Biden is not serious about getting the debt under control

[nvflash]

More than entitlement programs. We have far far far too much spending and have for years. There are no more fiscal conservatives in DC.

Not a soul in DC cares about debt and spending, and they never will till the rubes that vote for them wise up.

There is no reason for a National government to tax, they only do it to steal from you but that is not the biggest theft of all, they issue debt in your name and hand out the profits to their cronies.

You do not benefit from the creation and destruction of your own nations money supply, we are not a land of, by, and for the people. We are bank land, and we always have been.

 

[tshade]

One of the lw fairy tales is that the"yes the Dems want more spending,but they are going to pay for it by taxing the rich"
wronggggggggggggggggggg

More Biden Budget Analysis | National Review

The Tax Foundation predicts 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP from Biden’s proposed taxing and spending.

www.nationalreview.com

"
Yesterday I noted some analysis of the president’s budget from the center-left Tax Policy Center. Now we have some from the right-leaning Tax Foundation.

By these estimates, if enacted, the budget — which includes the Biden family and infrastructure plans — would hike spending by $4 trillion over ten years while raising $1.3 trillion in revenue. These numbers shift to $5 trillion and $3 trillion if you count tax credits as spending and toss in a promised $700 billion from better tax enforcement. (The tax credits include Biden’s big payments to parents regardless of whether they work, and the report treats such “spending through the tax code” as a revenue-reducer rather than spending per se.)

America has a population of roughly 330 million, so every trillion dollars represents about $3,000 per person.

The Tax Foundation also estimates the broader economic effects of the tax and spending changes: about 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP in the long run, for example."

Please don't bother responding that the GOP isn't serious about it either . I've already said that umpteen times.

Starts at the local level. We need to elect people who are fiscally responsible. We also need to get more people participating in elections-------on that end it is the GOP's fault...

 

[bave]

Starts at the local level. We need to elect people who are fiscally responsible. We also need to get more people participating in elections-------on that end it is the GOP's fault...

What you need to do to start is hold states and municipalities to the same financial regulations as everyone else. Suddenly half the state/local pension funds are insolvent and have to unwind. The problem is at the local level the elections are run by public employees who are effectively corrupted by the system of buying their votes.

As for voter turnout, to this day I don't understand the heartache over asking someone to have a state issued ID to vote.

 

[rickc]

Republican tax cuts for the rich and the federal debt

 

[MamboDervish]

So let me get this straight?

You recognize TRUMP/GOP as just very good Bull shitter's when it comes to our national debt?

Perhaps you can remind me when Biden made any campaign promises to lower the debt.
I can't seem to recall any.

Thanks.

 

[Luther]

Perhaps you can remind me when Biden made any campaign promises to lower the debt.
I can't seem to recall any.

Thanks.

You mean this has to be a campaign promise?(LOL)

Holy..... shit.....

 

[bave]

Republican tax cuts for the rich and the federal debt

As disingenuous as it gets, right there folks.

The chart shows marginal tax rates on the top, but are meaningless. Any serious look is based on effective tax rates. The US tax code over this time period has gotten *more* progress to become the most progressive in the world. The rise in debt is largely due to entitlements as well.

 

[MamboDervish]

You mean this has to be a campaign promise?(LOL)

Holy..... shit.....

Well YEAH! It certainly does when the OP of the thread is saying that Biden isn't serious about lowering the debt!

I guess by your response that I should really address this question to Klattu. Maybe they know of Biden's claims to lower the debt. I wasn't aware of anything he said to that effect.

Thanks

 

[KLATTU]

So you agree that Trump lied about reducing the debt and you supported him anyway. Meaning you have no gripe about Biden.

why do you keep lying about me voting for Trump?

 

[Sand Castle]

even though your post has nothing to with the OP, Just to correct some falsities
Oil industry get no handouts.

The tax code is indifferent to individual. If you qualify for a deduction,you get it. Trump does not get a deduction 'avergae hard working American s' don't get.

~ 45 % pay no FIT. There is no better ' tax loophole ' than that

Your kidding? Right!

Money coming in is just as important as spending. Haven't you learned that in your personal life?

 

[D_NATURED]

One of the lw fairy tales is that the"yes the Dems want more spending,but they are going to pay for it by taxing the rich"
wronggggggggggggggggggg

More Biden Budget Analysis | National Review

The Tax Foundation predicts 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP from Biden’s proposed taxing and spending.

www.nationalreview.com

"
Yesterday I noted some analysis of the president’s budget from the center-left Tax Policy Center. Now we have some from the right-leaning Tax Foundation.

