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Behind the coming physician shortage in Amerika

zimmer

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The doctor is not in.

The United States already faces a growing physician shortage. As our population ages, we require more and more intensive health care. At the same time, enrollment in medical schools has been essentially flat, meaning we are not producing new physicians at anywhere near the rate we need to. In fact, according to the American Association of Medical Colleges, we face a shortfall of more than 150,000 doctors over the next 15 years.

And it could get a whole lot worse.

The health reform bill signed into law last year is expected to significantly increase the number of Americans with health insurance or participating in the Medicaid program. Meanwhile, an aging population will increase participation in Medicare. This means a greater demand for physician services.

But at the same, the bill may drive physicians out of practice.

Existing government programs already reimburse physicians at rates that are often less than the actual cost of treating a patient...

As a result, more and more physicians are choosing to opt-out of the system altogether... The story is even worse in Medicaid, where as many as a third of doctors will not participate in the program.

Traditionally, most doctors have been willing to take some Medicare patients either out of altruism or as a “loss leader,” to reach other family members outside the Medicare program...
...Roughly 40% of doctors are age 55 or over. Are they really going to want to stick it out for a few more years if all they have to look forward to is more red tape (both government and insurance company) for less money?...

And, at the same time, fewer young people are likely to decide that medicine is a good career. Remember, the average medical school graduate begins their career with more than $295,000 in debt.

A 2010 IBD/TPP Poll found that 45% of doctors would at least consider leaving their practices or taking early retirement as a result of the new health care law.

Read more: Doc holiday - NYPOST.com
OK Libs, you've been fed the reality of what is happening in foreign countries with their decaying socialist systems. You don't even have to know about those systems if you understand human nature, human motivation. But no, the Utopian Collectivists march on like the brain dead drones they are.

In MA with their socialist program... you've got a 55-day wait to see a Doc.
In fact, we have already seen the start of this process in Massachusetts, where Mitt Romney’s health care reforms were nearly identical to President Obama’s. Romney’s reforms increased the demand for health care but did nothing to expand the supply of physicians. In fact, by cracking down on insurance premiums, Massachusetts pushed insurers to reduce their payments to providers, making it less worthwhile for doctors to expand their practices. As a result, the average wait to get an appointment with a doctor grew from 33 days to over 55 days.

Promising universal health coverage is easy. But what does universal coverage mean if you can’t actually see a doctor?
Shock: Over 55 day wait’ to see doctor in Massachusetts « InvestmentWatch

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I don't imagine many, now, want to become government employees on their path to becoming an evil of society.
 
Amerika is actually spelt americ...

Oh... oh that's really, really clever....

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I don't imagine many, now, want to become government employees on their path to becoming an evil of society.

The failure of socialist medicine aside, I find it both incredible and putrid a segment of society believes they have the "Right" to other people's labor.

It makes you want to go knock on the door of Libs and ask... you believe in ObamaKare? When they spit out "yes", then walk through their front door without asking, pushing them aside, going to the fridge, grabbing a six-pack, sitting in front of the tube and saying... "is the tank full, I need your car for a trip across the state in 25-minutes".

It is a perverted mindset, fomented by perverted minds.

And yes... Romney was an idiot.

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A 55 day wait to see a doctor.........

..........sounds like government run health care to me..........
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Government run health care here.

I can see a doctor today

LOL!

Not in Taxachusetts........or anywhere else where there is government run health care.......

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Not in Taxachusetts........or anywhere else where there is government run health care.......

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I'm "anywhere else"

I have government HEalth Care

and I can see a doctor today

LOL!

Oh well.
 
I'm "anywhere else"

I have government HEalth Care

and I can see a doctor today

LOL!

Oh well.

And when 300 million other Americans also have Government Run Health Care........

.........maybe the 2 month wait wont seem so long for you.......
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Not in Taxachusetts........or anywhere else where there is government run health care.......

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prove it? or is this just something you heard down at the fishin' hole?

we already have doctor shortages in many areas. It will have taken me about 9 months to get my hearing aids thru the VA, but they will be free. Thank you, taxpayers. It is taking me almost 2 months to get some basal cell carcinoma off my face, because they will be using the MOHS procedure. I got in to see a new neurologist in less than a week, for my Parkinson's. It took me about a month to see my new primary care doctor, a busy man, but I had no new issues, just changing doctors as I switch from Tricare and military doctors to Medicare and civilian doctors.

But, if it is something serious, I can see my regular doctor today. That is because I HAVE a regular doctor, I am not some stranger calling him and expecting him to see me today. People who don't have a regular doctor might just be the slackers who want free medical care on their own terms. Not gonna happen. Buy some insurance, and get a regular doctor. It is that simple.
 
And when 300 million other Americans also have Government Run Health Care........

.........maybe the 2 month wait wont seem so long for you.......
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Do you have health care insurance? and a regular doctor?
 
In addition to self interest, who wants to pay the cost of malpractice insurance. Even with the motive to make money as a doctor, who wants to be watching over ones shoulder for the next lawsuit.
 
