Bill would ban the teaching of scientific theories in Montana schools

[CaughtInThe]

Hey, can't teach that science stuff. But I'd say the religion stuff is gonna be pushed (if it's not already)...



Here's the asshole who proposed it...

"More than 20 people testified against Senate Bill 235, concerned that it could keep teachers from including gravitational theory, evolution and cell theory in curriculum.

Mia Taylor is a sophomore at Helena High School. She told the committee, "If we remove scientific theory from science curriculums, what can be taught will be limited. It is the school's job to educate its students."

 

[Deuce]

They're trying to make us into Iran.

 

[Candyman]

There is no gravity. God just sucks…..

 

[Gateman_Wen]

Hey, can't teach that science stuff. But I'd say the religion stuff is gonna be pushed (if it's not already)...



Here's the asshole who proposed it...

"More than 20 people testified against Senate Bill 235, concerned that it could keep teachers from including gravitational theory, evolution and cell theory in curriculum.

Mia Taylor is a sophomore at Helena High School. She told the committee, "If we remove scientific theory from science curriculums, what can be taught will be limited. It is the school's job to educate its students."

The problem here is that republicans don't understand the difference between a scientific theory and what they came up with while smokin' dope in their cousin's basement.

If we could drive that through those ossified crainums then at least maybe they could still get gravity and thermodynamics and such.

 

[Gateman_Wen]

There is no gravity. God just sucks…..

There is no god, it's the earth that sucks.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0235.pdf

Pure stupidity. No doubt, an attempt to ensure that the right wing bogeyman, CRT, isn’t taught in MT K-12 public schools.

 

[SkyChief]

The OP mischaracterizes Senate Bill 235. This is probably intentional.

The purpose of K-12 education is to educate children in the facts of our world to better prepare them for their future and further education in their chosen field of study, and to that end, children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; and WHEREAS, a scientific fact is observable and repeatable, and if it does not meet these criteria, it is a theory that is defined as speculation and is for higher education to explore, debate, and test to ultimately reach a scientific conclusion of fact or fiction.

This makes sense. Children need to be able to distinguish between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Liberal educators are panicking because they know they won't be able to ram garbage down their students' throats like they have in the past.

It's a good bill.

 

[Redress]

For the record: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0235.pdf

Edit: Damn you guys for beating me to it!

 

[beefheart]

Hey, can't teach that science stuff. But I'd say the religion stuff is gonna be pushed (if it's not already)...



Here's the asshole who proposed it...

"More than 20 people testified against Senate Bill 235, concerned that it could keep teachers from including gravitational theory, evolution and cell theory in curriculum.

Mia Taylor is a sophomore at Helena High School. She told the committee, "If we remove scientific theory from science curriculums, what can be taught will be limited. It is the school's job to educate its students."

They wallow in ignorance, they want our kids to be as stupid as they are.

Talibornagain nutsacks.

 

[multivita-man]

They're trying to make us into Iran.

They always have been; it's just that now they have the tools to amplify their message while plutocrats are engaged in a separate effort to discredit objective reporting. Democracy depends on people being informed, and increasingly, the enemies of democracy are succeeding at fighting an informed public.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The OP mischaracterizes Senate Bill 235. This is probably intentional.

The purpose of K-12 education is to educate children in the facts of our world to better prepare them for their future and further education in their chosen field of study, and to that end, children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; and WHEREAS, a scientific fact is observable and repeatable, and if it does not meet these criteria, it is a theory that is defined as speculation and is for higher education to explore, debate, and test to ultimately reach a scientific conclusion of fact or fiction.

This makes sense. Children need to be able to distinguish between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Liberal educators are panicking because they know they won't be able to ram garbage down their students' throats like they have in the past.

It's a good bill.

So you’re good with children not being taught about man’s evolution, the “Big Bang”, and other virtually universally accepted theories?

 

[SkyChief]

So you’re good with children not being taught about man’s evolution, the “Big Bang”, and other virtually universally accepted theories?

The proposed bill does not preclude children from learning about 'universally accepted theories'. The Bill merely forces teachers to help students make the distinction between scientific theory and scientific fact.

 

[multivita-man]

The OP mischaracterizes Senate Bill 235. This is probably intentional.

The purpose of K-12 education is to educate children in the facts of our world to better prepare them for their future and further education in their chosen field of study, and to that end, children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; and WHEREAS, a scientific fact is observable and repeatable, and if it does not meet these criteria, it is a theory that is defined as speculation and is for higher education to explore, debate, and test to ultimately reach a scientific conclusion of fact or fiction.

This makes sense. Children need to be able to distinguish between scientific theory and scientific fact.

I think someone needs to go back to high school and re-learn what scientific theory is.

A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world and universe that has been repeatedly tested and corroborated in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.[1][2] In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.[3]

Scientific theory is established on the bedrock of many, many scientific facts.

The word you were looking for was h-y-p-o-t-h-e-s-i-s, not theory.

Maybe go back to school and learn something before posting about what children should or should not be exposed to.

 

[Redress]

The OP mischaracterizes Senate Bill 235. This is probably intentional.

The purpose of K-12 education is to educate children in the facts of our world to better prepare them for their future and further education in their chosen field of study, and to that end, children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; and WHEREAS, a scientific fact is observable and repeatable, and if it does not meet these criteria, it is a theory that is defined as speculation and is for higher education to explore, debate, and test to ultimately reach a scientific conclusion of fact or fiction.

