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Biden’s challenge to Mitch McConnell: Go ahead, burn the place down

Cope said:
Yes, it explodes under most major political party rule, which is exactly why grid lock is best to the centrist and independents.
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This is kind of hilarious. We heard nothing of this the last time the debt ceiling was raised. Suddenly, with the Dems in charge, its a crisis.
 
Cope said:
I personally don't like reconciliation, as an option, at all. So I see nothing wrong with the forced usage of it.
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The Dems may get rid of the filibuster for dealing with the debt ceiling.
 
jdog said:
You are looking at it logically, logic is a foreign concept to Democrats. What they truly want is enough money to bail out the financially floundering liberal cities and states so they do not have to deal with the political embarrassment of the failure of Democratic policies.
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That's good for an irony of the WEEK award.
 
j brown's body said:
I'm getting lectured on civic by a guy who doesn't understand the filibuster.

The GOP should vote for it. As the Dems did when the GOP was last in control.
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Everybody should vote for it. Everything I support should be voted yes by everybody.

Too bad it doesn't work that way.
 
jdog said:
So, the 3.5 in new spending, is actually debt incurred by previous administrations..... More lies.
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The debt ceiling has nothing to do with that.

The debt ceiling is about paying bills on money already spent.

If you understood the facts you wouldn't be so easily conned.
 
Cope said:
Yes, it explodes under most major political party rule, which is exactly why grid lock is best to the centrist and independents.
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I oppose gridlock. But I also oppose drastic change. Moving in a particular direction is fine, just not at breakneck speed.
 
Michael Cole said:
I oppose gridlock. But I also oppose drastic change. Moving in a particular direction is fine, just not at breakneck speed.
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I used grid lock but I agree with you. It is my firm belief that if something is popular enough amongst the entire US population, then it will pass. You won't recall such things though because they are usually not highly publicized because they are non-partisan in nature.

Kinda like the first infrastructure bill ...
 
j brown's body said:
The problem with this, and it goes along with the GOP embracing tyranny over democracy, their "constituents are limited to their supporters. They are not the same thing. And their constituents, as well s their supporters, stand to gain quite a bit from this bill.

Its about power. That's what appeals to tyrants.
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No constituents stand to gain anything from this bill except more debt for which they are personally responsible. The money will all be stolen and wasted while the debt continues to grow until the government is no longer solvent. Do you know what happens then? The same thing that happened in 1933. The public bails out the government with their own money and assets.
It is the American public who is ultimately responsible for the governments debts, and liabilities. That figure today comes out to about $80K per tax payer, for current debt, and about $470K for unfunded liabilities. As Klaus Schwab said, by 2030 you will own nothing......
 
j brown's body said:
I'm getting lectured on civic by a guy who doesn't understand the filibuster.

The GOP should vote for it. As the Dems did when the GOP was last in control.
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Brought to you by a guy who doesn't understand reconciliation bypasses the filibuster.
 
NolanVoyd said:
The debt ceiling has nothing to do with that.

The debt ceiling is about paying bills on money already spent.

If you understood the facts you wouldn't be so easily conned.
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More lies. Can you say anything that is not a lie? The issue is not the debt ceiling, it is the budget bill. The fact that they cannot do their duty and pass a budget bill is the reason the debt ceiling needs to be raised.
 
Cope said:
I used grid lock but I agree with you. It is my firm belief that if something is popular enough amongst the entire US population, then it will pass. You won't recall such things though because they are usually not highly publicized because they are non-partisan in nature.

Kinda like the first infrastructure bill ...
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Agreed. Start small, and if everything works as planned, it can be expanded. No need to go all-in right now.

First thing I want to see is if the rich do indeed pay more.
 
jdog said:
More lies. Can you say anything that is not a lie? The issue is not the debt ceiling, it is the budget bill. The fact that they cannot do their duty and pass a budget bill is the reason the debt ceiling needs to be raised.
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That's false. The debts have already been incurred.
 
jdog said:
More lies. Can you say anything that is not a lie? The issue is not the debt ceiling, it is the budget bill. The fact that they cannot do their duty and pass a budget bill is the reason the debt ceiling needs to be raised.
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That is a fact.

A basic one.

No wonder you are so easily conned.
 
j brown's body said:
Odd coming from a party that has been invited in to do a bi-partisan infrastructure deal. Short memories.
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shrug...

Who can make sense of the games when the players don't make their motivations clear?
 
jdog said:
You are looking at it logically, logic is a foreign concept to Democrats. What they truly want is enough money to bail out the financially floundering liberal cities and states so they do not have to deal with the political embarrassment of the failure of Democratic policies.
Without that extra 2-3 T they will not have the cushion necessary to bail them out, and it will be much easier to track and account for every dollar spent, and that it is actually going into infrastructure and the things they promised. That is a real problem for them.
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You should look at the Red habitual welfare States. No that's embarrassing
 
Michael Cole said:
That's false. The debts have already been incurred.
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Did you graduate high school? You seem to have no idea how the Federal Budget works. Debt service is figured into the budget every year. When they pass the budget bill it includes the payments on the debt service. Perhaps you should find a subject you know something about to comment on, so you do not embarrass yourself.
 
NolanVoyd said:
That is a fact.

A basic one.

No wonder you are so easily conned.
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Another person who does not understand high school level civics....
 
jdog said:
Did you graduate high school? You seem to have no idea how the Federal Budget works. Debt service is figured into the budget every year. When they pass the budget bill it includes the payments on the debt service. Perhaps you should find a subject you know something about to comment on, so you do not embarrass yourself.
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That's also false. Batting .000

Hope you're not batting cleanup.
 
jdog said:
No constituents stand to gain anything from this bill except more debt for which they are personally responsible. The money will all be stolen and wasted while the debt continues to grow until the government is no longer solvent. Do you know what happens then? The same thing that happened in 1933. The public bails out the government with their own money and assets.
It is the American public who is ultimately responsible for the governments debts, and liabilities. That figure today comes out to about $80K per tax payer, for current debt, and about $470K for unfunded liabilities. As Klaus Schwab said, by 2030 you will own nothing......
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"Unfunded liability" is a meaningless figure because it means whatever the person using it wants it to mean. You can make up any scenario to make up any number. Our unfunded liabilities are actually one hundred QUADRILLION dollars... if you use a long enough timeframe.

All liabilities are unfunded. If they were funded, they aren't liabilities anymore.
 
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