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Biden: Tea partiers like 'terrorists'

Yeah. Democrats used to be racists. TeaPublicans are racists. Not a difficult point to grasp.

Some tea party supporters are racists. Some democrats are racist. Some black people are racist. Some white people are racist. No group holds a monopoly on hate.
 
The Tea Party is a political group that actually stands by what they say and are able to really make a dent in the over-spender's agenda. Hell, even on both sides, over-spenders beware.

Yes, they show how they hate govt handouts by taking govt handouts

Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies - On Congress - POLITICO.com

And the show their opposition to debt by getting into debt

Hardliners in debt talks have debt problems of their own – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
 
Remember that time when liberals swarmed onto the forum talking about the need to tone down political rhetoric, how horrible the republicans were for using such violent language, and other such things...

Bah, **** that...TERRORISTS! OUR POLITICAL ENEMIES ARE LIKE TERRORISTS!

Biden didn't say it on the campaign trail. Heck, he didn't even say it in public.

But it's OK when Palin does it, and when DPs wingnuts talk about Bill Ayers and Obamas' terrorist preacher
 
Some tea party supporters are racists. Some democrats are racist. Some black people are racist. Some white people are racist. No group holds a monopoly on hate.

But one party has the largest "market share" on racists
 
Can't really prove that, now can you?

Considering the "whiteness" of that one party compared to the other, then it is not too far fetched... something must be preventing people of non-white denomination in joining the party in large areas of the country.
 
Considering the "whiteness" of that one party compared to the other, then it is not too far fetched... something must be preventing people of non-white denomination in joining the party in large areas of the country.

And there's the fact that the overwhelming majority of blacks refuse to vote for repubs
 
Biden didn't say it on the campaign trail. Heck, he didn't even say it in public.

But it's OK when Palin does it, and when DPs wingnuts talk about Bill Ayers and Obamas' terrorist preacher

I know its hard for hyper partisans like yourself to understand, but there are people who actually take time to honestly view and react to situations. Palin insinuating Obama was a terrorist or giving support to Birther's wasn't something I agreed with, and the later actually was something I referenced often on this site as reason why I would never vote for her. I routinely called out conservatives for concentrating so much on Ayers and making a big deal about a relative non-issue, and I don't remember many calls about his preacher being a "terrorist" just rather unamerican.

Here's a shocker I'm sure will surprise you...stupid **** is stupid **** regardless of what side does it.

However, much like many on the left go on and on and on about the "hypocrisy" of the entire right when an individual on the right does something that's not in line with "family values"...when the left, including the Administration Biden is a part of, makes a gigantic deal about the "hateful" and "violent" rhetoric going on in politics and then turns around and starts equating their political enemies with TERRORISTS, the hypocrisy is on full display and its laughable watching some try to defend it. Especialy when they pull the "But...but...THEY did it!" card as an excuse.
 
Considering the "whiteness" of that one party compared to the other, then it is not too far fetched... something must be preventing people of non-white denomination in joining the party in large areas of the country.

Good old race baiting pete, in for the rescue.

So why do you suppose that black people typically vote Democrat?

Far from a simple thing to answer.

First and foremost likely family ties. Most casual political observers gain their initial feeling towards politics from their parents. Many voting age black people of today either lived during the Civil Rights movement or are childrens of members of the Civil Rights movement. In the time following that many of these individuals gravitated to support for the Democratic Party and thus in part out of loyalty/grattitude on the part of those living during it and in part based on history and family for the children, they continue voting that way.

Secondly, the majority of largely black political organizations in the country are left leaning in nature. This means blacks attempting to get involved with politics and identifying closely with their race are more likely to be brought into it from a liberal view point. This also helps establish the image, rightly or wrongly, that the Democrats cares about "black issues" while the Republicans do not. For casual voters, which makes up the majority of any race, this appearance could be enough to sway someone significantly.

Thirdly, as I pointed out in another post, unfortunantly for the black community a higher percentage of their people tend to utilize various entitlement programs that are typically championed by the left and condemned by the right. As such, human nature leads one to generally look more positively on things that helps oneself. That's not to say such a thing is right or wrong. But in general, if you're recieving some kind of social service you're more apt to view it as a good and necessary thing than someone who is not.

Fourthly, again as I pointed out with the Tea Party, image means a lot for casual voters. The Democratic Party is simply portrayed, rightly or wrongly, as the party for black people. Its similar to how they're portrayed similarly as the party for homosexuals, yet have had homosexuals in recent years say how the Democrats are simply using them by not dealing with many of their issues and just banking on them not voting Republican. The Democrats are viewed as the party move looking out for Black people, and thus its more likely that someone with little political knowledge will go that way because they believe that party is more in touch with the things they feel is important.

