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Bernie Sanders rolls out Medicare-for-All plan

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-bill-live-updates/
Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vermont, unveiled his Medicare-for-All legislation at the U.S. Capitol Wednesday afternoon."Today, all of us stand before you and proudly proclaim our belief that health care in America must be a right, not a privilege," Sanders said, flanked by several Democratic senators co-sponsoring his bill.
The Vermont senator's bill seeks to set up a single-payer model for health insurance, which he says would make health care both less complicated and less expensive for Americans. It would expand the Medicare program to cover more of the 28 million individuals who currently lack health insurance, even under the Affordable Care Act.
"The only long-term solution to America's health care crisis is a single-payer national health care program," Sanders' website explains.
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I'm wondering if this has any real chance of passing at this point in time - what with Republicans and probably some few Democrats not supporting it.
 
The Democrats are going full-communist. They aren't even trying to hide it, anymore.
 
A [very slight] majority of Americans support single payer. The political room for it is there, but it's difficult to imagine it gaining traction in the immediate future when Republicans are still pushing for health care reform that strips consumers of all their protections.
 
Cardinal said:
A [very slight] majority of Americans support single payer. The political room for it is there, but it's difficult to imagine it gaining traction in the immediate future when Republicans are still pushing for health care reform that strips consumers of all their protections.
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It's an interesting addition to the conversation, if nothing else.

Be interesting to see how the established systems react.
 
apdst said:
The Democrats are going full-communist. They aren't even trying to hide it, anymore.
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I'm fairly sure single-payer healthcare is socialist, rather than communist.
 
apdst said:
The Democrats are going full-communist. They aren't even trying to hide it, anymore.
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LOL, and all our seniors are commie lovers. Got it. Gooder point!
 
Cardinal said:
A [very slight] majority of Americans support single payer. The political room for it is there, but it's difficult to imagine it gaining traction in the immediate future when Republicans are still pushing for health care reform that strips consumers of all their protections.
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Until they see the price tag and figure out who's paying for it. Not to mention all the crap that'll be hidden in it, like death panels.
 
JasperL said:
LOL, and all our seniors are commie lovers. Got it. Gooder point!
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Why do you say they're commies? Support that blanket statement. I want to see your gooder point.
 
The Sanders plan has some issues with disability funding. As written, would probably kill off Medicaid 1915 (c) funds, which account for half of the funds for long term services and supports; would require people with disabilities to have asset and bank account tests for continued enrollment, while letting everyone else in the country keep their bank accounts untouched. As a first draft, could be worse, but certainly not the end-result we would support. Medicare For All, it is not.
 
Jesse Booth said:
Correction: that one openly socialist senator is still openly socialist. One example does not make a pattern.
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People who support the communist legislation are supporting communism and therefore, communists.
 
Renae said:
If it ever passed, that would be the day America officially ended its run as a free country.
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Doesn't make a lot of sense. It depends on the rankings, but the U.S. is something like #5-#15 in rankings of "economic freedom" and at least nearly all if not all of them ranked BETTER than the U.S. on economic freedom have some form of single payer/universal healthcare system. The fear of "single payer" is completely irrational. Just ask any senior on Medicare.
 
Fiddytree said:
The Sanders plan has some issues with disability funding. As written, would probably kill off Medicaid 1915 (c) funds, which account for half of the funds for long term services and supports; would require people with disabilities to spend down their bank accounts to keep enrolled, while letting everyone else in the country keep their bank accounts untouched As a first draft, could be worse, but certainly not the end-result we would support. Medicare For All, it is not.
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It will never, nor will it ever be intended to be medicare for all.
 
JasperL said:
Doesn't make a lot of sense. It depends on the rankings, but the U.S. is something like #5-#15 in rankings of "economic freedom" and at least nearly all if not all of them ranked BETTER than the U.S. on economic freedom have some form of single payer/universal healthcare system. The fear of "single payer" is completely irrational. Just ask any senior on Medicare.
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You wouldn't understand, you think people should be subservient to the government, reliant and grateful to be looked after.
 
Cardinal said:
A [very slight] majority of Americans support single payer. The political room for it is there, but it's difficult to imagine it gaining traction in the immediate future when Republicans are still pushing for health care reform that strips consumers of all their protections.
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The problem is single payer (as well as "Medicare for All") is a lot like the repeal and replace slogan. It's really easy to say "yeah, we all agree to replace" but it's the details that matter.
 
apdst said:
Why do you say they're commies? Support that blanket statement. I want to see your gooder point.
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They're not, but you're calling single payer "full communism" but if that's true then our seniors are in, and love, a communist healthcare plan, which would appear to me to make them communist lovers! It's stupid, but that's YOUR point, not mine. Bottom line is single payer, or Medicare, is no more "communist" than is our military.
 
JasperL said:
They're not, but you're calling single payer "full communism" but if that's true then our seniors are in, and love, a communist healthcare plan, which would appear to me to make them communist lovers! It's stupid, but that's YOUR point, not mine. Bottom line is single payer, or Medicare, is no more "communist" than is our military.
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Of course they aren't. It's their money that was paid into medicare.
 
Renae said:
You wouldn't understand, you think people should be subservient to the government, reliant and grateful to be looked after.
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I do understand that 'single payer' doesn't mean the end of freedom. Ask any senior, or roughly anyone else in any industrialized country on the planet. They'll be quite surprised that UHC and the fact that nearly everyone in their country has good access to quality healthcare means they're no longer free.

I also understand that your ad hominem attacks above are a poor excuse for an argument.
 
Fiddytree said:
The problem is single payer (as well as "Medicare for All") is a lot like the repeal and replace slogan. It's really easy to say "yeah, we all agree to replace" but it's the details that matter.
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I see this as a way to keep the issue in the national dialogue. The people who can turn this into a viable policy aren't in control right now, though I certainly hope they're taking the time to consider the details for when they are.
 
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