Biden is talking about this guy...

[Chomsky]

I think it's fair to say both sides are done with one another.

It is getting to look like that.

We'll see if Biden peels-off some Republican Never-Trump'ers with his new strategy. You never know, there might be a few with common-ground, especial if Trump becomes more bombastic (as I suspect he will).

The right watched in horror as mobs rampaged in the streets during the lefts summer of rage. Ripping down monuments, looting stores, setting buildings on fire while the police stood down at the direction of Democrats. They even had an actual msurection that they called CHAZ which nobody got arrested for. Instead Democrats negotiated with them and brined them to leave by giving in to a lost of demands by those in charge.

Those riots were definitely a blemish on the Left, I absolutely agree. I detested them, I suspect as much as anyone on the right.

But we can't equate CHAZ with 1/6.

In addition, as bad as general rioting & looting are, there seems to be something that hits a lot harder when going for our capitol and our election. I can't really equate them, but I surely won't make any excuses for the Lefties.

Nobody takes the fake outrage from the left seriously because why should they? Let them stop their feet and make all the noise they want, who cares?

I guess that speaks to both sides throwing-in the towel. It starting to seem like a bad marriage.

It seems to me, judging by the way the left has been attacking the right. The left is getting the enemy they have been hoping for.

Interesting comment.

I can assure you much of the Left does indeed feel this a fight for the heart & soul of Democracy. Then again I've seen the same expression used on Trump media sites, so I guess there that.

 

[Chomsky]

First Amendment right to assemble and free speech?

I wasn't speaking to the 1stA, we all respect that. I was inquiring as to why she would support those whose cause is to over-turn our election?

 

[Chomsky]

before you spout a bunch of bull, perhaps you better show where the electoral vote was ever close to being overthrown, or our justice system or elections. no one is doing that.. well there may be a few idiots that think their screaming to do that its going to happen, but no one else with a reasonable view of reality thinks so.

one does not have to support Trump in order to be angry at a president who spouts BS about millions of the american population being "violent extremists". You know, what this thread is about... not trump?

we all know millions of americans are not violent extremists and what he said is not true.

he is a jackass.

Yet the bolded is exactly what Trump espouses. How can one support Trump, but divorce themselves from the cause? You don't see the disconnect?

 

[Davin]

You know the Gestapo by their new name, the FBI.

Then leave the country traitor. You are anti American. Your kind deserve to be jailed or deported for your terrorist supporting actions.

 

[Davin]

oh yeah, what actions are those?

Insurrection supporting for one and defrauding our democratic system.

Trump supporters are terrorist supporting scum. The sooner trump supporters are jailed or deported the better for America.

 

[trouble13]

It is getting to look like that.

We'll see if Biden peels-off some Republican Never-Trump'ers with his new strategy. You never know, there might be a few with common-ground, especial if Trump becomes more bombastic (as I suspect he will).

If I were a betting man I would expect the democrats will get the same never Trump voters as they got last cycle. The number might shift a little but I think it will generally be static.

The fight will be for the independents and who can energize their base more. Trump is very good at the latter but persuading the indepents he struggles with. Harsh rhetoric turns them off.

Those riots were definitely a blemish on the Left, I absolutely agree. I detested them, I suspect as much as anyone on the right.

But we can't equate CHAZ with 1/6.

However you want to slice it, all of them on both sides broke the law. One side was treated with kid gloves and mostly given a big pass. While the others are being charged to the letter of the law and prosecuted to it's fullest extent. It's a stark difference and it's on full display in the public eye.

In addition, as bad as general rioting & looting are, there seems to be something that hits a lot harder when going for our capitol and our election. I can't really equate them, but I surely won't make any excuses for the Lefties.

I see it exactly opposite of you. In practical terms the Jan 6th people had no chance of actually taking over the gov as is being alleged. At best they might of delayed the certification until the building could be secured.

CHAZ occupied a 4 block area for about a month. They declared it an autonomous area that did not recognize the governments authority. The only returned it over after they had a list of demands met. Those people were not prosecuted and they did real damage. A lot more than the Jan 6th protesters.

