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Being Liberal

Why are you a liberal ? Some will say they believe in social justice, equality, and compassion. Others are liberal because they support a higher minimum wage, abortion rights, reducing climate change, and affordable universal healthcare. Liberalism is often identified with open mindedness, flexibility, reason, and science too. None of these things are wrong, but liberalism is a distinct political tradition based on certain values. Paul Starr writes in the Oxford Companion to American Politics : Liberalism stands for a belief in the equal right to freedom and dignity, advanced by a government of constitutionally restrained powers. In different historical contexts, liberals have varied in their understanding of that ideal and the policies needed to achieve a free and prosperous society and secure world.

Author Edmund Fawcett is more concise defining liberalism as a belief in constitutional government and rule of law; hostility to concentrated power and authority; faith in progress; respect for individual rights; and tolerance. I am a liberal because I believe in it's values.

Individual freedom core value of Liberalism. Think about it as noninterference - being left alone. You can do what you want. The only legitimate exercise of government authority is to keep individuals from harming or imposing on each other. This is the basis for freedom of speech, thought, expression, religion, and privacy. It also protects your property from the government. In America these freedoms are enshrined in the Bill of Rights which are the first ten amendments to the Constitution. However noninterference isn't enough. Individuals must be able to choose and follow their own goals. We can't talk about responsibility or initiative in any meaningful sense without choice or making your own way in society. Each person must choose an occupation, where to live, their friends, and intimate relations. People make life plans and strive to accomplish all kinds of things based on their own thoughts, desires, and efforts. Oftentimes the state, social barriers, or other people deprive individuals of choice and hinder their goals. How does this happen ? Discrimination based on race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or national origin undermines individual freedom. Poverty, hunger, home- lessness, unemployment, and the lack of affordable healthcare deprive people of all kinds of choices. This makes personal goals un- attainable too. Noninterference is often called negative freedom. The ability to choose and
pursue your own goals is called positive freedom. Individuals need both.

In Liberalism individual freedom is upheld by limited government, equality, tolerance, and pluralism.

Limited government means the state is constrained. There are things it cannot do and they are spelled out in a written constitution. Liberals oppose a government with too much power that acts arbitrarily. Such a state denies negative and positive freedoms. Imagine a government that imprisons critics, censors speech, or ideas. That government will restrict press freedom. If it owns the means of production, trade, and commerce it can mismanage the economy making life miserable for it's citizens. Moreover nobody would oppose that government because their livelihood depends on it. Limited government prevents this from happening. This is the liberal effort to control power. No government, faction, or interest group can be too powerful if power is diffused. This checks people's efforts. In America limited government depends on the separation of powers among it's executive, legislative, and judicial branches. Through a system of checks and balances neither branch is too powerful. Conservatives and liberals disagree about what constitutes limited government. Conservatives think the welfare state, progressive income taxes, and regulated markets are inconsistent with limited government. Liberals support these things while seeking to protect civil liberties, privacy, and personal freedom from government interference. It must also be pointed out that while liberals have supported a larger administrative state they work to keep it transparent and responsive. This is done through freedom of information, open records, public hearings, inspectors general, enabling, and protecting whistle blowers.

Equality is one of the most difficult yet essential parts of Liberalism. People want to be free, but they do not want the same thing for others. Liberals believe every individual has the same right to freedom. They must be equal before the law, have a voice in government, and a chance to make the most of their lives. To Liberals each person has worth and dignity so their rights and wellbeing matter. Equal protection shields them from state or private abuse. For all these reasons Liberalism gradually embraced democracy and universal suffrage. Furthermore straight, white, male, Liberals became more supportive of rights for blacks, women, and LGBT people. Liberal equality doesn't mean everyone will have the same wealth, income, prestige, or level of success. But everyone should have the same opportunity unhindered by class, race, or gender. Moreover economic inequalities should never be so great that most people struggle to survive on the verge of destitution while a few are extremely rich. Lastly liberal equality assures each citizen a voice in their government which means the monied can't dominate government officials or policy making. Without equality some individuals are free and others are not. Liberals rightly oppose this.

