Biden says he’s ‘the most qualified person in the country’ to be president

[MateoMtnClimber]

And Ryan gave up at about 2/3 Biden's age. :lamo
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You think Ryan is done with politics? How precious.

 

[Amelia]

And Bernie couldn't even beat her.



The well was poisoned. Hillary consistently had a likeability rating in the 60s before she announced her 2016 run. The problems do not just exist in the conservative base.



Denial is assuming that a socialist Jew who was treated with kid gloves by the Republicans had any chance to win.

LOL that you jump over to Bernie.

You jumped in to shoot down my claim that Biden would have beaten Trump handily. I know my answer to your rebuttal was sound ... but even if I didn't already know, you would be making it painfully clear since all you have left is to change the subject to Bernie.

The subject is Biden. Biden would have stomped all over Trump. But Democrats prematurely fell in line with an unpopular, uncharismatic person with an FBI cloud over her head, a cloud of her own making. She was the only person that early polling suggested Trump had a chance of beating. That is who Democrats picked, because Democrats were tone deaf about the discontent fomenting across the heartland.

If they had picked Biden, Biden would be president. Instead they acted like they were beholden to Hillary and they picked her and turned the election into a crap shoot and they lost.


Okay, your turn to double down on your denial and keep making excuses for Democrats' profoundly bad choices leading up to giving us Trump as president. Inclinations they don't seem to have fully recovered from if your excuses are any sign.

I'll let you have the last word because I feel sorry for you.

 

[TheParser]

I don't see anything about a Biden "scandal" anywhere on the internet. That's why I asked you to support what you said because it's unreasonable to tell other posters to research your unsubstantiated statements.

After looking harder, I presume that you are making reference to a plagiarism allegation. From 32 years ago. Not what I would call "scandals".

Anyway, I'm not trying to dissect your post. I just really wanted to know if Biden actually had a scandalous past of which I was unaware because the Democrats would be brain dead and comatose to nominate another candidate with baggage. Apparently the answer to my question is no.

1. I think that the Republicans could make a big deal of his plagiarism.

a. Even though it was three decades ago, the Democrats have often said that bad behavior (especially in the sexual arena) should have no statute of limitations.
b. Isn't plagiarism an indication of one's character?

2. I was loath to mention it in my other post, for some discussion forums might not allow it. I recently read about an ordinary person who on a social media platform mentioned that a current Senator had a reputation in high school for being quite obnoxious. That ordinary person claimed that his post was soon deleted.


Have a nice day.

 

[Phys251]

LOL that you jump over to Bernie.

And there it is. The attitude that Saint Bernard must be shielded from any sort of criticism.

You jumped in to shoot down my claim that Biden would have beaten Trump handily. I know my answer to your rebuttal was sound ... but even if I didn't already know, you would be making it painfully clear since all you have left is to change the subject to Bernie.

But he didn't run. So there is no way to prove or disprove your point. And you knew that when you made it, didn't you?

The subject is Biden. Biden would have stomped all over Trump. But Democrats prematurely fell in line with an unpopular, uncharismatic person with an FBI cloud over her head, a cloud of her own making. She was the only person that early polling suggested Trump had a chance of beating. That is who Democrats picked, because Democrats were tone deaf about the discontent fomenting across the heartland.

Did you miss the point I made about Hillary having popularity ratings in the 60s until she ran? It isn't just because Democrats fall in love and Republicans fall in line. It's because someone poisoned the well against Hillary's reputation. You know who did that? The Kremlin. The brocialists. It was impossible to have a civil conversation with some Sanders supporters who were as convinced as far-right conservatives that she was basically the antichrist. I've never seen anything like that in my life, and I used to be a conservative, you know.

If they had picked Biden, Biden would be president. Instead they acted like they were beholden to Hillary and they picked her and turned the election into a crap shoot and they lost.

Again, you cannot prove this.

Okay, your turn to double down on your denial and keep making excuses for Democrats' profoundly bad choices leading up to giving us Trump as president. Inclinations they don't seem to have fully recovered from if your excuses are any sign.

And here comes the "I'm right and you're wrong, and anything you say contrary to that is wrong." I'm calling Horseshoe Theory on this one.

I'll let you have the last word because I feel sorry for you.

You just don't get it, do you. You think that I'm the enemy, don't you. Well let me help you. REMEMBER WHO THE REAL ENEMY IS.

Or have you forgotten that, too? Cause if too many brocialists forget that going into the wide-open 2020 primary, we will lose the election, and we'll get four more years of tRump.

You had best remember that if you don't want what's left of our democracy to be destroyed. Or have you forgotten that, too?