I guess that speaks to both sides throwing-in the towel. It starting to seem like a bad marriage.

Very much like a bad marriage. Even something as petty as this board can become very contenious at times.

You and I disagree on quite a few things but we have civil discussions and take the time to try to understand each others positions. That is the exception, not the norm and it's happening on a national scale.

Interesting comment.

I can assure you much of the Left does indeed feel this a fight for the heart & soul of Democracy. Then again I've seen the same expression used on Trump media sites, so I guess there that.

The right feels much the same about it being for the heart and soul of the nation. Sometimes I marvel at how similar the rhetoric sounds to the other sides. Both sides are using similar justifications for really poor behavior.

 

[Chomsky]

i do not accept that there was massive vote fraud that cost trump the vote,

Thank God!

but I do accept that the mainstream media has an agenda against conservative policies and Trump and that cost him the election.

Too a point. But in this specific case, it wasn't as much against Conservatism per se, as against Trump himself.

Trump lost the election because many hated him & wanted him out, so they gave him his walking papers. Do you think all those votes were from those thrilled by Biden? No, a great many were anti-Trump votes. But I assure you from someone in that camp, the votes in round two, if Trump were to be nominated, will eclipse those of round one.

There was Trump hate before, but now there is despise that's literally indescribable. He'll never get in the White House. For a Conservative alternative, I suggest running DeSantis. He's still relatively MAGA for that crowd, but seems smart, educated, shrewd, and pretty competent. Most importantly he's likely more palatable to the Never & Anti-Trump crowd, while (hopefully for the GOP) still able to bring the MAGA crowd with.

1/6 was unfortunate, but nothing really but a few idiots rioting. they should be punished and are as far as I am concerned. i think to many were held too long without due process though. some assholes may have actually planned something but they are getting their just desserts with a jury.

It was unfortunate, alright. Unfortunately spurred-on by Trump!

Mara lago is unproven to me as yet, and I will file it , for now, with the russian collusion hoax and other entrenched bureaucracy malfeasance.. for now. they will have to indict Trump and let a fair jury convict to satisfy me.

Alright, I can respect that.

Actually I'm not too far from your position here, though I think he's guilty-as-hell in not getting the docs back to the People. I am willing to acquiesce, until proven otherwise, that there may not have been nefarious intent more than his bungling ways & narcissistic entitlement.

 

[trouble13]

Then leave the country traitor. You are anti American. Your kind deserve to be jailed or deported for your terrorist supporting actions.

@Chomsky

Case and point to what im talking about

David thinks he is entitled to talk this way about people he disagrees with.

 

[anatta]

Who the hell is Robert Packer and why is this another bogus thread calling millions and million of MAGA voters supporting 1/6 violence?
Great Buddha..consolidate and dont start a thread on some idiot with a Camp auschwitz shirt

 

[JasperL]

before you spout a bunch of bull, perhaps you better show where the electoral vote was ever close to being overthrown, or our justice system or elections. no one is doing that.. well there may be a few idiots that think their screaming to do that its going to happen, but no one else with a reasonable view of reality thinks so.

We were as close as Pence from at the least a constitutional crisis. The MAGA crew and Trump didn't want him to unilaterally throw out a few states for shits and grins - that had a purpose and that purpose was to find some way to declare Trump winner. Pence to his credit did his duty. Had he not, who the hell knows what happens, but we KNOW what Trump and his minions wanted - Trump declared winner by whatever means necessary.

one does not have to support Trump in order to be angry at a president who spouts BS about millions of the american population being "violent extremists". You know, what this thread is about... not trump?

we all know millions of americans are not violent extremists and what he said is not true.

OK, so Trump is too big of a coward to BE a "violent extremist" but he told us this week he wanted to pardon those that ARE violent extremists and who attacked the U.S. Capitol. At what point do you start caring about that? At what point do you recognize that a man who tells us in the clearest terms possible he supports violent extremism as the head of the GOP is a problem?

he is a jackass.

