Biden Decides To Stick To Aug 31st Deadline!

[Plasmaball]

LOL I knew it. You still don't get it. There was no way to win in Afghanistan and plenty of ways for our soldiers to be maimed and killed for no good reason. The one term mistake knew it but he just didn't have the balls to take the heat himself. That is why he left it for Biden.
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I disagree. I think he thought he was gonna win in 2020. The problem is this would have been the same with him now

 

[Fletch]

Biden did not want to launch another US offensive against the Taliban so he would have been a fool if he didn't go along with it. The 2000 men that he was left there by the one term mistake had no air support and would have been going on a suicide mission. I'm sure you would like your son to be the last American soldier killed in a war we lost. Biden would have none of that.

You dont know what you are talking about. US forces left Bagram on July 2 2021. Biden was president, He pulled the air support.

 

[iguanaman]

If my post were partisan, I would have blamed Obama. But I didnt. Why? Because he had nothing to do with what is happening right now. Biden and Biden alone owns that. Thats not partisan, it is an obvious fact. Biden authored, authorized and ordered this withdrawal. Its his.

And you would be wrong as usual. Obama should have taken our troops out but fell for the malarkey from our Generals who never have seen a war they did not like. Biden told him that at the time too. You are right that Biden wanted us out what you are wrong about is that the current situation was not his doing. It was the plan made by Mr. One and done and like he told the crowd at his rally Biden could not reverse it without opening another page in a war without end that we were always going to lose.

 

[Napoleon]

Nice fantasy.. The exact hour we would leave was the only surprise, the miles of empty buildings were a big clue. Bagram was actually part of the agreement you clearly haven’t read..

I clearly have read the agreement that states in no uncertain terms that all US forces would be out of the country by May 1st 2021. And I noted when Biden tore that agreement up and made his own timeline and withdrawal execution plans. Forget the exact hour. The US didn’t tell the Afghans or our NATO allies the day, the week, or the month we would abandon Bagram. Turns out, to everyone’s surprise, Biden decided to just do it and shut the power off to boot on the way out in the middle of the night on July 1, 2021.

 

[Fletch]

LOL I knew it. You still don't get it. There was no way to win in Afghanistan and plenty of ways for our soldiers to be maimed and killed for no good reason. The one term mistake knew it but he just didn't have the balls to take the heat himself. That is why he left it for Biden.

Thats silly. We won in Afghanistan years ago. No American soldiers have been killed in over a year. The question was always, how do we leave without this place falling apart? The answer to that may just have been--we cant. Trump wanted out. Biden wanted out. Trump didnt pull the trigger. Biden did. The success or failure of that decision is Bidens and Bidens alone and no amount of whining, finger pointing and blame shifting by you is going to change that.

 

[iguanaman]

You dont know what you are talking about. US forces left Bagram on July 2 2021. Biden was president, He pulled the air support.

There were a total of 2000 troops in Afghanistan when Biden took office. Bagram was not capable of anything like air support. It was an empty shell that took 2 hours to clear out.

 

[iguanaman]

Thats silly. We won in Afghanistan years ago. No American soldiers have been killed in over a year. The question was always, how do we leave without this place falling apart? The answer to that may just have been--we cant. Trump wanted out. Biden wanted out. Trump didnt pull the trigger. Biden did. The success or failure of that decision is Bidens and Bidens alone and no amount of whining, finger pointing and blame shifting by you is going to change that.

We won nothing as long as we had to invest billions a month and keep 16,000 troops there. You call that winning? Besides in the last year the Taliban were not interested in fighting an enemy that has surrendered and committed to leave. Why should they lose men when they already won the war? Had Biden engaged them there would have been casualties. That is what you wanted. More dead Americans fighting a civil war on the other side of the world while the Afghan people run and hide.

 

[Fletch]

And you would be wrong as usual. Obama should have taken our troops out but fell for the malarkey from our Generals who never have seen a war they did not like. Biden told him that at the time too. You are right that Biden wanted us out what you are wrong about is that the current situation was not his doing. It was the plan made by Mr. One and done and like he told the crowd at his rally Biden could not reverse it without opening another page in a war without end that we were always going to lose.

