Stinger said:
Actually the local and state dropped the ball, the federal government had to beg them to act.
With in turn not acting itself. Honestly, it dropped the ball on this one, and I don't see how you can't see that, especially with the head of FEMA's comments.
I haven't seen anything that says these particular levees were thought to be a problem, however it is primarily a state problem and the whole levee issue has been up for discussion for quite a while as to whether they should be maintained due to the evironmental impact. There was a plan in progess and on schedule.
Well, I listen to NPR and I heard at least 5 people say that New Orleans would be partially to fully flooded with I believe 4 saying at least one levve would break. That is an hour of listening to news before the event and I heard it several times. The levees are maintained not by states...by who? The Federal government. And the Federal government had to cut their budget thanks to Bush's tax breaks and thus did not have enough to fund a project that would have determined (honestly too late, but still) if they could strengthen the levees to withstand level 4 and 5 hurricanes. Now that says something there because they basically acknowledge right there that they can't withstand that type of force.
They already had one in place, the local and state officials ignored it and did not act.
So did the feds. A plan is nice and all, but when the **** is flying, so do the papers of the plan...just how it works.
Actually lots happen in three days, however the govenor failed to lead and failed to act. She has yet to sign the papers giving control to the federal government. She never declared the marial law she should have, she practically ignore Nagin.
Yes she did, and she is at fault, but the Feds should have done a whole laundry list of items as well.
They did and they ignored it. Bush had to call them on Saturday and BEG them to issue the mandatory evacuation. Nagin failed to follow the plan that called for the city and parish buses be used to evacuate those who had no means to leave and he allowed them all to get flooded and are now useless. Blanco was worthless.
I was listening and they said basically, if you are still in the city, we will not be able to help you, this is your only chance. Plus, I do not believe that they could have organized that large of a mandatory evacuation in time. Sure, they would have gotten more out as a result, but still, not feasible.
Not true, person after person being interviewed state they CHOOSE not to leave. There are flooded out cars all through those areas that belong to people who stayed and did not use them. Even now they can't get about 10,000 to leave. Nagin did not enforce the mandatory evacuation then plan called for and did not provide the buses that were part of the plan.
I already spoke on the mandatory evacuation and how it would not have worked for a city the size of Orleans and how clogged the roads were and how short supplies were, etc, but I will go into the other part. Just because they CHOOSE to stay there, we choose to **** them in return? No, they are human beings. Sorry to say this, but it will get under your skin as one of the sayings in your post did (Choose)...but help is on the way, or at least it is now that they are trying to save the hide of the president.
I don't know that, it depends on who you give it to. What worries me is government handing it out to a group of people we already know had a very large contegient who have no respect for the law and will probably defraud us all.
That is just what the professor said, and honestly, I don't know. And if you are worried about fraud at a time like this above helping people...well, I don't really know what to say.
They had hospitals in New Orleans and set up the airport as an emergency center. They needed that unit in Baton Rouge where they were bringing all the evacuees, how were they suppose to treat the people where they were taking them if they sent the medical units where they were sending them away from?
Ok?
Because the local and state government refuse to issue the order till it was too late. Then Nagin told everyone to go to the Superdome without providing any security or provisions or medical units. The governor failed to mobilize the National Guard and declare maritial law. Bush had already declare the area a national disaster area opening the doors for the request of the local and state officials, THEY failed to act THEY failed to lead.
So many people failed in this mess it is ridiculous. Now, the president himself didn't personally fail except for the fact he didn't leave vacation (major pr mistake) and campaigned (MAJOR pr mistake). But his government that he leads did. You know what, come to think of it, he made light of the situation in a press conference that I just saw....so, that is three mistakes. Basically, my point is that everyone failed on almost every level except the red cross, which from all reports, has been amazing.
Everything you responded to were not my thoughts, just to let you know, just letting you know what people who discuss this thought. Good to start something here.