Government run health care here.

I can see a doctor today

LOL!

Not in Kanuckistan you can't, and the Quebec Supreme Court ruled a waiting list does not constitute health care.

And as we all know, Kanuckistan Kare constitutes one long waiting list. We know in the finest, most experienced and LOL... efficient socialist system they speak openly about rationing and that some people will have to be denied... what Palin correctly called Death Panels.

Of course, Leftists look like a pretzel created by someone on LSD in their attempts to wriggle their way out of rationing not equaling death panels.

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By the conservative definition, virtually every other industrialized nation has "socialized" health care, but the majority of them actually have shorter waiting times than we do.

How come they never mention that?
 
zimmer, the number of doctors that are licensed every year is a controlled number. There are many reasons for it. One is that training doctors requires some quality standard, and so few make it. The other is that the number of doctors accepted every year is intentionally limited in order to increase competition, and maintain the profit margins of doctors. It's basic supply and demand theory. More doctors = less pay per doctor. It doesn't matter if the system is private or public because the need for health care is relatively inelastic, so the payouts are related to how many doctors there are total. If public, then the system will give doctors less in fees per visit; if private, then the clients will go to where the best price is, and doctors will have to lower fees to remain competitive.

A woman training in the U.S. to be a doctor once told me that 24,000 doctors are licensed annually, 7,000 of which are immigrant doctors. America has 310 million people, give or take. Do the math. That's 1 new doctor for every 12,916 Americans per year.

We could allow more people to be doctors without sacrificing quality standards and still let them have the pay they deserve. This is about what the colleges of physicians and the AMA are doing in their policies. The notion of doctor shortages is a myth - there are people all around who want to get licensed but the intake is intentionally limited.
 
There is most likely a shortage because Med school is so expensive and there aren't many of them. Plus, it's very hard to get into med school and the vast majority of applicants are turned down. We are also going to have a pharmacist shortage for similar reasons. I think we need to change how healthcare is administered in America to make it more effective. This doesn't have anything to do with liberalism or conservatism.
 
OK Libs, you've been fed the reality of what is happening in foreign countries with their decaying socialist systems. You don't even have to know about those systems if you understand human nature, human motivation. But no, the Utopian Collectivists march on like the brain dead drones they are.
In MA with their socialist program... you've got a 55-day wait to see a Doc.
Maybe between now and then things will change. If we start talking to 5th and 6th graders now, perhaps in 15 years we won't be shorthanded.

For most other businesses, hearing that the number of customers will be increasing is a good thing. Usually when demand increases, the effects of that increase affect the other connected aspects of the market.
 
This doesn't have anything to do with liberalism or conservatism.
HERESY!!!

Everything, and I mean everything comes down to us v them. There is no aspect of the country, the world, nor even life itself that can't be explained in terms of us v them. It's all about our teams.
 
There is most likely a shortage because Med school is so expensive and there aren't many of them. Plus, it's very hard to get into med school and the vast majority of applicants are turned down. We are also going to have a pharmacist shortage for similar reasons. I think we need to change how healthcare is administered in America to make it more effective. This doesn't have anything to do with liberalism or conservatism.

It has more to do with political jockeying of privileges for different industries.

The medical industry, particularly doctors, has a direct connection to Congress.
Who do you think funds residency programs in hospitals?
Who gives the AMA the power to restrict the amount of medical schools?
 
By the conservative definition, virtually every other industrialized nation has "socialized" health care, but the majority of them actually have shorter waiting times than we do.

How come they never mention that?

doesn't fit their preconceived notions, aka prejudices....
 
Yeah, I have quite a few friends in both Canada and England, thanks to the nature of my work. None of them have ever done much complaining about their health care systems. None of them have ever told me any stories about how they or someone they know was unable to get care they needed. By contrast, I hear such stories from my American friends approximately once a week. All of this is hearsay, of course, but combined with the fact that America is so far down the list on so many measures of health care when compared to other nations that have socialized health care, I have to say that it looks like the spectre of longer waiting periods, death panels, etc. is just FALSE.
 
you've got a 55-day wait to see a Doc.

Just trying to think out of the parallagram, but maybe if we reduced doctors pay per unit of labor, maybe they would work a little harder or longer or more efficiently.

The "copay" has largely eliminated price competition in health care. Doctors can charge rediculous rates knowing that the patient doesn't care what they charge. With rediculous rates, doctors can make plenty money without having to see a lot of patients. Ending the concept of the copay, would force docs to compete on price, force them to find ways to become more productive, and reduce the number of people going to the doc because they have a runny nose.

Or, if we stopped subsidising day to day health care with insurance, people who really don't need to see a doct wouldn't be wasting our doctors time, thus freeing them up to see people who REALLY need medical treatment. When we have things like $15 co-pays, going to the doc for some psycologyical need (like a relative of mine who goes to the doc not because she is ill, but simply because she wants someone who will listen to her and be sympathic) can be much cheaper than going to a bar or other social activities.

Just a couple of my many whacked out ideas.
 
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