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Biden Decides To Stick To Aug 31st Deadline!

iguanaman said:
You still have not said what these "horrible decisions" were and what you would have done differently. That leads me to believe you are lying and this is just a partisan effort to discredit the President. Just admit that you wanted Biden to recommit our troops to fight the Taliban all on our own so you could complain that he is a "war monger" and a liar who claimed he would get us out and didn't. That is what your dear leader did for 4 years.
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Well you are wrong about that, as usual and it is nothing more than yet another attempt to deflect from the mess your boy has made of things. And his horrible decisions were numerous and span form not recognizing that the Taliban were on the march, to focusing more on troop withdrawal than on getting people and equipment out, to abandoning Bagram. You would know this if you werent so focused on ways to absolve your guy of any responsibility for what he did.
 
ClaraD said:
or perhaps they received word that Americans would be out by that date and the Taliban would coordinate to make sure that occurs...

One thing I want to point out...When Trump was releasing all those Taliban fighters...there were 2 US hostages being held by the Taliban...those hostages are still being held.....tell me, what did Trump do to get them released? Why did he release a single Taliban fighter without those two Americans being released?
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That agreement was nothing but an unconditional surrender to all the Taliban's demands with nothing but lip service from them. The Afghans saw it as it was too.
 
jmotivator said:
True, we may never know the full extent of the tragedy. Many without family could take a while to be known.
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Not a single American has been seriously injured or killed during this withdrawal
 
lemmiwinx said:
What happened to Americans leaving a country gracefully instead of in a panic with their heads down? Vietnam ring a bell?
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Biden said there was no way that was going to happen, so it isnt happening
 
Fletch said:
Well you are wrong about that, as usual and it is nothing more than yet another attempt to deflect from the mess your boy has made of things. And his horrible decisions were numerous and span form not recognizing that the Taliban were on the march, to focusing more on troop withdrawal than on getting people and equipment out, to abandoning Bagram. You would know this if you werent so focused on ways to absolve your guy of any responsibility for what he did.
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What good would "recognizing that the Taliban were on the march" do? Our entire fighting force and their equipment were removed already by the one term mistake. I am not absolving Biden of anything but you don't even have a coherent explanation of what other options he had except to recommit all the assets that were removed before he was in office. That was not what he promised voters he would do and not what he felt was best for America.
 
Fletch said:
Biden said there was no way that was going to happen, so it isnt happening
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So that is your real complaint then. That Biden would not admit the Afghan army was a sham soon enough for you? If he had things would have gone downhill even faster and there would have been even worse chaos.
 
gbg3 said:
Yeah, except you'd be blocked by terrorists in getting anywhere near the ship by departure time - even though you tried and tried to get there in time.
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Trump could have had everyone out by the end of his term if he wanted, but he was too busy golfing, lying, and complaining everything was rigged for him.
 
pocket aces said:
Trump could have had everyone out by the end of his term if he wanted, but he was too busy golfing, lying, and complaining everything was rigged for him.
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Yes it is ironic that America's biggest loser was too afraid to lose the war in Afghanistan on his watch. He pinned it on Biden instead.
 
Acadia said:
If Biden got intel that the Taliban could take over and collapse the Afghan government, which he did, absolutely.
It boggles the mind that instead of planning for the worst-case scenario, and even handing Bagram AF base over to the Taliban, Biden scoffed publicly and told Americans we would not see this happen.
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Trump deal PROHIBITED the US from involving itself in the domestic affairs of Afghanistan. The Afghan National Army turned Bagram over to the Taliban, not the US.
 
BlueTex said:
Trump deal PROHIBITED the US from involving itself in the domestic affairs of Afghanistan. The Afghan National Army turned Bagram over to the Taliban, not the US.
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Biden didn’t operate under the terms of the Trump deal. He made his own terms. It was Biden’s decision to abandon Bagram in the middle of the night and the fact that the Afghan National Army couldn’t even stop civilians from looting the place after we left should have been his first clue that they could never put up a fight against the Taliban.
That was part of the problem with Biden’s withdrawal strategy. He had our troops Houdini in the middle of the night without telling anyone so no one had a chance to fill the void other than the Taliban.
 
Napoleon said:
Biden didn’t operate under the terms of the Trump deal. He made his own terms. It was Biden’s decision to abandon Bagram in the middle of the night and the fact that the Afghan National Army couldn’t stop civilians from the looting the place after we left should have been his first clue that they could never put up a fight against the Taliban.
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Meaning what? That we should do all the fighting? That somehow another year there would change things? Biden committed to leaving Afghanistan because it is the right thing to do for America and has been for decades. As much as you hate us to lose there we were always going to fail and the only "winning" was getting out. Just like in Vietnam.
 
iguanaman said:
Meaning what? That we should do all the fighting? That somehow another year there would change things? Biden committed to leaving Afghanistan because it is the right thing to do for America. As much as you hate us to lose there we were always going to fail and the only "winning" was getting out. Just like in Vietnam.
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It means that Biden should have kept our allies and the Afghan forces in the loop so they could adequately plan to compensate for the loss of US troops. No one even told the base commander so the Afghan forces were completely unprepared to defend and hold Bagram. And yeah, Biden had a lot of nerve to berate the Afghan forces after he set them up to fail in making formerly secure positions vulnerable by disappearing US forces without giving the Afghan forces a chance to plan for that departure and deploy their troops effectively in response.
 