Tolerance is a widely misunderstood and controversial concept. Many on the Left define it as affirmation without value judgement. Those on the Right claim it is permissive undermining morality, values, and community. Yet tolerance is essential to a free society. It means putting up with someone or something we strongly oppose. Tolerance allows us to argue and disagree while respecting each other's lives and freedom. It is not avoidance or conflict resolution. It is the direct opposite of these things. We may never resolve our differences or deep disagreements; so we must live and govern ourselves together without tyranny or violent strife. All this leads to pluralism which is the coexistence of many different people, values, and lifestyles in one society.

This is the reality of a modern world connected by technology, a global economy, and immigration.
Liberalism doesn't strive to impose an ideal way of life. It enables different, conflicting, competing values, and thoughts to exist together.

The same thing is true in politics. Liberals want to win elections and gain political power to advance their agenda. But Liberals don't want to abolish or repress their opponents. That would betray everything Liberalism stands for. Liberals realize in a truly free political realm where reasonable people debate in fair elections they must lose sometimes. Then they adapt and make better arguments. They offer better policies the next time. For liberal pluralists the clash of political interests and views where power is checked drives the democratic process. It forces people to find political solutions they can all live with. Like limited government and equality individual freedom is not possible without tolerance leading to pluralism.

None of this is abstract to me. Liberalism informs how I think about the political economy, social equality, identity politics, and wokeness.

Our economy doesn't work well for ordinary people whether they are paid hourly or they're salaried. It's increasingly difficult to make ends meet and a health crisis can lead to financial ruin even when you have health insurance. Not to mention its hard for millions of seniors to live adequately. I personally don't know anybody who can afford to live on either their Social Security or 401K alone. Most people need both. We're working smarter and being productive yet almost all the money and wealth are going to a few people at the top. At the same time the largest corporations are getting bigger and bigger making markets less competitive which hurts consumers and makes the rich more powerful than everybody else. You can't ensure individual freedom or the material well-being on which it depends under these circumstances. I'm not against wealthy people. I don't think we can or should eliminate wealth/ income inequality. But if we are going to have a free and prosperous society for every individual we will have to be more equal. Some corporations will have to be broken up, and the political power of monied interests will have be greatly reduced to ensure political freedom and real democracy.

Nobody is free as an individual if they are unjustly treated as part of a marginalized group. Think about black people punished more harshly by the criminal justice system than whites for the same crime or dying in disproportionate numbers during the Covid pandemic because they lack adequate healthcare. Consider Women in the workplace paid less than a man for the same while often facing sexual harassment and abuse. Imagine how difficult that is for Single parent mother in a lower paying job. While Gay and Lesbian people can get married they lack basic Civil Rights protections in housing, employment, and public accommodations in most states and at the Federal level. For Transgender people it's even more bleak. They are more likely to be homeless, unemployed, suffer from anxiety, depression, suicide, and violent hate crimes. There struggles and demands for justice run to heart of Liberal Ideals about individual freedom and the equal right to it.

Right now too many Liberals and Leftists think we have to choose one over the other for ideological reasons and political expediency. This is a huge mistake. If we focus solely on the economy or class the only people who will benefit are straight white cisgendered men. Does this mean for example that blacks or women don't have the same material concerns as working class white men? Absolutely not. But some people bear the added burden of race, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity.

Ultimately we must press for an economy that benefits working people as much as the rich or big business while also ensuring no one is denied or excluded based on race, gender, sexual orientation, or gender identity.

Some will read all of this and think of the Democratic Party. For some it will be a reason for hope and commitment to work. Others will see Liberalism as the problem. They will think negatively about Liberals as extremists whose.politics and policies are illegitimate and impractical. Both views are wrong because Liberalism and the Democratic Party aren't synonymous. The party is big tent with various groups, and I'm firmly convinced it's dominated by Centrist or Moderates. There are things Liberals must do to be relevant and effective regardless of what Democrats do. However a more relevant and effective Liberalism could have a positive effect on Democrats that would change our politics and our country for the better.