By these estimates, if enacted, the budget — which includes the Biden family and infrastructure plans — would hike spending by $4 trillion over ten years while raising $1.3 trillion in revenue. These numbers shift to $5 trillion and $3 trillion if you count tax credits as spending and toss in a promised $700 billion from better tax enforcement. (The tax credits include Biden’s big payments to parents regardless of whether they work, and the report treats such “spending through the tax code” as a revenue-reducer rather than spending per se.)

America has a population of roughly 330 million, so every trillion dollars represents about $3,000 per person.

The Tax Foundation also estimates the broader economic effects of the tax and spending changes: about 165,000 fewer jobs and 1 percent lower GDP in the long run, for example."

Please don't bother responding that the GOP isn't serious about it either . I've already said that umpteen times.

Your post is a strawman. The difference between liberal and conservative spending is that the Dems want to invest money in education, infrastructure and elevating the poor. The repubs just want to borrow trillions to grease the .1%. Trump's deficit was three times what Obama's was and he didn't have to fix the banking and auto industries. Trump's policy was blatant elitism, trickledown on steroids or, more accurately, fast food, not making the country stronger, just bloating the already fat.

The more we can get wealth into the hands of the poor, rather than the political bribery class, the better our economy will be.

 

[Buckeyes85]

Too bad the military is such a sacred cow. Managing spending better in that category would be a needle-mover as far as getting the deficit under control.

That's true though there is so much about our economy built into funding the military, and all the suppliers, etc., reducing the military budget to a more palatable number would be tricky.

 

[tshade]

What you need to do to start is hold states and municipalities to the same financial regulations as everyone else. Suddenly half the state/local pension funds are insolvent and have to unwind. The problem is at the local level the elections are run by public employees who are effectively corrupted by the system of buying their votes.

As for voter turnout, to this day I don't understand the heartache over asking someone to have a state issued ID to vote.

What public employees?????

Voter ID is fine , IF NEEDED. The PROBLEM should exist BEFORE the solution----don't ya thunk ???? Right now it would only cut the number who would vote = bad for democracy.

 

[KLATTU]

Your post is a strawman. The difference between liberal and conservative spending is that the Dems want to invest money in education, infrastructure and elevating the poor. The repubs just want to borrow trillions to grease the .1%. Trump's deficit was three times what Obama's was and he didn't have to fix the banking and auto industries. Trump's policy was blatant elitism, trickledown on steroids or, more accurately, fast food, not making the country stronger, just bloating the already fat.

The more we can get wealth into the hands of the poor, rather than the political bribery class, the better our economy will be.

Daily chuckle.

thanks for the laugh komrade

 

[Sand Castle]

Daily chuckle.

thanks for the laugh komrade

Trump was certainly a joke

 

[bave]

What public employees?????

Voter ID is fine , IF NEEDED. The PROBLEM should exist BEFORE the solution----don't ya thunk ???? Right now it would only cut the number who would vote = bad for democracy.

In local elections in particularly it is pretty well known that the public employees in strong union states drive those results. They get 99% turnout in otherwise piss poor turnout elections, in turn they elect their bosses who then negotiate with them. This is why you have places like NY/NJ/PA/CA that have absolute absurdity in public employee contracts.

Why is it that you need an ID to buy a gun, board a plane, open a bank account, drive a care, or a thousand other things. However voting, you gotta prove it is necessary. I don't think any reasonable person would suggest there is no voter fraud. I think the only question is how pervasive is it and what is the degree of the impact on outcomes, right?

 

[D_NATURED]

Daily chuckle.

thanks for the laugh komrade

Oh, how the fascists love to laugh rather than formulate an intelligent response. Chuckle away. It doesn't change the facts of your economic and historical ignorance.

 

[tshade]

In local elections in particularly it is pretty well known that the public employees in strong union states drive those results. They get 99% turnout in otherwise piss poor turnout elections, in turn they elect their bosses who then negotiate with them. This is why you have places like NY/NJ/PA/CA that have absolute absurdity in public employee contracts.

Why is it that you need an ID to buy a gun, board a plane, open a bank account, drive a care, or a thousand other things. However voting, you gotta prove it is necessary. I don't think any reasonable person would suggest there is no voter fraud. I think the only question is how pervasive is it and what is the degree of the impact on outcomes, right?