This makes sense. Children need to be able to distinguish between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Liberal educators are panicking because they know they won't be able to ram garbage down their students' throats like they have in the past.

It's a good bill.

Well, no. First off, "scientific fact" really is not used much by scientists because nothing in science is ever final. A scientific theory is not speculative. Until testing and observation has confirmed it, it is not a theory, it is a hypothesis(which is speculative).

Now, let's look at what would not be teachable under the bill: Quantum theory, Quantum Elecrodynamics(the theory that led to the development of CDs, but not observable), evolution, gravitational theory, thermodynamics, any theory involving subatomic particles, the Big Bang, and many, many, many more.

 

[SkyChief]

I think someone needs to go back to high school and re-learn what scientific theory is.



Scientific theory is established on the bedrock of many, many scientific facts.

The word you were looking for was h-y-p-o-t-h-e-s-i-s, not theory.

Maybe go back to school and learn something before posting about what children should or should not be exposed to.

Read the preface of the bill.

It plainly states "children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; ".

 

[Redress]

The proposed bill does not preclude children from learning about 'universally accepted theories'. The Bill merely forces teachers to help students make the distinction between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Quote from the bill:

(1) Science instruction may not include subject matter that is not scientific fact.18
(2) The board of public education may not include in content area standards any standard19
requiring curriculum or instruction in a scientific topic that is not scientific fact.20
(3) The superintendent of public instruction shall ensure that any science curriculum guides21
developed by the office of public instruction include only scientific fact.

 

[Michael Cole]

The OP mischaracterizes Senate Bill 235. This is probably intentional.

The purpose of K-12 education is to educate children in the facts of our world to better prepare them for their future and further education in their chosen field of study, and to that end, children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; and WHEREAS, a scientific fact is observable and repeatable, and if it does not meet these criteria, it is a theory that is defined as speculation and is for higher education to explore, debate, and test to ultimately reach a scientific conclusion of fact or fiction.

This makes sense. Children need to be able to distinguish between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Liberal educators are panicking because they know they won't be able to ram garbage down their students' throats like they have in the past.

It's a good bill.

Theories explain facts. That populations change over time is a fact. The theory of evolution explains this fact. Theories are not speculation.

This is an attempt to corral uneducated people into believing a scientific theory is a guess. It's a dishonest bill.

 

[multivita-man]

Well, no. First off, "scientific fact" really is not used much by scientists because nothing in science is ever final. A scientific theory is not speculative. Until testing and observation has confirmed it, it is not a theory, it is a hypothesis(which is speculative).

Now, let's look at what would not be teachable under the bill: Quantum theory, Quantum Elecrodynamics(the theory that led to the development of CDs, but not observable), evolution, gravitational theory, thermodynamics, any theory involving subatomic particles, the Big Bang, and many, many, many more.

Looks like we tag-teamed him, lol

 

[RaleBulgarian]

The proposed bill does not preclude children from learning about 'universally accepted theories'. The Bill merely forces teachers to help students make the distinction between scientific theory and scientific fact.

Wrong. The bill explicitly forbids the teaching of anything not proven as “fact”.

Read my post #6 for improved understanding.

 

[multivita-man]

Read the preface of the bill.

It plainly states "children must know the difference between scientific fact and scientific theory; ".

Clearly need to work on your comprehension. Now go to your room - the adults are talking.

Hence, the bill is just as idiotic as what you posted. You - and pretty much every conservative - needs to go back to night school and learn what science is.

 

[justoneman]

Hey, can't teach that science stuff. But I'd say the religion stuff is gonna be pushed (if it's not already)...



Here's the asshole who proposed it...

"More than 20 people testified against Senate Bill 235, concerned that it could keep teachers from including gravitational theory, evolution and cell theory in curriculum.

Mia Taylor is a sophomore at Helena High School. She told the committee, "If we remove scientific theory from science curriculums, what can be taught will be limited. It is the school's job to educate its students."

Do you have a link to anything on this?

 

[CaughtInThe]

For the record: https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0235.pdf

Edit: Damn you guys for beating me to it!

Slacker

 

[multivita-man]

Your little tantrum is noted.

And appreciated.

Not a tantrum; it's pretty apparent you don't have the slightest ****ing clue what the scientific method is, but that didn't stop you from opining on the topic, just as it doesn't stop idiots from trying to legislate the topic. You wouldn't know a scientific fact if you bent over and Isaac Newton shoved his apple and his laws of physics up your ass.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I think someone needs to go back to high school and re-learn what scientific theory is.



Scientific theory is established on the bedrock of many, many scientific facts.

The word you were looking for was h-y-p-o-t-h-e-s-i-s, not theory.

Maybe go back to school and learn something before posting about what children should or should not be exposed to.

My guess is that the moron Montanan Republican legislator was attempting to preclude Critical Race Theory from being taught in public K-12 schools which, as anyone paying attention to the whole right wing bogeyman nonsense already knows, CRT is not being taught in any public K-12 school anywhere in America.

 

[SkyChief]

. . . Now, let's look at what would not be teachable under the bill: Quantum theory, Quantum Elecrodynamics(the theory that led to the development of CDs, but not observable), evolution, gravitational theory, thermodynamics, any theory involving subatomic particles, the Big Bang, and many, many, many more.

That's a valid point.

However children can still learn about those theories on their own. Theoretical science will no longer be part of the classroom curricula.