Whatever Democrats do history has shown what a reformist Liberal politics has done to make America more free and prosperous for all. From the New Deal in the 1930s through The Great Society of the 1960s and beyond. So much of what makes America livable from the forty hour work week and overtime pay to Social Security and Medicare are Liberal policy achievements. More is necessary and possible of Liberals will take a stand.
 
Why are you a liberal ? Some will say they believe in social justice, equality, and compassion. Others are liberal because they support a higher minimum wage, abortion rights, reducing climate change, and affordable universal healthcare. Liberalism is often identified with open mindedness, flexibility, reason, and science too. None of these things are wrong, but liberalism is a distinct political tradition based on certain values. Paul Starr writes in the Oxford Companion to American Politics : Liberalism stands for a belief in the equal right to freedom and dignity, advanced by a government of constitutionally restrained powers. In different historical contexts, liberals have varied in their understanding of that ideal and the policies needed to achieve a free and prosperous society and secure world.

y or violent strife. All this leads to pluralism which is the coexistence of many different people, values, and lifestyles in one society.

This is the reality of a modern world connected by technology, a global economy, and immigration.
Liberalism doesn't strive to impose an ideal way of life. It enables different, conflicting, competing values, and thoughts to exist together.



None of this is abstract to me. Liberalism informs how I think about the political economy, social equality, identity politics, and wokeness.

t are straight white cisgendered men. Does this mean for example that blacks or women don't have the same material concerns as working class white men? Absolutely not. But some people bear the added burden of race, gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity.



Whatever Democrats do history has shown what a reformist Liberal politics has done to make America more free and prosperous for all. From the New Deal in the 1930s through The Great Society of the 1960s and beyond. So much of what makes America livable from the forty hour work week and overtime pay to Social Security and Medicare are Liberal policy achievements. More is necessary and possible of Liberals will take a stand.
That's a nice piece. Who wrote it?
 
That's a nice piece. Who wrote it?

I wrote this piece in 2020 for my blog The Other Liberal. It's been significantly altered for reposting here. I recognize the importance and differences between the kind of Modern or (Social Liberalism) that I believe in compared to Classical Liberals and Libertarians. But I think they could appreciate certain points I'm making in this piece.

Thanks for responding.
 
Whatever Democrats do history has shown what a reformist Liberal politics has done to make America more free and prosperous for all. From the New Deal in the 1930s through The Great Society of the 1960s and beyond. So much of what makes America livable from the forty hour work week and overtime pay to Social Security and Medicare are Liberal policy achievements. More is necessary and possible of Liberals will take a stand.
It has not been all good. It has created a welfare state in the inner cities that has insitutionalized poverty and has spawned gang violence and drug trade.
 
I wrote this piece in 2020 for my blog The Other Liberal. It's been significantly altered for reposting here. I recognize the importance and differences between the kind of Modern or (Social Liberalism) that I believe in compared to Classical Liberals and Libertarians. But I think they could appreciate certain points I'm making in this piece.

Thanks for responding.

This is you?
 

This is you?
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I am Liberal because, thanks to bat shit crazy, mean, angry Republicans that WOKE me the **** up, when they LEFT (pushed) me out of my Registered Party of 42 years.
 
I think I ended up on the liberal end because being a duped fauxie rage potato idiot kept setting off this uncomfortable alarm in my head. It sounded like this :

"bullshit bullshit this is bullshit stop being an idiot you ****ing idiot bullshit you're watching an infomercial bullshit you know this is bullshit remember when you were the smart kid this is bullshit your parents are right again turn off this stupid bullshit and while you're at it quit smoking lose weight and she's cheating on you"

Eventually, I turned that faux bullshit off. Lost weight and quit smoking, too. And yep, sure enough.
 

This is you?
Also reposted the original version at Daily Kos.

