Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:998]

[MTAtech]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Ok, what has Obama done to promote improved economic activity? You think Obamacare, wealth redistribution, and the threat of higher taxes promotes economic activity? Much of the GDP growth last quarter was business replenishing inventory. The biggest component of GDP is still very stagnant because of consumer confidence in the incompetent in the WH

How many times are you going to repeat the same post that has been answered numerous times?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

More moronic hackery commentary!

The "misery index" relies on....wait for it....the very BLS data on inflation that has been posted multiple time for you to peruse. I'll post it once again:

And just to be absolutely clear, you answered for Fenton.....who is REJECTING the BLS data for some "real" inflation data, more than likely from Shadowstats or someone using their "data".

So in conclusion, you just made two HUGE errors in one post......that was not directed to you.

Get someone to help you figure out what the inflation rate was when Reagan took office and what it was when he left office and that is with putting 17 million new taxpayers on the payroll. Try looking at Obama's numbers with all the fed money infused into the economy and 20 million unemployed/discouraged workers/under employed back on the payroll.

You have really been brainwashed by an ideology that does nothing to truly help people get over their govt. dependence. Maybe that who you work for?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

How many times are you going to repeat the same post that has been answered numerous times?

Until I get a coherent answer to the direct question

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

And that means exactly what to those who aren't selling their homes and the millions and millions of Americans who don't own a home?

Not much.

But to the millions who are affected, it's pretty serious.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

I bought a new house recently. I was offered $650K in 2007 and now I can barely sell it for $450K. That's how I was hurt.

But that's me. Others are without jobs.

Then don't sell it. You don't sell it you don't take a loss which probably isn't a loss anyway

I bought a home in 1992 for 275,00 and was offered $700,000 for it, guess living in TX isn't that bad

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Get someone to help you figure out what the inflation rate was when Reagan took office and what it was when he left office

Me? FFS! It is right there in B&W. How many times do you need to ignore YOUR original argument, ignore the counter argument.....and change YOUR argument?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Not much.

But to the millions who are affected, it's pretty serious.

I am more concerned about the millions of Americans who are unemployed/under employed/discouraged and the rising debt service due to upcoming inflation. The economic activity in this country is disastrous and until Obama changes his tune it is going to remain stagnant. There is no reason for private business to grow payroll with demand this low. People are indeed hording money and it is all due to the uncertainty of Obamacare and Obama policies.

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Me? FFS! It is right there in B&W. How many times do you need to ignore YOUR original argument, ignore the counter argument.....and change YOUR argument?

You are the one using percentage change, what was the percentage change in inflation when Reagan took office to when he left?

 

[Fenton]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Inflation is the lowest it has been in decades
and actually SHOULD be higher.

I see you deal with inconvenient numbers the way many conservatives do, you make up your own alternate numbers.

You failed to mention that its "low" because food and fuel aren't weighted towards the CPI like they were during Reagans administration.

I suspect you failed to mention that based on political reasons.

Ideology over truth, wev'e been through this before.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

You failed to mention that its "low" because food and fuel aren't weighted towards the CPI like they were during Reagans administration.

I suspect you failed to mention that based on political reasons.

Ideology over truth, wev'e been through this before.

This is beyond STUPID!

You have been provided data EXCLUDING energy and food......now you want food and energy included........but if you do that for Reagan including the HIGHLY inflated energy costs during his first term.....he comes out MUCH WORSE!

FFS!

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

You are the one using percentage change, what was the percentage change in inflation when Reagan took office to when he left?

So you don't understand the multiple postings of the SAME DATA.....and you still need to change your argument!

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

So you don't understand the multiple postings of the SAME DATA.....and you still need to change your argument!

No, you need to mature and grow out of liberalism. Add food and energy into Obama's inflation rate or deduct if from Reagan's then compare apples and apples.

What you will never see is a comparison between Reagan and Obama's leadership skills and stewardship of the economy because Obama has none.

 

[winston53660]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

No, you need to mature and grow out of liberalism. Add food and energy into Obama's inflation rate or deduct if from Reagan's .

Why don't you do it?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

No, you need to mature and grow out of liberalism. Add food and energy into Obama's inflation rate or deduct if from Reagan's then compare apples and apples.

What you will never see is a comparison between Reagan and Obama's leadership skills and stewardship of the economy because Obama has none.

ffs! I ALREADY DID THAT.

Can't you read the title of the BLS data: All items less food and energy.....?!?!?

 

[Conservative]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

ffs! I ALREADY DID THAT.

Can't you read the title of the BLS data: All items less food and energy.....?!?!?

