Ben Carson Thinks You Are Going To Hell

[pbrauer]

I've read similar things from other libs here on DP. If he's religious, pro-2ndA and anti-abortion the liberals think he can't be elected. Guess what? More people identify themselves as Conservatives and Liberals in the USA. It's all about getting the Conservative base to turn out and the independents who are on the bubble. I'm sorry, but I just don't believe that America is so far gone to the left that we can't save her.

I can't speak about anyone else, however for myself I have no problem with a candidate being a Christain or religious. It's candidates like Hucksbee and Carson who want their religion in our laws that I have a problem with. JFK was a liberal running for president who was a devout Catholic, he said his religion wouldn't interfear with his job as president.

 

[JayDubya]

Ben Carson's campaign ignored a hack making a hit piece for Ma Jones?

Shocking. :lamo

 

[cpwill]

His religion is the definition of bat**** lunacy.

So Obammer is gonna wipe usall out, eh?

 

[David_N]

So Obammer is gonna wipe usall out, eh?

Of course not, but fundamentalist beliefs are loony. Anyone who doesn't understand basic science and literally interprets specific text from an old book.
Ben Carson's Scientific Ignorance - The New Yorker

You have all these highfalutin scientists, and they’re saying that there was this gigantic explosion and everything came into perfect order. Now, these are the same scientists who go around touting the second law of thermodynamics, which is entropy, which says that things move toward a state of disorganization. So, now you’re going to have this big explosion, and everything becomes perfectly organized. When you ask them about it, they say, “Well we can explain this based on probability theory, because if there’s enough big explosions, over a long enough period of time, billions and billions of years, one of them will be the perfect explosion”…. What you’re telling me is, if I blow a hurricane through a junkyard enough times, over billions and billions of years, eventually, after one of those hurricanes, there will be a 747 fully loaded and ready to fly.

He doesn't seem to understand what he's talking about.

It is hard to find a single detailed claim in his diatribe that is physically sensible or that reflects accurate knowledge about science. His central claim—that the second law of thermodynamics rules out order forming in the universe after the Big Bang—is a frequent misstatement made by creationists who want to appear scientifically literate. In reality, it is completely false. Local order in parts of the universe is always possible at the expense of heat and disorder dissipated to the external environment. The human body is one example: we take in energy from our environment to build up complex molecules that help power our bodies, and, in doing so, we release heat to the world around us. A snowflake is another beautifully ordered example of what simple natural meteorological processes can produce. Stars form by gravity, collapsing into spherically ordered structures that can remain in this form only if they release tremendous heat energy into the environment. Carson elides these physical realities by creating a straw man: he says that scientists believe that, after the Big Bang, the universe was “perfectly ordered.” But no such claim has been made by scientists; instead, we describe how local order, including galaxies, stars, planets, and life, developed over time.

Perhaps his silliest statements have to do with our own solar system. Carson claims that our solar system is perfectly ordered—but, in fact, the motion of the planets is chaotic in the long term, and, although we can predict the motion of comets over the seventy-year period he discusses, for longer time horizons, such as millions or billions of years, the complexity of our solar system makes that practically impossible. Even more problematically, he points to the fact that some moons orbit in different directions from their planets and argues that those orbits would be impossible if there had been a Big Bang, because angular momentum would forbid it:

Carson claimed that evolution, as explained by Darwin, was actually the work of the devil. (“I personally believe that this theory that Darwin came up with was something that was encouraged by the adversary, and it has become what is scientifically, politically correct.”) As if invoking Satan weren’t bad enough, Carson resorted to bad puns to sidestep his scientific ignorance: he went on to say that he was planning a book called “The Organ of Species,” which he said would “talk about the organs of the body and how they completely refute evolution”—an amazing claim that would require a rewriting of most biology texts. At another point in the speech, he uses a long stream of medical terminology to argue against the biochemical origins of life—something he doesn’t seem to realize has nothing to do with Darwinian evolution itself. Elsewhere, he claims that plants couldn’t have evolved before bees and that sexual reproduction shouldn’t have evolved at all, and suggests that geological formations provide evidence of a great flood, not an old Earth.

 

[Kobie]

Ben Carson thinks I'm going to hell.

He's probably right.

Mention my name at the door. You'll get a good seat.