Thanks 😊
 
It has not been all good. It has created a welfare state in the inner cities that has insitutionalized poverty and has spawned gang violence and drug trade.
I'm going to disagree with you here because Welfare specifically Aid To Families With Dependent Children was never strictly black or urban. It was in fact always mostly white just like SNAP and Medicaid. Secondly, if we're talking about blacks in urban areas remember they faced racial discrimination in employment and housing for generations. Even to the extent they never gained as much as whites from the New Deal or the booming industrial economy sustained by Keynesian government spending advanced by
Liberals.

When it comes to the ghetto and persistent inequality that still impacts Black America today the biggest problem is that Liberalism didn't do enough to change the system. Things like Great Society were both good and bad. Good because it made Poverty and Racism a concern for government. Bad because it often focused more on effects then systemic change.
 
I'm going to disagree with you here because Welfare specifically Aid To Families With Dependent Children was never strictly black or urban. It was in fact always mostly white just like SNAP and Medicaid. Secondly, if we're talking about blacks in urban areas remember they faced racial discrimination in employment and housing for generations. Even to the extent they never gained as much as whites from the New Deal or the booming industrial economy sustained by Keynesian government spending advanced by
Liberals.
I am not trying to make it a black or white thing. There are poor rural communities with intitutional poverty as well, however it's the inner cities that it's most obvious.
When it comes to the ghetto and persistent inequality that still impacts Black America today the biggest problem is that Liberalism didn't do enough to change the system. Things like Great Society were both good and bad. Good because it made Poverty and Racism a concern for government. Bad because it often focused more on effects then systemic change.
Doing enough requires a hand up rather then a permanent handout. There needs to be a level of tough love. Able bodied adults should have a sunshine date on their welfare entitlements just like ricipients of unemployment compensation. There are far too many families that have subsisted entirely on welfare entitlements for generations. Some states do emply what''s called a workfare program where you have to work for your benefits. In addition some of the yuppie businesses like Starbucks, who claim to want to have a race conversation, should put their money where there mouth is and open franchises in the inner cities and hire locally like McDonalds and Burger King do.
 
IMHO, the idea that some folks get “free” or “affordable” (meaning fully paid for or subsidized by others) goods/services which others are not only expected to pay full price for (plus a tax burden on top of that) is where Liberalism fails to provide their alleged ‘equality’.

Poverty, hunger, homelessness, unemployment, and the lack of affordable healthcare deprive people of all kinds of choices.

Most of the working class end up spending the bulk of their personal income to provide their households with housing, utility services, food, transportation, medical care and clothing. I fail to see why it’s Liberal to add taxation to help support others who aren’t elderly and/or disabled to the basic living expenses of the working class.
 
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IMHO, the idea that some folks get “free” or “affordable” (meaning fully paid for or subsidized by others) goods/services which others are not only expected to pay full price for (plus a tax burden on top of that) is where Liberalism fails to provide their alleged ‘equality’.



Most of the working class end up spending the bulk of their personal income to provide their households with housing, utility services, food, transportation, medical care and clothing. I fail to see why it’s Liberal to add taxation to help support others who aren’t elderly and/or disabled to the basic living expenses of the working class.

Thanks for responding.

None of this has to be mutually exclusive or a zero sum if you think about it. Anybody who works is eligible for certain kinds of help in times of need like Unemployment or Disability benefits. Even Medicaid in some states. Those taxes you complain about pay for those things.But there are also low wage workers, people who lose jobs, those who struggle to afford adequate housing, and who don't have employer paid health insurance. An economic downturn like the Great Depression or the 2007 Financial Crisis put millions of working people in dire straits as well. I think we have to get beyond the notion that Welfare and everyone who gets help is bad.

BTW if you want to talk about more comprehensive social safety net that isn't means tested based on income like that under Social Democracy in Western Europe that's better under another thread. But I would just say most Americans don't probably want that much government and taxation.
 
Thanks for responding.

None of this has to be mutually exclusive or a zero sum if you think about it. Anybody who works is eligible for certain kinds of help in times of need like Unemployment or Disability benefits. Even Medicaid in some states. Those taxes you complain about pay for those things.But there are also low wage workers, people who lose jobs, those who struggle to afford adequate housing, and who don't have employer paid health insurance. An economic downturn like the Great Depression or the 2007 Financial Crisis put millions of working people in dire straits as well. I think we have to get beyond the notion that Welfare and everyone who gets help is bad.