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

1. I think that the Republicans could make a big deal of his plagiarism.

a. Even though it was three decades ago, the Democrats have often said that bad behavior (especially in the sexual arena) should have no statute of limitations.
b. Isn't plagiarism an indication of one's character?

2. I was loath to mention it in my other post, for some discussion forums might not allow it. I recently read about an ordinary person who on a social media platform mentioned that a current Senator had a reputation in high school for being quite obnoxious. That ordinary person claimed that his post was soon deleted.


Have a nice day.

I suppose they could, but I'm not convinced it would matter. Assuming Biden would run against Trump, a plagiarism allegation three decades old that Biden seems to have explained (adequately or not is an individual determination) seems a little insignificant compared to the lifetime of horrific deeds that Trump has committed. Maybe not. It didn't stop him in 2016, but then again, I think pretty much everyone in the country agrees that Biden would be a better competitor than HRC was.

Yes, better to err on the side of caution here. You can definitely talk about the deeds and misdeeds of political figures, though, so long as you treat the poster you are addressing with civility.

 

[Amelia]

I suppose they could, but I'm not convinced it would matter. Assuming Biden would run against Trump, a plagiarism allegation three decades old that Biden seems to have explained (adequately or not is an individual determination) seems a little insignificant compared to the lifetime of horrific deeds that Trump has committed. Maybe not. It didn't stop him in 2016, but then again, I think pretty much everyone in the country agrees that Biden would be a better competitor than HRC was.

Yes, better to err on the side of caution here. You can definitely talk about the deeds and misdeeds of political figures, though, so long as you treat the poster you are addressing with civility.

If Biden ran, any plagiarism accusations are completely neutralized by Trump's gamut of wrongdoing.

Biden would probably still beat Trump. But it's not the sure thing that it was last time. It's terribly risky running someone that old -- Biden's age would help neutralize accusations about Trump's dementia.

It's just damn sad that Democrats let things get to this point to begin with.


Trump is arguably less qualified now than when he ran the first time. When he first ran, he was ignorant but we could assume that he could learn. Now we know he never learns and revels in ignorance, but he still has the incumbency advantage, and it's a crying shame that Republicans chose him to begin with and that Democrats threw the race to him. 2020 is all kinds of complicated because so many people who reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump have now drunk the orange koolaid and are going to rally fiercely to protect their poor abused ***** grabber.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

If Biden ran, any plagiarism accusations are completely neutralized by Trump's gamut of wrongdoing.

Biden would probably still beat Trump. But it's not the sure thing that it was last time. It's terribly risky running someone that old -- Biden's age would help neutralize accusations about Trump's dementia.

It's just damn sad that Democrats let things get to this point to begin with.


Trump is arguably less qualified now than when he ran the first time. When he first ran, he was ignorant but we could assume that he could learn. Now we know he never learns and revels in ignorance, but he still has the incumbency advantage, and it's a crying shame that Republicans chose him to begin with and that Democrats threw the race to him. 2020 is all kinds of complicated because so many people who reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump have now drunk the orange koolaid and are going to rally fiercely to protect their poor abused ***** grabber.

I agree with most of this. More than any individual, though, I blame our situation on the two dominant political parties. They turned what was a volunteer job that lasted a number of weeks each year into a machine in order to consolidate power for themselves. They extended the legislative year to never end. They hired staffs of thousands of people. They created unethical relationships with businesses and rich individuals in order to get their money and make their stranglehold on power even more difficult to break. They invented the lobbying industry when they lost elections guaranteeing that that industry would determine 100% of the legislative agenda over the needs and desires of the general population. They stacked the courts with partisans instead of jurists. They warped the landscape of the entire country into congressional districts that would be utterly incomprehensible to anyone who doesn't understand gerrymandering. They took advantage of technological advances that the Founders never could have even begun to conceive even if they tried, including the internet and television, in order to manipulate an electorate that is so awash in information that it can pick to absorb just the information it likes and can't even tell the difference between truth and dishonesty anymore.

Now that the American political system is thoroughly corrupt, broken, and controlled by almost every influence except the country's voters, those two parties have more than half of us hating the other half of that half, seeing literally every issue on the planet through partisan political lenses, and oblivious, uncaring, or both that the true enemies are the ruling elites and not ourselves.

 

[Dittohead not!]

So, in effect Congress did its Constitutional duty.

As authorized be Congress as I recall.

Not every use of military force, or ANY in the recent past has come close to having any equivalence to WW II. So you raise a moot point.

