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Being LGBT is Not a Sin

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Plenty of religions claim being LGBT is a grievous sin against God and against creation. Some religions go so far as to demand the death penalty like in Islam and in certain Christian African countries. Gay rights still do not exist in atheist regimes such as China, Vietnam, etc. As it pertains to Christianity though, the Bible does not call being LGBT a sin, and science would argue that LGBT people are born this way and literally "knit in the womb" by God Himself as queer individuals.

In more recent times the Bible has been warped to read as "homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God" with an anti-LGBT message being preached to the LGBT community. The mainstream evangelical church has taken several approaches to the LGBT question. At first, being LGBT was labelled as a mental disease/disorder to be "cured" through therapy, conversion camps, prayer, and mental healing by God. Abusive conversion therapy was mainstream which resulted in numerous sham marriages, suicides, addiction, and other spiritual and mental anguish. Lately, the church has adopted more of a "LGBT people must be celibate to please God." Attempts to change one's sexual orientation or gender identity have failed and resulted in much harm, so the more popular approach is to state that being LGBT is a result of living in a fallen world and God wants all LGBT people to be celibate, single, and deny themselves to follow Christ. Such an approach seems diametrically opposed to the Heart and Mind of God, as God clearly says in 1 Corinthians that marriage, sex, and romantic love are good things created by God and those who struggle with lust should wed lest they struggle forever. 1 Corinthians 7: 5-9"5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.6I say this as a concession, not as a command.7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion."

The Bible seemingly affirms man and woman marriage, however hermeneutical study would state the intended audience had no concept of same-sex attraction, homosexuality, transgender identity, or a concept of same-sex romantic love. The Heart and Mind of God by extrapolation given the original intent seems to affirm that God created us as sexual beings and for those who's spiritual gift is not celibacy or singleness, that they should wed. Stating the spiritual gift of all LGBT people is celibacy and prescribing a life of lonliness goes against what the Holy Spirit is conveying through Paul.

"Arsenokoites" and "malakos" are two words commonly merged to read as "homosexual" in newer translations of the Bible. Martin Luther, early church fathers, and subsequent use of such words pointed to "male child molesters" or some kind of abusive sex practices. https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27

Arsenokoites is a word Paul made up, future church fathers and uses of the word point to some kind of male rape or humiliation. Malakos meant "soft" or "weak willed" and Jesus Himself even uses the word to condemn tax collectors for showing off their "soft" rich clothing. It also meant "effeminate" in the sense that women were seen as the weaker sex and thus unable to control their sexuality. However, modern translators have dishonestly merged arsenokoites and malakos to read as "effeminate men who have sex with men" and mistranslated it as "homosexuals." Not all homosexuals are effeminate, and such a mistranslation is a bastardization of the Bible intended to condemn an entire group of people. We know that being LGBT is programmed into the brain during fetal development:


Sexuality and gender orientation are hardwired into the brain and unchanging. It is not a mental disorder or a choice, but rather a variation of brain anatomy likely linked to hormone exposure in the womb. As a gay Christian, I firmly believe that God does not condemn homosexuals as living in sin and modern mistranslations and theology condemning LGBT people are based on bias, homophobia, and misguided ideas about the nature of God.
 
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It is almost comical how much time some people still spend obsessing over gay relations. They are absolutely terrified of gays.

Such critics should really get a life.

Or they should adopt the attitude that a fomer police chief here in Los Angeles once publicly announced. He said something like, "My vice cops have entrapped a lot of homosexuals. But I do not dislike them. Heck! They just leave more women for us real men!"
 
If God exists and created people, some of whom are gay, that's his responsibility. So Christians who have a problem with gay people ultimately have a problem with God.
Religious conservatives pick and choose what sect they belong to as a way to defend their own bigotry. The church is to conform to their opinions instead of them following what Jesus taught. I have a very conservative neighbor who effectively created a coup to overthrow the minister after he preached about the wrong message for 3 weekends in a row,. When then that didn't work the group who tried to oust the minister created their own church. It's like a redneck ISIL and they wonder why I am a godless heathen Humanist.