False. Biden did a review of Afghan policy after he was elected and decided back in April to remove US troops on HIS timetable and by HIS approach. You want to blame Trump because you simply cant face the fact that the guy you voted for could F this up so badly. Well, he did

 

[Napoleon]

Our allies were not providing air support for the Afghan army and it is not clear what they were doing there at all. Trump withdrew all our resources including air support months before Biden took office. The Afghan military leaders had already made agreements with the Taliban to surrender as soon as Taliban arrived in return for amnesty. There were no forces to oppose the Taliban when they took Kabul. None at all. The 2000 man skeleton force Trump left were just placeholders for the Taliban and were never enough to engage them in battle.

That is factually untrue. The US is still doing air strikes in Afghanistan and our NATO allies were doing them too.

 

[Fletch]

There were a total of 2000 troops in Afghanistan when Biden took office. Bagram was not capable of anything like air support. It was an empty shell that took 2 hours to clear out.

Then Clueless Joe, being the foreign policy expert that he was, should have increased our troop numbers there to ensure a smooth exit. He didnt. He was oblivious to the changing picture on the ground as was clear by his July 8 press conference when even reporters saw a Saigon moment approaching. Biden is the dunce that everyone always knew he was. Its just that his stupidity could be hidden when he was in the senate. Now that he is president we can see just how incomptent he is.

 

[Fletch]

We won nothing as long as we had to invest billions a month and keep 16,000 troops there. You call that winning? Besides the Taliban were not interested in fighting an enemy that has surrendered and committed to leave. Why should they lose men when they already won the war?

Do you call what is happening there now winning?

 

[iguanaman]

Do you call what is happening there now winning?

Yes it is the only way we can win. By leaving. Just like Vietnam. We should have done it 20 years ago too.

 

[iguanaman]

Then Clueless Joe, being the foreign policy expert that he was, should have increased our troop numbers there to ensure a smooth exit. He didnt. He was oblivious to the changing picture on the ground as was clear by his July 8 press conference when even reporters saw a Saigon moment approaching. Biden is the dunce that everyone always knew he was. Its just that his stupidity could be hidden when he was in the senate. Now that he is president we can see just how incomptent he is.

No he should not have. We are done fighting someone else's war for them. Sorry. The Afghan's wanted a peaceful transition of power and we had no right to interfere. There was no plan that would have made a smooth exit either. It could have been smoother if we hadn't surrendered over a year ago though. That year gave the Taliban plenty of time to make the arrangements they did with the Afghan army. That was a huge problem made especially for Biden by the one term mistake. So much for Trump's promise that he would not reveal his intentions to the enemy.

Trump on national security: 'I don’t want to broadcast my intentions' like Obama​

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...curity-i-dont-want-to-broadcast-my-intentions​

 

[iguanaman]

That is factually untrue. The US is still doing air strikes in Afghanistan and our NATO allies were doing them too.

Not from Afghanistan...We have had no strike aircraft there since 2020. It is quite difficult to call in support aircraft that are many hours away.

There are no U.S. strike aircraft in Afghanistan, as the U.S. troop withdrawal continues. So, U.S. warplanes are traveling from several hours away to reach their targets. Kirby refused to say how many airstrikes U.S. aircraft have done in recent days.Aug 9, 2021

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-taliban-dada0eccbb2fde176f825036eae6e8ef#:~:text=There are no U.S. strike,have done in recent days.

 

[iguanaman]

I disagree. I think he thought he was gonna win in 2020. The problem is this would have been the same with him now

LOL We did win. Leaving Afghanistan was the closest thing to a victory we have ever had there.

 

[Plasmaball]

LOL We did win. Leaving Afghanistan was the closest thing to a victory we have ever had there.

That wasn't my point

 

[MaryP]

Biden will get close to 200K out..

Where are you getting those figures?

 

[Callen]

Where are you getting those figures?

Just extrapolating based on the numbers so far. My estimation only........