Fifthly, the different ideologies. Conservatism, though it doesn't always show it on a board like this, generally abhors a victim mentality. The belief that things are stacked against you so you deserve things to be balanced either equal or into your favor due to that. As such you don't normally see as many prominent Republican groups pushing say "Black" issues or "Woman" issues because often they simply see things as "Issues". This big tent, we're all the same, approach has its benefits and negatives but one of those negatives is it takes away the notion of identity grouping. While some argue its a bad thing, and at times I agree, it can also be a powerful one. Humans in many ways are hardwired to want to form into groups, cliques, societies, etc. Part of how humans do that is by identifying similarities, and race can be a powerful similarity. By forgoing the use of that as a form of recruitment you improve your message of generalized equality but you hinder yourself with the use of recruitment based on identity.

So, in general summary, my thoughts....

1) The after affects of the civil rights era
2) The prominence of left leaning black political organizations
3) The higher reliance on services supported by Democrats and opposed by Republicans
4) The perception, right or wrong, that the Democrats are more in touch with issues important to blacks
5) Conservative ideology making identity based recruitment less frequent than on the opposite side

I think all those things largely play into why many of the majority of the African American population tends to vote Democrat.

But I'm sure thinking about the issue and taking the time to objectively look at the VAST amount of potential factors isn't as easy nor helpful to your hyper partisan agenda as being able to just imply "CAUSE THEY'RE RACIST!"
 
I know its hard for hyper partisans like yourself to understand, but there are people who actually take time to honestly view and react to situations. Palin insinuating Obama was a terrorist or giving support to Birther's wasn't something I agreed with, and the later actually was something I referenced often on this site as reason why I would never vote for her. I routinely called out conservatives for concentrating so much on Ayers and making a big deal about a relative non-issue, and I don't remember many calls about his preacher being a "terrorist" just rather unamerican.

Here's a shocker I'm sure will surprise you...stupid **** is stupid **** regardless of what side does it.

However, much like many on the left go on and on and on about the "hypocrisy" of the entire right when an individual on the right does something that's not in line with "family values"...when the left, including the Administration Biden is a part of, makes a gigantic deal about the "hateful" and "violent" rhetoric going on in politics and then turns around and starts equating their political enemies with TERRORISTS, the hypocrisy is on full display and its laughable watching some try to defend it. Especialy when they pull the "But...but...THEY did it!" card as an excuse.

And something the hyper partisans on the right don't understand is that their party leaders, including their candidate for VP, trades in such rhetoric constantly, but they continue to support the party. Just as you object consistently, there are dems who don't support that language when it comes from a Dem. It makes no difference because politics are not decided by any one individual. So pat yourself on the back if you wish, but you're still supporting a party that issues violent rhetoric all the time.

So you might not be surprised by stupidity but you do continue to support it.

And the hypocrisy of the right is not just limited to rhetoric. Instead it infects every stated value of the right from "personal responsibility" to "keeping the govt out of our lives" And when someone on the left points it out, it is laughable to see people like you cry "But the dems do it too" and "But...but...They did it too!" card as an excuse
 
Good old race baiting pete, in for the rescue.



But I'm sure thinking about the issue and taking the time to objectively look at the VAST amount of potential factors isn't as easy nor helpful to your hyper partisan agenda as being able to just imply "CAUSE THEY'RE RACIST!"

I've looked at the VAST amt of potential factors, from Affirmative Action to Welfare, and it can all be explained by the bigoted positions of the right
 
Some tea party supporters are racists. Some democrats are racist. Some black people are racist. Some white people are racist. No group holds a monopoly on hate.

I think if you replace the first word in your post, 'some', with 'most', you're on the right track.
 
Considering the "whiteness" of that one party compared to the other, then it is not too far fetched... something must be preventing people of non-white denomination in joining the party in large areas of the country.

You're right, something is. Political policy on programs or laws which largely affect those races. Tell a crowd of Hispanics that you want to make illegal entry harder, and punishments more severe for those entering from Mexico without legal permission to do so and you'll see Hispanics siding with the other party. Tell blacks that you want to do away with Affirmative Action and other programs heavily weighted towards blacks and you'll see blacks siding with the other party. Nevermind the fact that the desire to change these polices has nothing to do with punishing people and everything to do with promoting lawfulness and personal responsibility; the spin machine does its best to make it abundantly clear that it's all about holding somebody down. It's a manipulation of fact. Clever, but counterproductive.
 
I think if you replace the first word in your post, 'some', with 'most', you're on the right track.

I think you've taken the media bait. An exaggeration of circumstances does not equal truth.
 
You're right, something is. Political policy on programs or laws which largely affect those races. Tell a crowd of Hispanics that you want to make illegal entry harder, and punishments more severe for those entering from Mexico without legal permission to do so and you'll see Hispanics siding with the other party. Tell blacks that you want to do away with Affirmative Action and other programs heavily weighted towards blacks and you'll see blacks siding with the other party. Nevermind the fact that the desire to change these polices has nothing to do with punishing people and everything to do with promoting lawfulness and personal responsibility; the spin machine does its best to make it abundantly clear that it's all about holding somebody down. It's a manipulation of fact. Clever, but counterproductive.

Like I've always said = the policies of the republican party are racist. They always see govt policies in terms of race and the justifications for the repubs policies are dishonest.

Of course the rights opposition to illegal immigration is based on punishment. That's why they refer to undocumented residents as "illegals". It's a manipulation of language and fact. Clever, but counter productive
 
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