 

[David_N]

Carson did not explicitly mention other Seventh-day Adventist tenets. But a central belief of the church is that most other Christian denominations will end up working with the devil. Seventh-day Adventists hold that the Sabbath should be worshipped on Saturday and that religions that observe the Sabbath on Sunday have been corrupted by Satan. The church's early prophet Ellen White cast much of the blame for this supposed perversion of the Sabbath on the Roman Catholic Church.

Does Ben Carson Believe Most Evangelical Voters Are Going to Hell? | Mother Jones

White's prophecies—rendered in the 1800s—are regarded as sacrosanct by the church. She predicted that when Jesus Christ returns to earth, per the Book of Revelation, and triggers the final and cataclysmic clash between God and the Antichrist, a paramount battle will be over the Sabbath. She foresaw the government doing the devil's bidding by outlawing the Saturday Sabbath, locking up Seventh-day Adventists, and even threatening them with death. And she prophesized that other Christian denominations would hold fast to the Sunday Sabbath and become handmaidens of Satan. Ultimately, Jesus Christ would vanquish Beelzebub, and only Seventh-day Adventists, because they stuck with the Saturday Sabbath, would join him in the kingdom of God. The other Christians? Well, they would be forever condemned.

In a 2014 talk at a Seventh-day Adventist church in Australia, Carson signaled that he believed this is indeed what's coming. He cited "prophecy"—which is how Seventh-day Adventists routinely refer to White's predictions—and noted that the "persecution" of the Sabbath was on the horizon.

 

[upsideguy]

That is, unless you hold the Sabbath on a Saturday. Also, Sunday-Service Christians will consort with the Devil and conspire to enslave/lock up Seventh-Day Adventists. Just more ridiculous beliefs this "genius" doctor holds. Wonder how his evangelical supporters will feel about him when they finally learn this fact?

Actually, 7th Day Adventists do not believe in hell. They believe in Conditional Immorality, that is the wicked at destroyed (dead/dead). Most evangelicals, OTH, will tell you that most voters (and not voters) are going to hell.

 

[GunFora]

I can't speak about anyone else, however for myself I have no problem with a candidate being a Christain or religious. It's candidates like Hucksbee and Carson who want their religion in our laws that I have a problem with. JFK was a liberal running for president who was a devout Catholic, he said his religion wouldn't interfear with his job as president.

JFK was a Democrat, but he was a 1960's Democrat. Hell, I would have voted for him. He wasn't a Liberal per se. Nothing like today's liberals. You don't have to worry so much. I don't think President Carson would be pushing for any laws that require you to go to church on Saturdays. A man of a Christian faith in the WH is a good thing.

 

[Goshin]

That is, unless you hold the Sabbath on a Saturday. Also, Sunday-Service Christians will consort with the Devil and conspire to enslave/lock up Seventh-Day Adventists. Just more ridiculous beliefs this "genius" doctor holds. Wonder how his evangelical supporters will feel about him when they finally learn this fact?

When Ben Carson personally says so, then the threat title and article title would be correct. Until that happens (and it won't) the title is willfully deceptive and undoubtably a politically-motivated hack job.

 

[Cardinal]

When Ben Carson personally says so, then the threat title and article title would be correct. Until that happens (and it won't) the title is willfully deceptive and undoubtably a politically-motivated hack job.

If you end your headline with a question mark then actual investigative journalism becomes unnecessary. Do you have a problem with people asking questions? Why do you hate the first amendment?

 

[Cardinal]

Let's take a step back and realize that the list of things any given religion or sect considers as a damnable offense is quite long, and that cumulatively this list just gets longer still.

I think it's safe to assume that we've all been marked for eternal damnation at one point or another by someone. What's one more?

While everyone has been squabbling over whose God is right, the most important question of all has been ignored: which hell am I going to?

 

[cpwill]

Of course not

YES HE IS. HE' ADMITS TO BEIN ONE OF THEM THAR CHRISTIAN FOLKIE'S!! I'M GONNA TAKE A BUNCHA STUFF OUT, MAKE IT SOUND AS RIDICULOUS AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN CLAIM HE BELIEVES ALL SORTSA CRAZY THINGS ABOUT IT!!


OBAMMER IS GONNA KILL US ALL, I TELL YA! HE'S CRAZY!!! LOOK AT THIS SECTION OF REVELATIONS COMPLETELY DIVORCED OF CONTEXT FOLLOWED BY A EXAMPLE OF OBAMA STATING THAT HE IS A MEMBER OF A CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!!