Their kids were home-schooled because they were unsuccessful in either stopping the teaching of sex ed and evolution or requiring public schools to teach creationism and abstinence. They are also at the forefront of banning books. When that didn't work their church members tried to steal or deface the books but were caught and banned from the library.

This is why I have often said that if Christian conservatives were required to obey the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their chosen savior, as recorded in the 4 gospels, they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

What's a sin?
Their creator created very fallible beings and then blames the creation for being fallible. Apparently, his omniscience and omnipotence are only partial and occasional.
 
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Plenty of religions claim being LGBT is a grievous sin against God and against creation. Some religions go so far as to demand the death penalty like in Islam and in certain Christian African countries. Gay rights still do not exist in atheist regimes such as China, Vietnam, etc. As it pertains to Christianity though, the Bible does not call being LGBT a sin, and science would argue that LGBT people are born this way and literally "knit in the womb" by God Himself as queer individuals.

In more recent times the Bible has been warped to read as "homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God" with an anti-LGBT message being preached to the LGBT community. The mainstream evangelical church has taken several approaches to the LGBT question. At first, being LGBT was labelled as a mental disease/disorder to be "cured" through therapy, conversion camps, prayer, and mental healing by God. Abusive conversion therapy was mainstream which resulted in numerous sham marriages, suicides, addiction, and other spiritual and mental anguish. Lately, the church has adopted more of a "LGBT people must be celibate to please God." Attempts to change one's sexual orientation or gender identity have failed and resulted in much harm, so the more popular approach is to state that being LGBT is a result of living in a fallen world and God wants all LGBT people to be celibate, single, and deny themselves to follow Christ. Such an approach seems diametrically opposed to the Heart and Mind of God, as God clearly says in 1 Corinthians that marriage, sex, and romantic love are good things created by God and those who struggle with lust should wed lest they struggle forever. 1 Corinthians 7: 5-9"5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.6I say this as a concession, not as a command.7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion."


Why is it this post is even necessary in this day and age?

Sorry, but this is a fight we won in the 90's, when I say 'we' I mean me and my gay & lesbian friends with whom I became sober.

What NEEDS challenging is the right of the church to interfere people's lives.

God hates religion with good reason, religion, not God has killed, maimed and tortured more people than have even been baptized. Religion was invented and remains no more than a means to control people's behavior. Read the old testament, Laviticus, where they tell you to burn down your house if you have mildew and to cook fish with smoke and not fire.

And Rome? The "Pontiff" has signed "Papal Bulls" which still stand that legalizes colonialist take overs of any land not already occupied by a European....thus a giant commercial slave trade was born.

Then there is the rape of children. I know I am supposed to call it 'sexual abuse' but it's rape nonetheless. How the **** do they get off banning gays when they are ****ing children?
 
It is almost comical how much time some people still spend obsessing over gay relations. They are absolutely terrified of gays.

Such critics should really get a life.

Or they should adopt the attitude that a fomer police chief here in Los Angeles once publicly announced. He said something like, "My vice cops have entrapped a lot of homosexuals. But I do not dislike them. Heck! They just leave more women for us real men!"
Seems the only ones obsessing over gays are gay. Those of many organized religions acept the religious view that being gay is a sin. The confirm that belief but few come close to obsessing over it. LBGTQ seem to think of nothing other than why religious believers think they are sinning. Well, as a Christian, I can tell you. Read the bible and you will find out.
Here's just one example.
 
If God exists and created people, some of whom are gay, that's his responsibility. So Christians who have a problem with gay people ultimately have a problem with God.

The same bible also commands that people are to be put to death on sunday Exodus 35:2, can't eat pork, can't eat shrimp, can't have tattoos, can't eat anything mixing meat with dairy.

Also the bible mentions slavery(an evil that no one approves of today)


Also beating slaves is fine, according to the bible.

 
Plenty of religions claim being LGBT is a grievous sin against God and against creation. < snip >

In more recent times the Bible has been warped to read as "homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God" with an anti-LGBT message being preached to the LGBT community. < snipped >

The Bible seemingly affirms man and woman marriage, however hermeneutical study would state the intended audience had no concept of same-sex attraction, homosexuality, transgender identity, or a concept of same-sex romantic love. The Heart and Mind of God by extrapolation given the original intent seems to affirm that God created us as sexual beings and for those who's spiritual gift is not celibacy or singleness, that they should wed. Stating the spiritual gift of all LGBT people is celibacy and prescribing a life of lonliness goes against what the Holy Spirit is conveying through Paul.