The US went to war, as Vietnam was a war by any definition, but without a declaration of war by Congress. We went to war yet again in Iraq. That's two examples of Congress abrogating its responsibility to declare war. Resolutions and agreements are not declarations of war. The results were Orwellian wars were fought without the real support of the country, and those wars were lost. Vietnam was not even called a war at the time, and why? Because there was no formal declaration of war.

Now, I'm done with this subject. The thread is about Joe Biden. I'm not sure how anyone got me off on the wars in Vietnam and in Iraq. The first one is a real sore point with me, as I lived through that era.

Joe is too old to be president. He's a great guy, the sort of person you want as a neighbor, and he certainly has a better head on his shoulders than the current POTUS does, but he's not who we want as president.

 

[Captain America]

When a politician begins with, “ I’ll be as straight as I can with you,” you know you’re getting ready to hear a lie.......

Read my lips....

Never trust a person who is attempting to convince you of their honesty.

 

[Captain America]

I am trying to think of a more qualified democrat to be POTUS than Joe Biden.

I got nothing.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Read my lips....

Never trust a person who is attempting to convince you of their honesty.

Not a good rule at all, all too often people have their honestly maligned with no evidence and under the cause of malevolence....in that case he who will not stand up for himself is almost certainly one who is not worthy of trust.

 

[Captain America]

Not a good rule at all, all too often people have their honestly maligned with no evidence and under the cause of malevolence....in that case he who will not stand up for himself is almost certainly one who is not worthy of trust.

A person of integrity, steeped in honesty, does not need to stand before another person and have to convince that person of their character. It is beneath them to do so. Trust and respect are earned. Not sold.

(Why do I bother?)

 

[Hawkeye10]

A person of integrity, steeped in honesty, does not need to stand before another person and have to convince that person of their character. It is beneath them to do so. Trust and respect are earned. Not sold.

(Why do I bother?)

You make a mistake maligning those who defend themselves against slander upon their honor.

What a shame.

 

[Captain America]

You make a mistake maligning those who defend themselves against slander upon their honor.

What a shame.

What the **** are you talking about Hawk?

Nevermind. I don't care.

Have a nice evening.

 

[Hawkeye10]

What the **** are you talking about Hawk?

Nevermind. I don't care.

Have a nice evening.

Thee protests too much....

 

[SLC]

Biden the most qualified to be president? What about Hillary?

 

[foolardi]

Without speaking for Biden, I believe he meant that he has relevant subject knowledge and leadership experience and that given the opportunity to lead the country, he would at least be qualified to address our issues. I'm not sure he can cure any of them, but both dominant parties have spent decades working on health care, public education, Middle East peace, and a hundred other big issues while consistently making little or no improvement.

To prove what a fraud and incompetent boob the guy is { also mean }
he just said last night in an address to the Lantos Foundation this :
" Our leadership is giving license,giving license to this Prejudice. "
He was specifically talking about Anti-Semitism and its sudden rise.
As if Trump had ANYTHING whatever to do with that.It was His Boss { Obama }
who sat in Reverend Jeremiah Wright's Trinity Baptist Church for 20 years.
Wright being close friends to fellow Chicago resident Louis Farrahkan.
A Picture of Obama standing,smiling next to Farrahkan surfaced a few weeks ago.
No mention was ever made of Obama and Farrahkan,but that he did go to Farrahkans
Million Man March.Obama openly snubbed Benjamin Netantahu the last time he arrived in
D.C. in Obama's 2nd term.It was also reported that Obama used funds from our
State Dept. { taxpayer } some $ 350,ooo which ended up in OneVoice,ostensibly to help
Israeli-Palestinian negotiations but wound-up instead building a voter database and training
activists and hooking-up with an Obama political consulting firm to run Anti-Netanyahu
campaigns.The Senate Permanent Select Committee on Investigations concluded in
a staff report.This was in the summer of 2016.
Where was Honest Joe during all that Anti-Netantahu Obama hijinks.
Biden is a toadie shill.Nothing more.

 

[foolardi]

Biden the most qualified to be president? What about Hillary?

Wasn't it this Hillary thing who made a plea publically,not to long ago about
Civility.I guess that explains her refusal to even look in President Trumps
direction as they sat in a group { The Carters and Clintons and Obama's and Trumps.}
At Yesterdays State Funeral.
She refused to acknowledge President Trump.As if he was some Serial Killer.

 

[foolardi]

Not a good rule at all, all too often people have their honestly maligned with no evidence and under the cause of malevolence....in that case he who will not stand up for himself is almost certainly one who is not worthy of trust.