Right, the "jackass" is the man condemning violence, and condemning the violent extremists that did in fact attack the U.S. Capitol as part of Trump's plan to overturn the vote.

Seems to me the ****ing jackass is Donald J. Trump and anyone aligned with him.

 

[JasperL]

I see it exactly opposite of you. In practical terms the Jan 6th people had no chance of actually taking over the gov as is being alleged. At best they might of delayed the certification until the building could be secured.

If it was just the MAGA thugs, that's fair enough. I mean, they could have killed members of Congress or others but for the LEOs on the scene, scores of them injured defending the civilians sent fleeing.

But behind them was an actually REAL attempt to overturn the election, by serious people including Trump. There really WAS a purpose to imploring Pence, all the way through him taking the podium, to unilaterally throw out states.

So you cannot separate the two events - one by the MAGA thugs brought there to D.C. by Trump, and the efforts by Trump to have himself declared winner through Pence's decertification, etc. It's part of a whole, same event, same leaders.

And I for one cannot ever forgive, nor can I see anyone else doing it, Trump for what he did NOT do that day. You're president, your supporters have invaded the Capitol, your VP is fleeing the mob. What do you do? Trump said, "Hey, I'll send out a Tweet and put a bullseye on Pence's back!" What he didn't do is get on the phone with whoever would listen and try to stop them. He had to be BEGGED to put out that video, hours after it all started. Where's the evidence he's summoned the cabinet, on the phone with NG, his own military leaders, Capitol police? It does not exist because he did NONE of that. He sat on his ass and watched in on TV.

CHAZ occupied a 4 block area for about a month. They declared it an autonomous area that did not recognize the governments authority. The only returned it over after they had a list of demands met. Those people were not prosecuted and they did real damage. A lot more than the Jan 6th protesters.

But the January 6th protesters were attacking the core of our system. That month was a tragedy for those affected, the businesses and residences, but it's four blocks. If we lose the peaceful transfer of power through elections, we've lost everything.

Very much like a bad marriage. Even something as petty as this board can become very contenious at times.

You and I disagree on quite a few things but we have civil discussions and take the time to try to understand each others positions. That is the exception, not the norm and it's happening on a national scale.

The right feels much the same about it being for the heart and soul of the nation. Sometimes I marvel at how similar the rhetoric sounds to the other sides. Both sides are using similar justifications for really poor behavior.

 

[trouble13]

If it was just the MAGA thugs, that's fair enough. I mean, they could have killed members of Congress or others but for the LEOs on the scene, scores of them injured defending the civilians sent fleeing.

But behind them was an actually REAL attempt to overturn the election, by serious people including Trump. There really WAS a purpose to imploring Pence, all the way through him taking the podium, to unilaterally throw out states.

So you cannot separate the two events - one by the MAGA thugs brought there to D.C. by Trump, and the efforts by Trump to have himself declared winner through Pence's decertification, etc. It's part of a whole, same event, same leaders.

And I for one cannot ever forgive, nor can I see anyone else doing it, Trump for what he did NOT do that day. You're president, your supporters have invaded the Capitol, your VP is fleeing the mob. What do you do? Trump said, "Hey, I'll send out a Tweet and put a bullseye on Pence's back!" What he didn't do is get on the phone with whoever would listen and try to stop them. He had to be BEGGED to put out that video, hours after it all started. Where's the evidence he's summoned the cabinet, on the phone with NG, his own military leaders, Capitol police? It does not exist because he did NONE of that. He sat on his ass and watched in on TV.

But the January 6th protesters were attacking the core of our system. That month was a tragedy for those affected, the businesses and residences, but it's four blocks. If we lose the peaceful transfer of power through elections, we've lost everything.

Even if I accept your argument that what happened on Jan 6th was a graver threat than chaz. It does not change the disparity between how the two incidents were treated.

The FBI didn't put any effort into prosecuting a group of people who commandeered a 4 block area that included a police station that a 911 center operated out of. They declared the entire area autonomous and evicted the police from the area. They only returned it after a list of demands were filled. They did all of this without legal consequence.