BTW if you want to talk about more comprehensive social safety net that isn't means tested based on income like that under Social Democracy in Western Europe that's better under another thread. But I would just say most Americans don't probably want that much government and taxation.

That (bolded above) is precisely my point. Once you go beyond offering unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare and (traditional) Medicaid then the taxation necessary to support additional “universal” redistribution of income/wealth “safety net” programs places a burden on the majority of the working class to support a (growing?) coasting (loafing?) class.

There’s nothing preventing a (blue?) state (or even local) government from adding all manner of additional (means tested?) “safety net” programs except the ability of folks being able to ‘vote with their feet’. Once the requisite state (or local) tax burden rises, those working class (or above) folks seeking a lower cost of living will move elsewhere and more of those in the coasting (loafing) class will move in to take advantage of the additional “safety net” program benefits offered.
 
That (bolded above) is precisely my point. Once you go beyond offering unemployment insurance, Social Security, Medicare and (traditional) Medicaid then the taxation necessary to support additional “universal” redistribution of income/wealth “safety net” programs places a burden on the majority of the working class to support a (growing?) coasting (loafing?) class.

Would you consider yourself a member of that "coasting/loafing" class, ttwtt78640? Or do you feel you worked hard paying into the system, and therefore earned your taxpayer-funded benefits and that most others who take these benefits are lazy do-nothings? That aside, I agree that the burden should mainly be placed on the wealthy who make their money and build their wealth on the backs of the American worker rather than on the workers and the professional managerial class.

There’s nothing preventing a (blue?) state (or even local) government from adding all manner of additional (means tested?) “safety net” programs except the ability of folks being able to ‘vote with their feet’. Once the requisite state (or local) tax burden rises, those working class (or above) folks seeking a lower cost of living will move elsewhere and more of those in the coasting (loafing) class will move in to take advantage of the additional “safety net” program benefits offered.

Well, yeah. That is why such a proposal as you this would be inane. If you, personally, had to rely on such a system, you would almost certainly have to move out of Texas. Social safety net systems must be universal, not localized. But the main burden of paying for them should be on the very wealthiest of society who have benefited from extracting wealth from Americans. I think there should be a very, very healthy wealth tax on individuals and trusts worth more than eight figures.
 
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Would you consider yourself a member of that "coasting/loafing" class, ttwtt78640?

No.

Or do you feel you worked hard paying into the system, and therefore earned your taxpayer-funded benefits and that most others who take these benefits are lazy do-nothings?

No.

That aside, I agree that the burden should mainly be placed on the wealthy who make their money and build their wealth on the backs of the American worker rather than on the workers and the professional managerial class.



Well, yeah. That is why such a proposal as you this would be inane. If you, personally, had to rely on such a system, you would almost certainly have to move out of Texas. Social safety net systems must be universal, not localized. But the main burden of paying for them should be on the very wealthiest of society who have benefited from extracting wealth from Americans. I think there should be a very, very healthy wealth tax on individuals and trusts worth more than eight figures.

Name some of those “individuals and trusts worth more than eight figures” and tell me precisely how they “have benefited from extracting wealth from Americans”.
 
Naturally.
Naturally.

Name some of those “individuals and trusts worth more than eight figures” and tell me precisely how they “have benefited from extracting wealth from Americans”.

Every single billionaire and centi-millionaire in this nation. From Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Soros on down to local business magnates. Their massive wealth was built on the backs of the workers and tenants of the firms and real estate trusts they own. And most of them use their wealth to buy our politicians at the local, state and Federal levels to pass laws that grant them even more power and privileges over the common working men and women of our society. For the sake of our Republic and the commonwealth, it is necessary for anyone worth above $100 million to be subject to a heavy wealth tax. Not simply because they can “afford” to so, or that they should “pay their fair share” (a sentiment I find inane) but because allowing them to accumulate unlimited wealth demonstrably worsens our society. In the same way that all the wealth, power and privilege being in the hands of the French aristocracy worsened French society and led to class warfare in the late 18th Century.
 