Napoleon said:
Biden didn’t operate under the terms of the Trump deal. He made his own terms. It was Biden’s decision to abandon Bagram in the middle of the night and the fact that the Afghan National Army couldn’t even stop civilians from looting the place after we left should have been his first clue that they could never put up a fight against the Taliban.
That was part of the problem with Biden’s withdrawal strategy. He had our troops Houdini in the middle of the night without telling anyone so no one had a chance to fill the void other than the Taliban.
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Nice fantasy.. The exact hour we would leave was the only surprise, the miles of empty buildings were a big clue. Bagram was actually part of the agreement you clearly haven’t read..
 
Fletch said:
There is nothing about my response that is partisan. You can blame Bush and Obama if your objection is to how they handled Afghanistan when they were in office. But we arent talking about that. We are talking about how we exit the country and who is responsible for the manner in which we left. That responsibility falls upon one man--Joe Biden. The hyperpartisanship here is on you. It is you who are trying desperately to spread the blame around in order to reduce the impact of the horrible decisions made by your buy.
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Everything about your post is partisan.
Not at all. I want out of the nation.
 
iguanaman said:
That agreement was nothing but an unconditional surrender to all the Taliban's demands with nothing but lip service from them. The Afghans saw it as it was too.
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If that were true, then Biden is a fool for going along with it.
 
Napoleon said:
It means that Biden should have kept our allies and the Afghan forces in the loop so they could adequately plan to compensate for the loss of US troops. No one even told the base commander so the Afghan forces were completely unprepared to defend and hold Bagram. And yeah, Biden had a lot of nerve to berate the Afghan forces after he set them up to fail in making formerly secure positions vulnerable by disappearing US forces without giving the Afghan forces a chance to plan for that departure and deploy their troops effectively in response.
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Our allies were not providing air support for the Afghan army and it is not clear what they were doing there at all. Trump withdrew all our resources including air support months before Biden took office. The Afghan military leaders had already made agreements with the Taliban to surrender as soon as Taliban arrived in return for amnesty. There were no forces to oppose the Taliban when they took Kabul. None at all. The 2000 man skeleton force Trump left were just placeholders for the Taliban and were never enough to engage them in battle.
 
iguanaman said:
What good would "recognizing that the Taliban were on the march" do? Our entire fighting force and their equipment were removed already by the one term mistake.
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If you see that your withdrawal plan is leading to massive gains by the Taliban then you reverse course
I am not absolving Biden of anything but you don't even have a coherent explanation of what other options he had except to recommit all the assets that were removed before he was in office. That was not what he promised voters he would do and not what he felt was best for America.
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He had all kinds of options, including keeping a force there indefinitely or enlarging the force to insure that the withdrawal of civilians and assets went smoothly. He was in charge and only he could make such decisions[/QUOTE]
 
Fletch said:
If that were true, then Biden is a fool for going along with it.
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Biden did not want to launch another US offensive against the Taliban so he would have been a fool if he didn't go along with it. The 2000 men that he was left there by the one term mistake had no air support and would have been going on a suicide mission. I'm sure you would like your son to be the last American soldier killed in a war we lost. Biden would have none of that.
 
Fletch said:
<snip >. That responsibility falls upon one man--Joe Biden. <----- That is not factual truth. There are many people involved in making decisions about the troop withdrawal, including significant input from military brass. However, ultimately, the buck does stop at the POTOS's desk.
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It has probably already been said. I love your OP, but Biden doesn't "decide" anything. He reads what is handed to him and answers questions from journalists he is told to call on.
 
Plasmaball said:
Everything about your post is partisan.
Not at all. I want out of the nation.
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If my post were partisan, I would have blamed Obama. But I didnt. Why? Because he had nothing to do with what is happening right now. Biden and Biden alone owns that. Thats not partisan, it is an obvious fact. Biden authored, authorized and ordered this withdrawal. Its his.
 
Fletch said:
If my post were partisan, I would have blamed Obama. But I didnt. Why? Because he had nothing to do with what is happening right now. Biden and Biden alone owns that. Thats not partisan, it is an obvious fact. Biden authored, authorized and ordered this withdrawal. Its his.
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Did Obama help or not help nation build?
 
Fletch said:
If you see that your withdrawal plan is leading to massive gains by the Taliban then you reverse course
He had all kinds of options, including keeping a force there indefinitely or enlarging the force to insure that the withdrawal of civilians and assets went smoothly. He was in charge and only he could make such decisions
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LOL I knew it. You still don't get it. There was no way to win in Afghanistan and plenty of ways for our soldiers to be maimed and killed for no good reason. The one term mistake knew it but he just didn't have the balls to take the heat himself. That is why he left it for Biden.
 
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