"Arsenokoites" and "malakos" are two words commonly merged to read as "homosexual" in newer translations of the Bible. Martin Luther, early church fathers, and subsequent use of such words pointed to "male child molesters" or some kind of abusive sex practices. https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27

Arsenokoites is a word Paul made up, < snipped >

Sexuality and gender orientation are hardwired into the brain and unchanging. < snipped >
I find it utterly fascinating that the same people who believe it's possible for someone who "is" male or female to change - or transition - from the one to the other.

And yet, these same people believe someone who "is" homosexual cannot possibly be expected to change to being heterosexual - that such a change is somehow against the laws of nature.

The primary fail of the OP is this very premise - bolstered by inane examples of a variety of many nincompoop's efforts over the ages to dismiss the bible - claiming Paul made up words, claiming the current understanding of the bible is somehow tainted, or claiming "new" understanding somehow reverses previous understanding, or claiming "new hermeneutics prove this or that in contrast to accepted biblical hermeneutics, and yada, yada, yada...

This is nothing new - in fact, naysayers have been similarly dismissing God's word since day one.

Mt 7:15 - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
Acts 20:29 - "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock"
2 Peter 2:1 - "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."
I John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

...and this OP is a perfect example.
 
It is almost comical how much time some people still spend obsessing over gay relations. They are absolutely terrified of gays.
Homosexual behavior sensually polluted Sodom and Gomorrah along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and Zoar/Bela (eventually) all the cities of the plain.
Such critics should really get a life.
What do critics do ---- but make one feel uncomfortable regarding what they observe.
Or they should adopt the attitude that a fomer police chief here in Los Angeles once publicly announced. He said something like, "My vice cops have entrapped a lot of homosexuals. But I do not dislike them. Heck! They just leave more women for us real men!"
Every man is only entitled to seeking out one woman according to the Bible. They also can spread diseases to the general population through fornicating bisexuals.
 
It is almost comical how much time some people still spend obsessing over gay relations. They are absolutely terrified of gays.

Such critics should really get a life.

Or they should adopt the attitude that a fomer police chief here in Los Angeles once publicly announced. He said something like, "My vice cops have entrapped a lot of homosexuals. But I do not dislike them. Heck! They just leave more women for us real men!"
A lot of people spend a lot of time thinking about it but want to express that they're not thinking about it because they like to think about it.

And then there are those people that I call piety dependent. The fact that there is a sin worse than the one they do makes them feel more pious. And let me cheat on their wife for covet their neighbors goods but at least they're not gay.
 
I find it utterly fascinating that the same people who believe it's possible for someone who "is" male or female to change - or transition - from the one to the other.

And yet, these same people believe someone who "is" homosexual cannot possibly be expected to change to being heterosexual - that such a change is somehow against the laws of nature.

The primary fail of the OP is this very premise - bolstered by inane examples of a variety of many nincompoop's efforts over the ages to dismiss the bible - claiming Paul made up words, claiming the current understanding of the bible is somehow tainted, or claiming "new" understanding somehow reverses previous understanding, or claiming "new hermeneutics prove this or that in contrast to accepted biblical hermeneutics, and yada, yada, yada...

This is nothing new - in fact, naysayers have been similarly dismissing God's word since day one.

Mt 7:15 - “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
Acts 20:29 - "I know that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock"
2 Peter 2:1 - "But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves."
I John 4:1 "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."

...and this OP is a perfect example.
How can you be so sure you aren't following false prophets.

I judge the tree by the fruit.
 
Homosexual behavior sensually polluted Sodom and Gomorrah along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and Zoar/Bela (eventually) all the cities of the plain.
Not biblically speaking. The original text in the Bible made no reference to a sexual sin in Sodom. That was all made up and edited into the Bible in the wake of Sigmund Freud.
What do critics do ---- but make one feel uncomfortable regarding what they observe.
I think he was being charitable when he said critic.
Every man is only entitled to seeking out one woman according to the Bible. They also can spread diseases to the general population through fornicating bisexuals.
So you believe diseases are magical entities only in gay people?