" A man who never trusts himself never trusts anyone. "
-- Paul De Gondi,Cardinal De Retz { 1613-1679 } French prelate

 

[akyron]

The entire lifetime gaffe history of Joe Biden was canceled out by Trump in the first six months, so please...get real.

The hits keep on coming.

 

[Chomsky]

Huh? "lop-sided against the working class"? In what universe. And please don't lower my respect for you by trotting out the "the top x% got 80% of the cuts" horse manure.

Well, then I'm sorry to lose a little respect with you, but that is one (of several) facets of what I'm claiming. That $1.5T debt added this year is 8 grand per taxpayer. Did the average Joe get his 8K worth of savings? No. And when the economy has a downturn (and it will), the cuts in services and benefits that take place, will - as always - hit the working-class and poor the hardest.

 

[foolardi]

Well, then I'm sorry to lose a little respect with you, but that is one (of several) facets of what I'm claiming. That $1.5T debt added this year is 8 grand per taxpayer. Did the average Joe get his 8K worth of savings? No. And when the economy has a downturn (and it will), the cuts in services and benefits that take place, will - as always - hit the working-class and poor the hardest.

Beats the Hoodwinking Obama first term.Where he never missed a chance to explain
how Bad the Economy and how Bush Drove country into the ditch.
Bush 43 did spend like a drunken sailor but did not Run up deficits like
a mad scientist in some Psychotronic movie.Bush had a 2007 Budget deficit of $ 161 Billion.
Obama Averaged Over $ 1.2 Trillion in deficits his entire First term.His Senate Majority leader { Harry Reid }
refuses to even debate a Budget.Harry Reid did not have a budget proposal voted on by the Senate.
Obama's Presidential Budget were so Dopey that in 2012 and 2013 Not one Senator voted for them.
The vote being 99-0 in 2013 and 98-0 in 2012. In 2015 the vote was 98-1.
Bush took the National debt from around $ 5 Trillion to over $ 10 Trillion.
Obama took it from over $ 10 Trillion to just short of $ 20 Trillion.
Did you have this same concern over Obama's 2 terms.Where did the Treasury receipts go.
Or that $ 862 Billion Obama Stimulus.
Certainly not Defense or our Military.
It went to shore up state Government { blue state } pensions and keep teachers from being
let go.

 

[Chomsky]

Beats the Hoodwinking Obama first term.Where he never missed a chance to explain
how Bad the Economy and how Bush Drove country into the ditch.
Bush 43 did spend like a drunken sailor but did not Run up deficits like
a mad scientist in some Psychotronic movie.Bush had a 2007 Budget deficit of $ 161 Billion.
Obama Averaged Over $ 1.2 Trillion in deficits his entire First term.His Senate Majority leader { Harry Reid }
refuses to even debate a Budget.Harry Reid did not have a budget proposal voted on by the Senate.
Obama's Presidential Budget were so Dopey that in 2012 and 2013 Not one Senator voted for them.
The vote being 99-0 in 2013 and 98-0 in 2012. In 2015 the vote was 98-1.
Bush took the National debt from around $ 5 Trillion to over $ 10 Trillion.
Obama took it from over $ 10 Trillion to just short of $ 20 Trillion.
Did you have this same concern over Obama's 2 terms.Where did the Treasury receipts go.
Or that $ 862 Billion Obama Stimulus.
Certainly not Defense or our Military.
It went to shore up state Government { blue state } pensions and keep teachers from being
let go.

Your opinion of Obama has no bearing upon the ramifications of the Trump-GOP corporate tax cuts.

 

[Hawkeye10]

" A man who never trusts himself never trusts anyone. "
-- Paul De Gondi,Cardinal De Retz { 1613-1679 } French prelate

And then the corollary "If you dont believe in yourself then why in the world would anyone else believe in you". Jordan Peterson has been talking about this when he says that we should not be cutting ourselves down in front of others, which is often demanded of us as a show of humility "No" is says, teach yourself to do none of that, those making the demand need to go suck it.

Stand up straight for yourself and what you believe in.

 

[Bullseye]

Well, then I'm sorry to lose a little respect with you, but that is one (of several) facets of what I'm claiming. That $1.5T debt added this year is 8 grand per taxpayer. Did the average Joe get his 8K worth of savings? No. And when the economy has a downturn (and it will), the cuts in services and benefits that take place, will - as always - hit the working-class and poor the hardest.

First off, there was/is no $1.5T added to the debt; at least not because of "tax cuts, spending is still the basic problem. Second the tax benefit is proportional to the amount you tax you actually paid so someone who pays 10,000 in federal income tax would get a smaller CASH amount than someone who pays 100,000 in federal tax even those they go the same percentage savings.