Well, okay. Now, whose fault is it that others don't vote??? Certainly not the union's. Heck, I wish EVERYONE would have a little union influence to get better turnout....
What kind of "absurdity" do you mean in a contract ????
Voting should never be compared to such mundane things as those you mention----hopefully the right to vote is mountains above those things, and thus must be ENCOURAGED not DIScouraged. Yes, there is always bound to be SOME fraud out of millions of voters. Do we keep thousands at home with a new voting law because we found 14 fradulent votes cast????? Let's STRENGHEN democracy, not weaken it...........

 

[bave]

Well, okay. Now, whose fault is it that others don't vote??? Certainly not the union's. Heck, I wish EVERYONE would have a little union influence to get better turnout....
What kind of "absurdity" do you mean in a contract ????
Voting should never be compared to such mundane things as those you mention----hopefully the right to vote is mountains above those things, and thus must be ENCOURAGED not DIScouraged. Yes, there is always bound to be SOME fraud out of millions of voters. Do we keep thousands at home with a new voting law because we found 14 fradulent votes cast????? Let's STRENGHEN democracy, not weaken it...........

No argument on local turnout, the absurdity being school boards largely elected by their employees turn around and are on their side.

I don't see voter ID requirements, absentee ballot limitations etc as stopping people from voting. The same way I don't think ID requirements and background checks to buy guns to be too much.

 

[rickc]

Cost a lot of money to fix what Republican Administrations screw up

 

[KLATTU]

Oh, how the fascists love to laugh rather than formulate an intelligent response. Chuckle away. It doesn't change the facts of your economic and historical ignorance.

..Fascists

The laffs just keep on coming!

 

[tshade]

No argument on local turnout, the absurdity being school boards largely elected by their employees turn around and are on their side.

Oh---you are talking about 'teacher's contracts.......okay. Well, first of all, a community has more voters than the teaching staff, correct?? Whose fault is that then that "teachers elect board members" ?? What is wrong with boards being on the "teacher's side" ?? Don't the teachers wish the best for the kids??? What is going on in your school district ??

 

[tshade]

No argument on local turnout, the absurdity being school boards largely elected by their employees turn around and are on their side.

I don't see voter ID requirements, absentee ballot limitations etc as stopping people from voting. The same way I don't think ID requirements and background checks to buy guns to be too much.

No one ever said it would stop people from voting-------Id laws "discourage" many people from voting , instead of ENCOURAGING the vote by making it easier to vote. Why would you want to make it harder to vote ???

 

[jpn]

"Please don't bother responding that the GOP isn't serious about it either . I've already said that umpteen times.
Some people are just one trick ponies. Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump

The GOP not serious? Who could ever make such a claim?

Tell you what. Admit the following are true, and I'll consider you serious. But your party? It's a joke. A bad one.

Climate change is real and ignoring it is irresponsible and dangerous.
Obama wasn't born in Kenya.
Russian interfered in the 2016 election to help Trump.
Massive voter fraud in the 2020 election is a lie.
Tax cuts don't increase tax revenue.
Obamacare didn't cause massive job loss (the opposite), crash the economy, or contain "death panels."
The Coronavirus is deadly and wearing a mask helps reduce its spread.
Moderately progressive policies aren't a radical socialist agenda.
Democrats support responsible gun ownership.
Trump tried to coerce Ukraine into manufacturing dirt on Biden's son, and then lied about it when he was caught.
Biden won the 2020 election fairly.
Proposing a larger role for government is an American tradition, not radical socialism.
The 2020 BLM protests were overwhelmingly peaceful.
White supremacists, urged on by Trump and Republican politicians, rioted at the capitol on January 6, not Antifa.
Frozen wind turbines were not the principal cause of the Texas power outage in Feb, 2021.
"Cancel culture" refers to a political culture that does not allow free public discourse, not to a culture that denies free speech to people who peddle lies and conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election.

 

[jpn]

One of the lw fairy tales is that the"yes the Dems want more spending, but they are going to pay for it by taxing the rich"
wronggggggggggggggggggg

I don't see many Democrats claim that all the new spending is going to be paid for. That's why so much discussion is under way about how increasing the debt is not the economic catastrophe that conservatives always promise it will be.

Besides, if conservatives were really so worried about the debt, then they'd be at least open to raising some taxes in order to pay for America's future.