This day and age we have no requirement for the superstition I would say you need to catch up there was a Renaissance and industrial revolution several phases have happened since the dark ages.
 
Not biblically speaking. The original text in the Bible made no reference to a sexual sin in Sodom. That was all made up and edited into the Bible in the wake of Sigmund Freud.
I think he was being charitable when he said critic.
HERE IS THE 1611 KING JAMES ----- WELL BEFORE SIGMUND! https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Genesis-Chapter-19/
So you believe diseases are magical entities only in gay people?
I believe gay people may have sexual hang-ups. And that makes them susceptible to infection.
This day and age we have no requirement for the superstition I would say you need to catch up there was a Renaissance and industrial revolution several phases have happened since the dark ages.
People are as evil as they ever were.
 
HERE IS THE 1611 KING JAMES ----- WELL BEFORE SIGMUND! https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Genesis-Chapter-19/
And you believe that to be a factually true event?

I believe gay people may have sexual hang-ups. And that makes them susceptible to infection.
Everyone is susceptible to infection.

People are as evil as they ever were.
People are people, have been, are, and will be.

The reality is, there is no such thing as sin, there is only that which we allow our governments to deem as being unlawful and prosecutable.
 
A lot of people spend a lot of time thinking about it but want to express that they're not thinking about it because they like to think about it.

If they truly don't think about it, they wouldn't bring it up. I don't care about football, but you won't see me making threads on how much I don't care about football. Like why would I waste my time and energy on something I could care less about.
And then there are those people that I call piety dependent. The fact that there is a sin worse than the one they do makes them feel more pious. And let me cheat on their wife for covet their neighbors goods but at least they're not gay.
Yep.
 
If they truly don't think about it, they wouldn't bring it up. I don't care about football, but you won't see me making threads on how much I don't care about football. Like why would I waste my time and energy on something I could care less about.
Agreed. One thing that rarely ever crosses my mind and the only time it ever does is when someone brings it up to me is makeup I'll talk about it I don't think about it because I don't care about it. I know there's people that has been hours just talking about it doing different stuff with that just might as well be a bunch of people speaking Greek.
It's been a long time thinking about this woman that's the only rational explanation I can come up with I don't think all these people that are closeted gays.

Also I think a few people out there genuinely frightened that it is something that can be acquired. And think that behaving this way will encourage people not to acquire it.
 
Seems the only ones obsessing over gays are gay. Those of many organized religions acept the religious view that being gay is a sin. The confirm that belief but few come close to obsessing over it.
disagree with you here I think you're religious people just shut the hell up about it nobody would talk about it anymore. There would be absolutely nothing to talk about. Someone will say "I'm a bloke and I like blokes" and someone else will say "who cares" and that's not a conversation. It doesn't seem to be gay people that are setting up conversion therapy or trying to get people to pray the gay away. That's 100% religious people.
. LBGTQ seem to think of nothing other than why religious believers think they are sinning.
that's probably because some of these Christian types can't go 5 minutes without mentioning something about this. They're like vegans I can you tell someone vegan and they will inform you when you meet them.
Well, as a Christian, I can tell you. Read the bible and you will find out.
Here's just one example.
the problem with this is you're not really understanding what the Bible was saying cuz you're reading it in a modern language and in this modern language and the translations a lot of stuff gets screwed with. So I think it's important to read the Bible but it's also important to understand the time it was written.
this is the problem you run into do you want to Bible to say a certain thing to affirm some predetermined viewpoint you have lots of people have done that with the Bible throughout centuries.

What I'm asking you to do is not just read it but understand it.
 
The sin here is rape clearly.
The entire male population! Clearly they all began to accept a lie and live it out.
So being heterosexual makes your immune? Explain.
Absolutely not; however, there is the one proper reason for a sexual encounter and that is for making babies. Homosexuality cannot boast that, and in fact evilly influences heterosexual sex by the promotion of sex purely as a toy to enjoy.
How many public executions have you attended?
None. It shouldn't be a public spectacle but for the punishment of heinous crimes.
 