Sound Dumb? You're right. It is.

 

[cpwill]

When Ben Carson personally says so, then the threat title and article title would be correct. Until that happens (and it won't) the title is willfully deceptive and undoubtably a politically-motivated hack job.

From Mother Jones, at the same time that Carson becomes the Republican front-runner?

That seems unlikely.

 

[cpwill]

Actually, 7th Day Adventists do not believe in hell. They believe in Conditional Immorality, that is the wicked at destroyed (dead/dead). Most evangelicals, OTH, will tell you that most voters (and not voters) are going to hell.

:lamo


Golly Gee Whillickers! OP didn't know what they was talking about?!

 

[David_N]

YES HE IS. HE' ADMITS TO BEIN ONE OF THEM THAR CHRISTIAN FOLKIE'S!! I'M GONNA TAKE A BUNCHA STUFF OUT, MAKE IT SOUND AS RIDICULOUS AS POSSIBLE, AND THEN CLAIM HE BELIEVES ALL SORTSA CRAZY THINGS ABOUT IT!!


OBAMMER IS GONNA KILL US ALL, I TELL YA! HE'S CRAZY!!! LOOK AT THIS SECTION OF REVELATIONS COMPLETELY DIVORCED OF CONTEXT FOLLOWED BY A EXAMPLE OF OBAMA STATING THAT HE IS A MEMBER OF A CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!!


Sound Dumb? You're right. It is.

Tell me what I am making sound ridiculous? I'm using what carson actually believes.
If you don't want to interpret the bible literally and cherrypick whatever you think sounds nice, be my guest.
Ben Carson's Scientific Ignorance - The New Yorker
Ben Carson compares abortion to slavery - BBC News
Ben Carson Obamacare

 

[Thrilla]

While everyone has been squabbling over whose God is right, the most important question of all has been ignored: which hell am I going to?

I'm not sure which hell it is, but I'd wager Rush Limbaugh will be your personal assistant and travel companion

 

[Thrilla]

From Mother Jones, at the same time that Carson becomes the Republican front-runner?

That seems unlikely.

:lol::lol:

 

[David_N]

While everyone has been squabbling over whose God is right, the most important question of all has been ignored: which hell am I going to?

So many to choose from! I'll probably rot for eternity with all of the sodomy. :lamo

 

[cpwill]

Tell me what I am making sound ridiculous? I'm using what carson actually believes.

:lol: Evidently Not.

 

[Cardinal]

I'm not sure which hell it is, but I'd wager Rush Limbaugh will be your personal assistant and travel companion

Actually, my hell will be filled with Los Angeles hipsters, and for some reason they'll always be playing mariachi music.

 

[David_N]

From Mother Jones, at the same time that Carson becomes the Republican front-runner?

That seems unlikely.

Ben carson attacks himself, and the GOP should be embarrassed that carson is leading, along with trump.
Ben Carson: If You Accept Evolution, "You Dismiss Ethics," Can't Believe In God And Evolution - BuzzFeed News

“Ultimately, if you accept the evolutionary theory, you dismiss ethics, you don’t have to abide by a set of moral codes, you determine your own conscience based on your own desires,” Carson told Adventist Review, the magazine of the Seventh-day Adventist Church of which Carson is a member for a 2004 cover story.

This is laughable. I've already posted enough about how stupid carson is though.

 

[cpwill]

Actually, my hell will be filled with Los Angeles hipsters, and for some reason they'll always be playing mariachi music.

...I don't think you get to pick your own Hell.


But if so..... just in case.... have I ever mentioned how much I absolutely loathe bacon, fine wine, and lingerie models?

 

[David_N]

:lol: Evidently Not.

The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels. At its close Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever.—Fundamental Beliefs, 26

So you're upset that "hell" doesn't refer to eternal damnation, but rather the mass genocide of all that are "wicked."

 

[Thrilla]

Actually, my hell will be filled with Los Angeles hipsters, and for some reason they'll always be playing mariachi music.

wow... you win.

...or lose, as it were

 

[cpwill]

Ben carson attacks himself, and the GOP should be embarrassed that carson is leading, along with trump.

Should they be as embarrassed as you for claiming that Carson's SDA beliefs means he thinks most other Christians are going to hell, when it turns out that SDA doesn't even believe in hell?