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They had been onto Weaver for years. He was a smart criminal.
Which militia group did he head up?
They had been onto Weaver for years. He was a smart criminal.
All you guys that want white only business are so out there. Did you know him personally?
Which militia group did he head up?
where do you get off saying such idiocy. I never met weaver. Just his attorney and an FBI agent who was part of the review team
Well you are both white separateists. You seem really personally involved. Why is it odd to think you knew him?
So you lose this discussion because you are ignorant of the facts so your next tactic is to basically call me a racist for pointing out that you have demonstrated malignant ignorance about the subject.
Being a white separatist is not something I approve of but it doesn't make someone a criminal or justify murdering his son and wife and shooting him when he was not engaging in a lethal threat to anyone
do you think all whites who don't buy into your views are also racist
I think MOVE was a bunch of racist blacks but that didn't justify the Mayor of Philly having them bombed either
That's a lot.
I assume you knew him because you are so emotionally involved. So much so that you have talked to his attorney and to the FBI. So you say.
I assume you knew him through being a white separatist as I have noticed you have started a lot of threads and seem obsessed with business not having to serve minorities anymore. Weaver was also obsessed with that.
telling the truth now means I am emotionally involved? LOL you show how little time you have spent on DP. I Just like trashing silly arguments that are based on lies. Nothing personal. Its what I do for entertainment.
what threads have I started that "seem obsessed"
I am a person who takes the tenth amendment seriously and I don't believe the federal government has the proper power to tell a business who they should serve. You, like many leftwingers, cannot fathom that someone could argue something should be legal even if they don't personally approve of it
but there are lots of things I think should be legal but I don't approve of personally
1) smoking tobacco or dope
2) not serving people due to their race, color, creed, hairstyle, personal hygiene or age
3) engaging in polygamy, adultery, prostitution etc
4) refusing to associate with others based on race, religion, sexual preferences or style in clothing or sports team alliances
etc etc etc
I happen to know a lot about the weaver case because I attended a speech by his attorney who is seen by many as one of the top trial attorneys in the USA and me being a trial attorney, I try to learn from some of the best.
You sure seem emotionally involved to me.
Also, you harp on the not having to serve minorities a lot. You and Weaver have that in common. Now you say your not a separatist and I can understand why you wouldn't want anyone to know.
I will just have to take your word for it.
JEez is that stupid. Weaver didn't want to JOIN anything which is why the feds entrapped him in an effort to get him to infiltrate a white supremacist group. HE was the head of a family that consisted of a son (shot in the back by USDM Sam Deegan) a wife (shot in the head by FBI sniper Lon Horuichi) a baby (held by Vicky Weaver when she was murdered) and a friend Kevin Harris who was acquitted for the justifiable killing of the USDM who murdered sammy weaver
You seem unable to actually fabricate a logical argument. You tend to spew the race card like squid spews ink when its about to become shark bait. In both cases it involves a creature about to get sliced and diced so it squirts crap
Weaver was absolutely a separatist.
Not to mention that the government paid out around 3 million to the family and Harris to settle the suits out of court, it was never proved that Weaver had anything to do with the sawed off shotgun, and he had refused to cut it off at least one time, and even if he was the head of the Aryan nation (which he was not), that is still not grounds for a warrantless invasion of his property.
Weaver and his army of 3 held off over 200 government armed police for over 10 days. If anything, Ruby Ridge demonstrated the need to be armed, not the reverse.
Wow he held off 200 agents for 10 days. That was some arsenal he was keeping. Wonder if he planned to attack the government all along.
Wow he held off 200 agents for 10 days. That was some arsenal he was keeping. Wonder if he planned to attack the government all along.
Another lie
what illegal weapons was he convicted of having?
I have no idea how much of an arsenal he had, nor whether or not he planned on attacking the government. If you know, please link me. What I do know based on the evidence presented at the trial is that all the incident occurred on his land, he never went looking for a problem. He was never charged with illegal possession of a gun, and he beat all but 2 of the 12 charges brought, one of which the judge ignored, and the other basically was settled with time served and a short sentence.
I said he obviously had quite an.arsenal as he held off 200 agents for ten days.
I did not comment on any criminal convictions. No need to try and distract.
Also the Aryan Nation is a terrorist organization.
Because of people like Bill Maher. I joined the NRA last year. Maher, Piers and Mikey Moore can lick my NRA membership card!
1) that is stupid and has no basis in fact-
2) was there any evidence of an arsenal or is it just the 21st lie you have pulled out of your shorts
3) AN might be but Weaver wasn't a member of it
remember the citation you provided-the feds were hoping he'd be able to infiltrate it. if he was a member that wouldn't be what they said
do you consider whites to be terrorists whether they are separatists or just ones who don't buy your BS?
I said he obviously had quite an.arsenal as he held off 200 agents for ten days.
I did not comment on any criminal convictions. No need to try and distract.
Also the Aryan Nation is a terrorist organization.
Only whites who belong to groups like Aryan Nation. Why some people get so violent because minorities can eat at any establishment is odd but hey some people thought slavery was a state right too.
It is not obvious to me. You would think that if Weaver had any illegal weapons in his possession government would have at least used that evidence to help cover the egg all over their face after a settlement was negotiated.
For all I know, he held them off with a box of rocks.
The Aryan Nation has been at times described as a terrorist organization by the government, but I have not heard of any other evidence to that statement. Once again, please enlighten me. I'm willing to learn.
I mean when the government outright says "we ****ed up" there is no more argument against Weaver.you seem to have some abnormal hate for weaver given how many bald faced lies you have spewed about him