The entire male population! Clearly they all began to accept a lie and live it out.
It is just a story.
Absolutely not; however, there is the one proper reason for a sexual encounter and that is for making babies.
So there's no possible way to get illnesses doing that?
Homosexuality cannot boast that, and in fact evilly influences heterosexual sex by the promotion of sex purely as a toy to enjoy.
That's if I believed the above statement and I don't sex isn't just about making babies. If you think the only way you can enjoy sex with somebody is by treating it like a toy you are an emotionally stunted person.
None. It shouldn't be a public spectacle but for the punishment of heinous crimes.
So things have changed.
 
It is just a story.
AH! So how it's only a story...
So there's no possible way to get illnesses doing that?
Two people who are not fornicating or involved in adultery, but are true only to each other, are technically safe.
That's if I believed the above statement and I don't sex isn't just about making babies. If you think the only way you can enjoy sex with somebody is by treating it like a toy you are an emotionally stunted person.
You don't know me at all. I'm hardly stunted.
So things have changed.
Hangings and guillotining up till the 20th century were hardly private affairs.
 
Plenty of religions claim being LGBT is a grievous sin against God and against creation. Some religions go so far as to demand the death penalty like in Islam and in certain Christian African countries. Gay rights still do not exist in atheist regimes such as China, Vietnam, etc. As it pertains to Christianity though, the Bible does not call being LGBT a sin, and science would argue that LGBT people are born this way and literally "knit in the womb" by God Himself as queer individuals.

In more recent times the Bible has been warped to read as "homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God" with an anti-LGBT message being preached to the LGBT community. The mainstream evangelical church has taken several approaches to the LGBT question. At first, being LGBT was labelled as a mental disease/disorder to be "cured" through therapy, conversion camps, prayer, and mental healing by God. Abusive conversion therapy was mainstream which resulted in numerous sham marriages, suicides, addiction, and other spiritual and mental anguish. Lately, the church has adopted more of a "LGBT people must be celibate to please God." Attempts to change one's sexual orientation or gender identity have failed and resulted in much harm, so the more popular approach is to state that being LGBT is a result of living in a fallen world and God wants all LGBT people to be celibate, single, and deny themselves to follow Christ. Such an approach seems diametrically opposed to the Heart and Mind of God, as God clearly says in 1 Corinthians that marriage, sex, and romantic love are good things created by God and those who struggle with lust should wed lest they struggle forever. 1 Corinthians 7: 5-9"5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.6I say this as a concession, not as a command.7I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that.8Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am.9But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion."

The Bible seemingly affirms man and woman marriage, however hermeneutical study would state the intended audience had no concept of same-sex attraction, homosexuality, transgender identity, or a concept of same-sex romantic love. The Heart and Mind of God by extrapolation given the original intent seems to affirm that God created us as sexual beings and for those who's spiritual gift is not celibacy or singleness, that they should wed. Stating the spiritual gift of all LGBT people is celibacy and prescribing a life of lonliness goes against what the Holy Spirit is conveying through Paul.

"Arsenokoites" and "malakos" are two words commonly merged to read as "homosexual" in newer translations of the Bible. Martin Luther, early church fathers, and subsequent use of such words pointed to "male child molesters" or some kind of abusive sex practices. https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27

Arsenokoites is a word Paul made up, future church fathers and uses of the word point to some kind of male rape or humiliation. Malakos meant "soft" or "weak willed" and Jesus Himself even uses the word to condemn tax collectors for showing off their "soft" rich clothing. It also meant "effeminate" in the sense that women were seen as the weaker sex and thus unable to control their sexuality. However, modern translators have dishonestly merged arsenokoites and malakos to read as "effeminate men who have sex with men" and mistranslated it as "homosexuals." Not all homosexuals are effeminate, and such a mistranslation is a bastardization of the Bible intended to condemn an entire group of people. We know that being LGBT is programmed into the brain during fetal development:


Sexuality and gender orientation are hardwired into the brain and unchanging. It is not a mental disorder or a choice, but rather a variation of brain anatomy likely linked to hormone exposure in the womb. As a gay Christian, I firmly believe that God does not condemn homosexuals as living in sin and modern mistranslations and theology condemning LGBT people are based on bias, homophobia, and misguided ideas about the nature of God.
The only person whose condemnation matters is your own.
 
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