criminal who was shot attacking a cop. Choose your battles wisely; don't hang onto weak martyrs. There is a lesson there. Learn it.
 

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Ferguson, front and center, was about a breakdown in the relationship between the police and the majority black community, if you don't understand that, you dont understand anything at all about Ferguson. The problem in Ferguson was not the LACK of policing, it was about the overwhelming misapplication of police activity, one centered FOR YEARS on using the police as a source of revenue for the city. It was all about TOO MUCH policing in the form of citations, not as you want to portray it as "the thugs taking over". You have tried to flip the script, it doesn't work unless you rely on ignorance and something you heard from someone on "duh radio". Further, the shootings of blacks and other minorities is again not caused by a lack of police action, but the misuse/abuse of police power, something that is being proven true by the widespread availability of video evidence.

The base problem, the root of all of the ills, is the lack of economic development, it is reflected in the massive differences in unemployment between whites and other ethnicities. And as far as crime, it makes no difference the color of the skin, the more poor a community is, the higher the level of crime.

When you have a police force squeezing the community it is supposed to serve through revenue generating enforcement....on top of all of the other race issues of the force and govt not a representation of the community, you end up with breakdowns like Ferguson.

Any town, Ferguson, Baltimore...doesn't come about in one night, isn't about one incident. It is much more than that. It is not just people of color who are wronged. We all should agree that things can go horribly wrong, and trust erodes. Fact.
But the haters must stop the hatred, must be put in their place.
We live in the here and now. So what do we do? Let us identify the problems, actual problems, and move forward looking for solutions.
We can do without the hysterics and the hate/race mongers. They thrive on division, they won't make things better. We must realize that we need each other....society 101.
 

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This rhetoric based on total hearsay has a problem. In the context of Ferguson, the city was using the police dept as revenue source, the dept was going after poor individuals, writing huge numbers of citations that could not be paid, impounding vehicles, generally creating vicious cycles from which large numbers of citizens could not escape from economically. This was not the creation of "social justice warriors", it is something the culture warriors need to ignore while they spout their rhetoric cloaked in tales of what some black supposedly said.

The DOJ didn't mention the report by the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program as listing Ferguson as a high crime "crap hole" long before the shooting ever happened.

The problems in the Ferguson black community go far deeper than traffic tickets.

According to the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program, which provides crime statistics for every city in Missouri according to age, sex, crime type and race since 2001 (the Justice Department report examined only a sample size of the last three years):

• Since 2001, 18,608 people have been arrested in Ferguson; 84 percent have been black.

• Since 2001, 469 people have been arrested for burglary in Ferguson; 91 percent of them have been black.

• Since 2001, 287 people have been arrested for weapons charges in Ferguson; 90 percent were black.

• Since 2001, nine people have been arrested for murder in Ferguson. Eight of the nine were black.

• Since 2001, 28 people have been arrested in Ferguson for rape. All were black.

• Since 2001, 133 people have been arrested for robbery in Ferguson; 88 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 147 people have been arrested for motor-vehicle theft in Ferguson; 92.5 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 4,882 people have been arrested for larceny in Ferguson; 80 percent were black.
 

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Any town, Ferguson, Baltimore...doesn't come about in one night, isn't about one incident. It is much more than that. It is not just people of color who are wronged. We all should agree that things can go horribly wrong, and trust erodes. Fact.
But the haters must stop the hatred, must be put in their place.
We live in the here and now. So what do we do? Let us identify the problems, actual problems, and move forward looking for solutions.
We can do without the hysterics and the hate/race mongers. They thrive on division, they won't make things better. We must realize that we need each other....society 101.

Correct. No one ever achieved social justice by pushing a lie. The truth would actually have served those people much better. Trying to railroad an innocent man set back the hope for real change. It certainly did not help their cause, and it created tremendous animosity between them and potential allies.
 

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The Ferguson riot erupted because the court would not send an innocent man to trial in order to appease the mob which wanted a witch hunt. Plain and simple.
The riot was an expression of MANY things, it wasn't as if it was a happy little community that suddenly exploded because a cop shot and killed a citizen. Your narrative ABSOLUTELY relies on a simplistic story...because it has to.

The issue of inappropriate police practices in Ferguson coupled with a corrupt civil government which used the police as a revenue stream is separate from the fact that the rioters rallied around a criminal who was shot attacking a cop.
So is your narrative going to morph into "The rioters are the thugs stopping the kids from getting a job"? Your obsessive mis-focus and mis-diagnosis on the riot is distracting you from your original point, that the lack of policing is the issue in communities like Ferguson. You grabbed on to the riot as if it explains everything about Ferguson, it doesn't, it was a release that has now brought focus on what is really wrong in communities like Ferguson, and it is not a lack of policing, in point of fact it is the exact OPPOSITE. The city switched to using civil violations when other revenue sources (mainly tax revenues) declined after the crash. Of course, that was about the worst thing to do since those that were getting hit with the stepped up enforcement....were the segment of the population hardest hit by the recession.
 

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Last night, I heard a Black gentleman say something on the radio that does not get enough attention. He pointed out that the problem is not too much policing in the Black community, but rather not enough. His example was that whenever a Black youth tries to do good: get a job, go to school, pursue the American dream, etc.; the thugs in the hood will inevitably make his life miserable.