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Naturally.

Naturally.



Every single billionaire and centi-millionaire in this nation. From Musk, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Soros on down to local business magnates. Their massive wealth was built on the backs of the workers and tenants of the firms and real estate trusts they own. And most of them use their wealth to buy our politicians at the local, state and Federal levels to pass laws that grant them even more power and privileges over the common working men and women of our society. For the sake of our Republic and the commonwealth, it is necessary for anyone worth above $100 million to be subject to a heavy wealth tax. Not simply because they can “afford” to so, or that they should “pay their fair share” (a sentiment I find inane) but because allowing them to accumulate unlimited wealth demonstrably worsens our society. In the same way that all the wealth, power and privilege being in the hands of the French aristocracy worsened French society and led to class warfare in the late 18th Century.

That (bolded above) could be said for everyone in a capitalist economy. You seem to be driven by envy of those more successful than yourself.



I suppose you could start your wealth redistribution quest by amending the Constitution to allow a direct, non-apportioned federal tax on wealth.

The power of the donor class to influence politicians is 100% dependent on having corruptible politicians, yet the electorate (mindlessly?) re-elects them while (foolishly?) expecting them to change the policies which they have implemented.
 
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The leftists here are not liberal.

Liberalism is not an authoritarian ideology predicated on tribal identity.
 
The leftists here are not liberal.

Liberalism is not an authoritarian ideology predicated on tribal identity.

What authoritarian ideology? Would you please be specific gardener? What are leftists here on this board or in this country proposing that would seriously constrain your liberty?
 
It has not been all good. It has created a welfare state in the inner cities that has insitutionalized poverty and has spawned gang violence and drug trade.
SNAP, TANF, HUD assistance, and other government safetynet programs have no qualification criteria based on race or ethnicity. White people qualify for them based upon the same income qualifications that Black people qualify for them.

Thus, if you believe that the problems inner cities are due to government safetynet programs, you have believe there is something special about Black people that makes them negatively impacted by those programs in a way that white people are not. To assume that would be a racial bias whether you are conscious of it or not. Moreover, it doesn't hold when you compare us to our peer nations. We aren't the only country with a social safety-net. All of of high income peer nations have an extensive social safety-net. Usually far more extensive than our's is. So if the welfare state causes gang violence and the drug trade in our cities, why does it not cause it nearly to the same extent in European cities? For example, France has by any measure a much more extensive welfare state than we have. Paris is a very diverse city. Yet, in comparison to American cities, homicides in Paris are rare. You can safely walk in any neighborhood in Paris. I have done it. So why does their welfare state not result in Paris being a violent city?

The reason why poverty is so pervasive in the inner city of many American cities is result of decades of redlining and other forms of institutional discrimination. It has only been in the last 30 years or so that we have done away with redlining in many cities. Decades of redlining resulted in concentrated poverty. There are plenty of white people that live in poverty, but comparably few live in concentrated poverty. In contrast, Blacks are around 5 times as likely to live in concentrated poverty.
"the higher the concentration of poverty, the higher the levels of aggressive crime. " https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articl... the,important in deterring aggressive crimes.
 
That (bolded above) could be said for everyone in a capitalist economy.

Indeed.

You seem to be driven by envy of those more successful than yourself.

No moreso than my hatred of slavery is driven by envy of slave plantation owners sunning themselves on their porches watching their slaves toil in their fields.



I suppose you could start your wealth redistribution quest by amending the Constitution to allow a direct, non-apportioned federal tax on wealth.

Any household worth more than $100 million, absolutely. 10% minimum wealth tax, annually.

The power of the donor class to influence politicians is 100% dependent on having corruptible politicians, yet the electorate (mindlessly?) re-elects them while (foolishly?) expecting them to change the policies which they have implemented.

The billionaires do not stop at buying politicians. People’s political views are shaped by their media environment which is completely controlled by the same billionaires who buy our politicians. That is why Citizens United was such a damaging decision to our country.
 
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