My apology, missed that however looks like a significant drop during the Reagan term and when he left it was about 4% and it looks like 2.5% now for Obama. Quite an improvement for Reagan showing what he inherited vs what Obama inherited. Now what is missing with that low inflation and prices is leadership skills something Obama doesn't possess

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

The economic activity in this country is disastrous and until Obama changes his tune it is going to remain stagnant.

It has nothing to do with Obama. We just emerged from a financial crisis that nearly crippled the global banking system. These things just take time. Once housing prices begin to reach levels that pull millions of homeowners above water, the economy will improve greatly. Until then, various forms of monetary and fiscal stimulus are all we can hope for. Luckily, this trend seems to have us on track by early 2015.

There is no reason for private business to grow payroll with demand this low.

To a degree. Smart companies will use this time to train new workers at a premium. Eventually, productivity gains will require a larger labor component.

People are indeed hording money and it is all due to the uncertainty of Obamacare and Obama policies.

Partisan nonsense at best.

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

No, you need to mature and grow out of liberalism. Add food and energy into Obama's inflation rate or deduct if from Reagan's then compare apples and apples.

I provided three metrics of inflation; CPI (all items), CPI (all items less food and energy), and the implicit price deflator for GDP (most accurate). It is hilarious you didn't realize this before being "educated".

 

[Fenton]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

This is beyond STUPID!


You have been provided data EXCLUDING energy and food......now you want food and energy included........but if you do that for Reagan including the HIGHLY inflated energy costs during his first term.....he comes out MUCH WORSE!

FFS!

Funny, it took a challenge from a Conservative to get you to add in your qualifiers.


Why your'e intent on bragging about the absolute lack of demand 5 years into the Obama " recovery " is beyond me.

TRILLIONS in new money sitting stagnant and inflation under Obama, REAL inflation is only 11%.

I suspect it has to do with your lack of objectivity and your race to find something, anything positive to attribute to this failure of a administration.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

It clearly matters when the bubble began. It began shortly after bush preempted all state laws against predatory lending. And again, blaming people ignores the documented responsibility that Bush's regulators had to protect the safety and soundness of the banking industry and the documented responsibility the banks had to their shareholders and depositors.

You and DadTo3's constant attempts at trying to place the blame for the entirety of the housing bubble on Bush is laughable.
Bush by his lonesome couldn't have made it all happen the same way that Bush by his lonesome couldn't have stopped it either.

It's far more complex, with many more actors involved than you want to admit, each having part of the responsibility and receiving their part of the blame. I think it's high time that you admit this to yourself.

 

[eohrnberger]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Gee, after months of the right-wing spewing propaganda about how bad Obamacare is, it's below 50%, and yes, the rollout was botched. But that doesn't detract from the fact that millions are signing up for health care they couldn't get and prices are generally lower on the exchanges for the same coverage. Yes, there are exceptions but every new policy isn't a win for everyone.

As for taxes, I care what others pay because aggregate taxes have to cover government services. If the rich pay less, the rest of us pay more.

So in other words, it's the government roles to pick the winners and losers then. How nice. (sarcasm)
I don't see this as a role appropriate for government. It's too easy to corrupt with money, and have the winners that you want always winning.
I see the market as being a better and more appropriate determinant of who wins and who loses, by their own actions, decisions, and their own efforts.

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

You failed to mention that its "low" because food and fuel aren't weighted towards the CPI like they were during Reagans administration.

Question: do we use more or less energy on a per-capita basis than we did during the 1980's?

 

[Fenton]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

It has nothing to do with Obama. We
just emerged from a financial crisis that nearly crippled the global banking system. These things just take time. Once housing prices begin to reach levels that pull millions of homeowners above water, the economy will improve greatly. Until then, various forms of monetary and fiscal stimulus are all we can hope for. Luckily, this trend seems to have us on track by early 2015.

To a degree. Smart companies will use this time to train new workers at a premium. Eventually, productivity gains will require a larger labor component.



Partisan nonsense at best.

Jesus H Kush. You too ? 5 years in and your'e still blaming Bush ?

And your'e accusing Conservative of partisanship ?

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Funny, it took a challenge from a Conservative to get you to add in your qualifiers.

The data was already provided. Conman is just not familiar with these concepts.

TRILLIONS in new money sitting stagnant and inflation under Obama, REAL inflation is only 11%.

You have no understanding of economics at all.

 

[Fenton]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Question: do we use more or less energy on a per-capita basis than we did during the 1980's?

Ah, another qualifier.

Less but our population has increased, has it not ?

 

[Kushinator]

Re: Being concerned about 17 trillion in debt makes one an ' extremist'?[W:133:739:9

Jesus H Kush. You too ? 5 years in and your'e still blaming Bush ?

I don't blame Bush for anything other than failing instruct the SEC to properly regulate securitization. If you don't want to address my statements, then there is no reason to quote them.