We can also talk about the looting, rioting, and arson that took place across the country. Many police and private citizens alike were armed by those protests.

We can also talk about the mobs pulling down local and national monuments.

You can't excuse that and act holier-than-thou over a right wing group becoming unruly. You dont have the credibility to do that.

 

[reflechissez]

We can also talk about the mobs pulling down local and national monuments.

Meh. I don't think you'll miss a few confederate statues.

 

[Hypothetical]

Insurrection supporting for one and defrauding our democratic system.

Trump supporters are terrorist supporting scum. The sooner trump supporters are jailed or deported the better for America.

yeah like the gestapo.. or maybe the KGB, right.

 

[Hypothetical]

Yet the bolded is exactly what Trump espouses. How can one support Trump, but divorce themselves from the cause? You don't see the disconnect?

I don;t really support Trump any more, but his belief that he won and deserves to be reinstated is not insurrection, that is just silly, and I can;t count him responsible got the riot at the capitol. he could have handled trying to stop it better, but he wasn't front and center there. there was no way that group was going to stop our electoral process.

this isn't about that though, its about the CURRENT president of the US calling millions of americans "violent extremists" with no good cause other than he wants to fire up his base and get more votes to retain power.

if you can see the "disconnect " for Trump then WHAT do you say about that? surely it is absolutely a wrong thing to do.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

I don;t really support Trump any more, but his belief that he won and deserves to be reinstated is not insurrection, that is just silly, and I can;t count him responsible got the riot at the capitol. he could have handled trying to stop it better, but he wasn't front and center there. there was no way that group was going to stop our electoral process.
this isn't about that though, its about the CURRENT president of the US calling millions of americans "violent extremists" with no good cause other than he wants to fire up his base and get more votes to retain power.
if you can see the "disconnect " for Trump then WHAT do you say about that? surely it is absolutely a wrong thing to do.

You used quotation marks around the words "violent extremists"

What speech or document are you quoting exactly?
Is it a real speech or document?
Or just a hypothetical one?

 

[jcgriff2]

The speech was clear. Robert Packer is a fascist. He engaged in fascist activity. Robert Packer is a threat to democracy.

If you support Robert Packer, either his activity here on 1/6 or the antisemitism on his shirt, then you too are whom Biden is talking about.

I'm sure there are very good people on both sides. Biden made that clear as well. Robert Packer is a MAGA Republican. Whose side are you on? MAGA Republican or traditional Republican?

Looking at your last lines - True, but only under force after the semi-fascist comments.

Wording on his shirt is protected free speech regardless of what it says.

How do you know he is a MAGA Republican?

Does he even have a criminal record? He did nothing at the Capitol as he got the absolute minimum sentence like many others for just standing there.

I could care less if he engaged in fascist activity. The hell with Biden if he thinks he'll throw out all fascists, communists, and others we don't like, but they are free to express.

You of all people should know this. I am rather shocked that you would post this shit.

Man who wore 'Camp Auschwitz' sweatshirt during US Capitol riot pleads guilty

The man who was photographed inside the US Capitol wearing a "Camp Auschwitz" sweatshirt on January 6, 2021, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor trespassing charge on Wednesday.

www.cnn.com

This MAGA vs. Traditional Republican BS is doing nothing more than democrats meddling with elections attempting to split the Republican vote between 2 or more candidates.

No one is going to come out as maga v. traditional anyway. This is Biden's lame way to try to get GOP to say "bad MAGA" - no way. It is Bad IRA-Democrats passing that God awful bill that the GOP will repeal at first chance. Split the democrat party up into 5 or so pieces. Start with "Trump-framing Democrats".

We last saw this in 1992 and 1996 when H. Ross Perot ran as an Independent, which definitely took votes away from Bush and gave Clinton the win. Same in '96.



I was wrong on 1996. Dole was absolutely beaten - even if he got Perot's votes.

But if no Perot in '92, I think Bush would have been reelected. Bush only needed 6 MM of Perot's 19.7 MM votes to even Clinton.