 

[iguanaman]

That wasn't my point

That was what the LOL was for. Biden has no misconceptions about that war. He only said what he said to try and keep the Afghan army from collapsing a day or 2 longer.

 

[Fletch]

LOL We did win. Leaving Afghanistan was the closest thing to a victory we have ever had there.

So you thank Trump for that then. Or are you just talking out of both sides of your mouth again.

 

[Fletch]

No he should not have. We are done fighting someone else's war for them. Sorry. The Afghan's wanted a peaceful transition of power and we had no right to interfere. There was no plan that would have made a smooth exit either. It could have been smoother if we hadn't surrendered over a year ago though. That year gave the Taliban plenty of time to make the arrangements they did with the Afghan army. That was a huge problem made especially for Biden by the one term mistake. So much for Trump's promise that he would not reveal his intentions to the enemy.

Trump on national security: 'I don’t want to broadcast my intentions' like Obama​

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...curity-i-dont-want-to-broadcast-my-intentions​

LOL If what you say is true then Biden was lying on July 8 when he said the Afghan army could handle the Taliban and that there would be no Saigon moment. Your arguments just get more far-fetched and desperate as time goes on. Here is an article by the far right publication the NYTimes that talks about how Taliban control grew once Biden started his withdrawal of troops on May 1. Clueless Joe watched this happen then went in front of the press and lied about it

20 Years of Defense, Erased by the Taliban in a Few Months (Published 2021)

Maps show the stunning speed of Taliban advances after the United States began to withdraw.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Fletch]

Biden will get close to 200K out...how many did Trump get out? Stephen Miller and Pompeo did everything they could to ensure that as few Afghans got out as possible.

Biden isnt getting them out, the Taliban is allowing them to leave. Our soldiers are sitting ducks and the Taliban is allowing this to play out until the 31st. Biden knows this which is why he wont stay one minute longer.

 

[jnug]

Biden isnt getting them out, the Taliban is allowing them to leave. Our soldiers are sitting ducks and the Taliban is allowing this to play out until the 31st. Biden knows this which is why he wont stay one minute longer.

Trying really hard not to see what has actually happened aren't you.

 

[Fletch]

Trying really hard not to see what has actually happened aren't you.

Are you joking?? The Taliban is allowing this to happen, we are not making it happen. WTF are you looking at?

 

[jnug]

Are you joking?? The Taliban is allowing this to happen, we are not making it happen. WTF are you looking at?

And they have every reason to do so to a point. I have said for three weeks now that there would be a certain degree of what for the Taliban amounts to magnanimous largess as the WINNERS to the LOSERS. But that was a window that would close. It is what it is and was always going to be, just in a condensed time frame of a complete collapse of the Afghan government, military and security services in a mere 11 days.
- we backed the losing side. In fact, we could not convince ourselves that all that money and all that time would result in such a complete defeat of the forces we backed and such a complete disintegration of Afghan government and forces in 11 days... a very natural state of affairs which again more than suggests we should not have stayed a day longer than the day we killed bin Ladin and got the Al Queda camps. Nation Building or the attempt to do same is at the core of this mess. Bush 43 sshould not have gone in to the degree that he did. Obama should have gotten out sooner. Trump just yanked his Yo-Yo for four years and then negotiated a horrid deal....made the JCPOA seem like diplomatic genius.
- the idea that the Taliban would let us take out everybody that aided us, that worked in the former Afghan government and their families for 20 years was a laughable target. Was never going to happen. I don't think this is as much about brain drain as it is about women leaving. Much of the brain drain the Taliban is referring to probably occurred very early in the evacuation. But the women are another story. I can easily see Taliban leadership sitting around their conference tables saying "they are stealing our women" seeing how many are getting on those airplanes.

And for the record this is not Vietnam, not nearly. As usual the panting breathless media opined in error AGAIN. Looked up, saw a helicopter and announced "See, Vietnam". We left virtually all of our Viet partners behind and made no bones about it. We picked them up at sea from boats as those that left in the main arranged their own passage out.