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Belgium's lower house of parliament has voted for a law that would ban women from wearing the full Islamic face veil in public.
The law would ban any clothing that obscures the identity of the wearer in places like parks and on the street. No-one voted against it.
The law now goes to the Senate, which is also expected to approve it. It would then become law by June or July.
The ban would be the first move of its kind in Europe.
Only around 30 women wear this kind of veil in Belgium, out of a Muslim population of around half a million.
The BBC's Dominic Hughes in Brussels says MPs backed the legislation on the grounds of security, to allow police to identify people.
Other MPs said that the full face veil was a symbol of the oppression of women, our correspondent says.
The ban would be imposed in all buildings or grounds that are "meant for public use or to provide services", including streets, parks and sports grounds.BBC Story
Maybe Bub can help here - are there only 30 women in Belgium who actually wear the Burkha?
Sounds like a poor use of legal time and effort when the actual numbers involved are absolutely miniscule. I'm pretty certain there are other ways Belgium could have tackled the problem more efficiently - and that's leaving aside the personal liberty issues.
I swear, if they ever try to pull that fascist bull**** in this country, I will take up wearing a veil in protest. I'll start a ****ing movement for women to wear them in protest.
Absolutely disgusting.
You stated:It's not about veils, it's about burqas, the cloth that some women are forced to wear so that everyone can see that they are inferior.
And you have to know that the law is not a "ban on burqas", it bans every mask/veil
LMFAO :lol:Do you know the saying "when there is a strong man and a weak man, a rich man and a poor man, a master and a slave, it is freedom that oppresses and law that emancipates"?
You stated:
So apparently, it IS about burquas OR veils.
Well you should learn the difference between a burqa and a veil, and then we'll speak about that again.
I swear, if they ever try to pull that fascist bull**** in this country, I will take up wearing a veil in protest. I'll start a ****ing movement for women to wear them in protest.
Absolutely disgusting.
Lefties seem to lack the insight to know that any woman wanting to wear the burka to avoid the gaze of men need only wear a pair of dungarees and a beany hat. (Many feminists actually do.)
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I'm quite aware of the difference. You said the law bans BOTH
It's a famous quote, and I can't see neither the hilarious part in it nor how is it actually wrong.LMFAO :lol:
So freedom is oppression. That's ****ing hilarious
It's a famous quote, and I can't see neither the hilarious part in it nor how is it actually wrong.
To explain it further, in a society where there is an oppressor and an oppressed, giving them freedom, AKA, "letting them be", will simply allow the continuance of the oppression - while on the other hand, enforcing a law would "free" the oppressed group and break the oppression.
It should really be easy to understand.
It's a famous quote, and I can't see neither the hilarious part in it nor how is it actually wrong.
To explain it further, in a society where there is an oppressor and an oppressed, giving them freedom, AKA, "letting them be", will simply allow the continuance of the oppression - while on the other hand, enforcing a law that forbids such oppression would "free" the oppressed group and break the oppression.
It should really be easy to understand.
And the group rising up and fighting their oppression would free themselves.
Sorry, freedom isn't oppression and the notion is ludicrous.
It is my understanding that most Muslim immigrants to Belgium are ethnically Arab. I have to ask then, where are these Muslim burkha-clad women in Belgium originally from?
bub? Can you help out here?
Thank you bub. Burkha's are not monolithic in Islam. For the most part, they are only worn in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and portions of India. Some Persian women wear a chador, which is similar in construction to a burkha.The huge majority are Morrocans or Turks, and among those ones maybe 1/2 or 1/3 wear a veil and the males are dressed like Westerners.
But recently there have been some new immigrants coming from Afghanistan and Pakistan, I guess it's those ones who wear the burqa while the males wear "oriental" dresses.
There are also some very rare cases of Belgians who convert to Islam, and these ones tend to be very radical, so it's not impossible that one or two "white" women wear a burqa, too.
Some women do in fact choose to don a burkha of their own volition. Other women are physically forced to wear it in public by family males or the husband.
The core problem is that it is almost impossible to truthfully discern an individual woman's motivation... respect for modesty - or - fear of retribution.
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