Regardless, Bill Clinton won.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

How do you know he is a MAGA Republican?

What if he is just called a MAGA rally attendee?

Who that assuage your concerns about accuracy?

 

[Queen Margo]

Then you support the insurrection.

WOW, rather warped thought process.
I guess then you supported all the looting, rioting, murdering that took place in the big Dem run cities.

 

[Queen Margo]

This MAGA vs. Traditional Republican BS is doing nothing more than democrats meddling with elections attempting to split the Republican vote between 2 or more candidates.


.

Yes, exactly!

 

[Michael Cole]

Biden didn't make anything clear except he called half the nation fascists

and threats to democracy last week. He did not differentiate and he called 74 million voters ultra MAGA and MAGA Republicans.
For all the heat the democrats have given Trump and then to try to claim Biden didn't attack republicans who voted Trump, that's sad. However that's the democrats. Always a double standard. There is no defense for what Biden did, what he said both last week and in his campaign speech. He also should apologize to all Americans for using taxpayer dollars to finance an obviously partisan and totally political campaign speech.

 

[element94]

If you would have DVR-ed the last 6 years of faux news, and listened objectively, you would begin to see the evidence.

Election Fraud is a crime. If it can't get into court due to zero evidence, it is not a crime. You can't say a crime has been committed on a feeling, or a suspicion. Seriously? Do you have anything else? It's been debunked, and if you had been paying attention, you would know that.
By the way, I can't think of any worse torture than to DVR 6 years of Fox(?) News and watching it. Why did you use the term "faux" news? You what that means?

 

[JasperL]

I don;t really support Trump any more, but his belief that he won and deserves to be reinstated is not insurrection, that is just silly, and I can;t count him responsible got the riot at the capitol. he could have handled trying to stop it better, but he wasn't front and center there. there was no way that group was going to stop our electoral process.

Trump and his allies tried to stop our electoral process, and wasn't shy about telling us. Pence did his duty or they'd have succeeded, and who knows what happens next. Trump supports the people who attacked the Capitol. He told us that again this week, by talk of pardoning them. He told us he loved them that day.

And of course he could have handled trying to stop it better, by simply trying to stop it. The reason why he did absolutely nothing for hours is he didn't mind his followers attacking the U.S. Capitol. We knew it then, if nothing else, by his inaction as POTUS. But he told them he loved them, and that's in a video release that his minions had to beg him to make. He confirmed it by appealing directly to that "violent extremist" element with talks of pardoning them, the ones who attacked the Capitol, injured scores of LEOs.

this isn't about that though, its about the CURRENT president of the US calling millions of americans "violent extremists" with no good cause other than he wants to fire up his base and get more votes to retain power.

if you can see the "disconnect " for Trump then WHAT do you say about that? surely it is absolutely a wrong thing to do.

He actually didn't call anyone a "violent extremist." Maybe don't put that term in quotes.

He characterized the MAGA contingent as a minority of the GOP, and said, "There are far more Americans — far more Americans from every — from every background and belief who reject the extreme MAGA ideology than those that accept it."

What he's targeting are people like Trump who with an almost admirable clarity this week told us where he stands - with violent thugs who attacked the U.S. Capitol. Some of us listen to what Trump says and does and believe him....

 

[JasperL]

I support the people that went to the Capitol that did no violence!

Cool. Trump supports those that did do violence.

Trump: "We will be looking very very seriously at full pardons...with an apology!" It's not even a dog whistle - that's a bullhorn.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

WOW, rather warped thought process.
I guess then you supported all the looting, rioting, murdering that took place in the big Dem run cities.

A protest of a police murder that later turned into a riot, compared to an insurrection backed by months of planning all the way to the White House with the intention of overturning an election AND overthrowing the government.
Yeah, they're exactly alike, who couldn't see that. [/sarc]

PS: It's now a documented fact that the riot was helped along by Boogs and anarchists, plus a heaping helping of malcontents from the Michelle Bachmann suburbs of Minneapolis.