According to this guy, there is a gauntlet from hell to navigate for anyone trying to rise out of the slum. Harassment from gangs, drug addicts, other youths, etc. is common. Go to the bus stop, get robbed. Walk home from school, get beaten up. Carry books, they get vandalized...that sort of thing. He said the thing the community needs is community policing: cops walking the beat. Lots of them.

The gist of his argument was that this black lives matter crap has created animosity between the community and the only people who can possibly save them--the police. The lie that the police is out to get them has created a dangerous environment for those cops. Hence, fewer are going into the community. And, the idea of them walking a beat, in areas where now they may end up ambushed and shot at by a sniper or attacked by a lunatic, is off the table. Cops now just go into those areas when called and crimes have already been committed.

That is a huge problem. And, the Social Justice Warriors who have created this animosity and are stoking the flames of social unrest and cop-hating are to blame for it getting worse.

Dunno.

Seems to me that a neighborhood watch might help; the community helping themselves, rather than depending on the police for it all. But I have to admit that this is just me on the outside looking in.
 

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The DOJ didn't mention the report by the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program as listing Ferguson as a high crime "crap hole" long before the shooting ever happened.

The problems in the Ferguson black community go far deeper than traffic tickets.

According to the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program, which provides crime statistics for every city in Missouri according to age, sex, crime type and race since 2001 (the Justice Department report examined only a sample size of the last three years):

• Since 2001, 18,608 people have been arrested in Ferguson; 84 percent have been black.

• Since 2001, 469 people have been arrested for burglary in Ferguson; 91 percent of them have been black.

• Since 2001, 287 people have been arrested for weapons charges in Ferguson; 90 percent were black.

• Since 2001, nine people have been arrested for murder in Ferguson. Eight of the nine were black.

• Since 2001, 28 people have been arrested in Ferguson for rape. All were black.

• Since 2001, 133 people have been arrested for robbery in Ferguson; 88 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 147 people have been arrested for motor-vehicle theft in Ferguson; 92.5 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 4,882 people have been arrested for larceny in Ferguson; 80 percent were black.

GMST will probably say those are racist stats. Cops singling out blacks or something silly like that.

Who knows? Maybe the argument will be those 9 murders were actually committed by whites, but 8 of them were pinned on innocent black men. I've seen crazy arguments like that before. So, nothing surprises me anymore.
 

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I often wonder what Dr. King would say and do, were he alive today. If we are to judge each other by our character, so many fall short....cops, criminals, blacks, whites, liberals and conservatives, christians and atheists. So needless to say, if someone does wrong, he or she must answer. Don't let them get away with something because they are ___________, but if they are innocent, also don't be their judge and jury because___________
 

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Have any of you ever been to Ferguson? I used to run Airport Road & Florissant Road all the time with time sensitive parts in my Expedite driving days.

Not a nice place then, and no better today.
 

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The DOJ didn't mention the report by the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program as listing Ferguson as a high crime "crap hole" long before the shooting ever happened.

The problems in the Ferguson black community go far deeper than traffic tickets.

According to the Missouri Uniform Crime Reporting Program, which provides crime statistics for every city in Missouri according to age, sex, crime type and race since 2001 (the Justice Department report examined only a sample size of the last three years):

• Since 2001, 18,608 people have been arrested in Ferguson; 84 percent have been black.

• Since 2001, 469 people have been arrested for burglary in Ferguson; 91 percent of them have been black.

• Since 2001, 287 people have been arrested for weapons charges in Ferguson; 90 percent were black.

• Since 2001, nine people have been arrested for murder in Ferguson. Eight of the nine were black.

• Since 2001, 28 people have been arrested in Ferguson for rape. All were black.

• Since 2001, 133 people have been arrested for robbery in Ferguson; 88 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 147 people have been arrested for motor-vehicle theft in Ferguson; 92.5 percent were black.

• Since 2001, 4,882 people have been arrested for larceny in Ferguson; 80 percent were black.
Though blacks make up only two-thirds of Ferguson’s population, nearly nine-tenths of vehicle stops in Ferguson involve black drivers. Those drivers are almost twice as likely as white drivers to be searched and twice as likely to be arrested. That’s despite the fact that searches of black drivers result in discovery of contraband 22% of the time, while white drivers searched by police are found to have contraband 34% of the time.

The Ferguson Police Dept was 94% white in 2014.
 

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GMST will probably say those are racist stats. Cops singling out blacks or something silly like that.

Who knows? Maybe the argument will be those 9 murders were actually committed by whites, but 8 of them were pinned on innocent black men. I've seen crazy arguments like that before. So, nothing surprises me anymore.
I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of imagined answers from me, just like you can start a thread based on non-attributed comments by something you heard by some on a show somewhere.....instead of actually using fact based argument from reputable sources....and sticking to said argument.
 

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GMST will probably say those are racist stats. Cops singling out blacks or something silly like that.

Who knows? Maybe the argument will be those 9 murders were actually committed by whites, but 8 of them were pinned on innocent black men. I've seen crazy arguments like that before. So, nothing surprises me anymore.

I used to hang out in Ferguson waiting on parts flown into the airport. I drove for a expediter trucking company and ended up going there a few dozen times. I needed to sit nearby, because the airport wouldn't let us park on the property. I would park along Airport Rd. I had a few run in's with the local thugs who would come up to the truck wanting money, or asking what was in the truck.
 
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