Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to His Knuckles [W:1169, 1244]

[AdamT]

As idiotic as claiming that zimmerman had the ability to "foresee" that martin would punch him in the face, knock him to the ground and beat him in response to being asked a question?

I don't think anyone has suggested that was the case (strawman argument), nor is it clear that that's what happened. But I would say it's certainly MORE foreseeable that someone might take a swing at you if you follow them in your car and then on foot and, with no apparent authority, start questioning them about what they're up to.

 

[Masada]

Facts are peculiar little things aren't they? The more we learn about the facts of this case, the more it indicates that Zimmerman's story is true. I agree with those here that say that anything prior to the night Martin was shot is irrelevant. However, the prior information may not effect the evidence of this case, but what it does do is expose the agenda of the left, and the leftist media. They both were so quick to judge Zimmerman, and so quick to defend Martin as a saint. They posted old photos of Martin, to make it appear he was just a "young, innocent" child. Not that it makes a difference if Martin was a straight up thug, because it doesn't matter in the case. What does matter is how the media, and the left, took this story, exploited it, and ginned up all kinds of anger and animosity in America. Their portrayal of Martin had a lot to do with that. To deny that would be to deny reality.

I've said from day one, that there is a crime here, but this isn't "murder". We've already seen the Special Prosecutor cave to public outcrying. It would be another tragedy to convict this guy of Murder 2 because of public pressure. Anyone who still claims this is "murder", is flat out biased. No ill will, no malicious intent, no proof of a hate crime. What we have is a tragic chain of events that got out of control. Even if Zimmerman is to blame for that, it doesn't constitute "murder". Manslaughter at best.

Anyone still claiming this is "Murder 2", has lost their mind.

 

[Thunder]

...Most jurors are going to side with the man who made decisions trying to keep his neighborhood safe.

wrong. Most jurors will side with the young man who was committing no crime, and was simply walking home with ice-tea & Skittles.

Americans side with the innocent victim, minding his own business.

 

[Thunder]

Facts are peculiar little things aren't they? The more we learn about the facts of this case, the more it indicates that Zimmerman's story is true. I agree with those here that say that anything prior to the night Martin was shot is irrelevant. However, the prior information may not effect the evidence of this case, but what it does do is expose the agenda of the left, and the leftist media. They both were so quick to judge Zimmerman, and so quick to defend Martin as a saint. They posted old photos of Martin, to make it appear he was just a "young, innocent" child. Not that it makes a difference if Martin was a straight up thug, because it doesn't matter in the case....

then why bring it up & reinforce it, again & again?

its adorable how the Zimmerman-supporters rant & rave about the supposed left-wing media bias against Zimmerman, all the while their hatred & bias against Martin is clear as day.

calling him a thug, a drug-dealer, a gang-banger, someone who chose a life of crime, etc etc.

they are the ultimate hypocrites and they can't even see it.

 

[Excon]

Re: Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to His Knuckles

Why is that?

Because a cop in plain clothes doesn't identify himself unless he has reason to.
There is nothing to suggest in this situation that an immediate identification was necessary.

 

[ric27]

wrong. Most jurors will side with the young man who was committing no crime, and was simply walking home with ice-tea & Skittles.

Americans side with the innocent victim, minding his own business.

Again, you forgot, the assault by Martin.

What is it with you? A comprehension issue?

 

[Thunder]

Again, you forgot, the assault by Martin...

unproven allegation, which you claim is a fact.

again..and again..and again.

 

[Excon]

wrong. Most jurors will side with the young man who was committing no crime, and was simply walking home with ice-tea & Skittles.

Americans side with the innocent victim, minding his own business.

Wrong because that young man put another in fear of GBH or his life by committing a crime against him. That in no way makes him an innocent victim.
And most Americans can understand a man who made decisions Zimmerman made in trying to keep his neighborhood safe.

 

[Grim17]

Re: Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to His Knuckles

Bs.
You are really being ridiculous.
It isn't because he said so.
It is because what we know of his account is corroborated and supported by the other evidence.
Not to mention that he was cooperative from the get and didn't have the time to come up with a false account that would be consistent with witnesses that were unknown to him.

The underlined portion speaks volumes to the truthfulness of his account.

I used to date a police officer and one of the things she told me, was that when a suspect is not telling the truth, it becomes clear pretty quick. When they lie, she said, there are always inconsistencies, especially when questioned at the scene of the crime where they've had no time to fabricate any kind of believable lie. She told me they either contradict themselves during repeated questioning, or their story just doesn't fit correctly with the physical evidence and eye witness accounts.

What George Zimmerman told police was obviously consistent, and fit with the evidence and eye witness accounts, otherwise they wouldn't have released him just hours after the shooting.

 

[Excon]

Re: Autopsy Results Show Trayvon Martin Had Injuries to His Knuckles

I used to date a police officer and one of the things she told me, was that when a suspect is not telling the truth, it becomes clear pretty quick. When they lie, she said, there are always inconsistencies, especially when questioned at the scene of the crime where they've had no time to fabricate any kind of believable lie. She told me they either contradict themselves during repeated questioning, or their story just doesn't fit correctly with the physical evidence and eye witness accounts.

What George Zimmerman told police was obviously consistent, and fit with the evidence and eye witness accounts, otherwise they wouldn't have released him just hours after the shooting.

Your friend is correct.
I simply do not know why those we are arguing with do not understand that?
My only guess is that it is done on-purpose.

 

[ric27]

unproven allegation, which you claim is a fact.

again..and again..and again.

Did you read, the medical report? Its evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin

 

[Phoenix]

unproven allegation, which you claim is a fact.

again..and again..and again.

"Trayvon Martin was simply walking home with a can of tea and a bag of skittles" is an unproven allegation. Along with everything else we know.

 

[Masada]

then why bring it up & reinforce it, again & again?

its adorable how the Zimmerman-supporters rant & rave about the supposed left-wing media bias against Zimmerman, all the while their hatred & bias against Martin is clear as day.

calling him a thug, a drug-dealer, a gang-banger, someone who chose a life of crime, etc etc.

they are the ultimate hypocrites and they can't even see it.

Hey man, try reading my post more carefully. I said, "even IF" he were a thug......That it wouldn't matter.

Look at you, you're responding to comments so quickly, it's obvious you aren't reading any of them carefully. I don't side with EITHER of the two men. I side with justice, and facts. I'm sorry to inform you, I don't "support" Zimmerman, and I certainly dont "hate" Martin. I look at the facts without bias. You on the other hand, seem to be on some kind of crusade against injustice for blacks, or injustice for Martin. What is justified about convicting a man of Murder 2 when the evidence suggests it isn't Murder 2?

You need to calm down, take a step back from your hot keyboard, and analyze what it is you're accusing others of. And try reading the posts more carefully. I don't know if Martin was a thug or not. Doesn't matter.

Right now, the most crucial piece of EVIDENCE that we have suggests that Martin attacked Zimmerman, and Zimmerman's story is accurate. That may very well change. Zimmerman may have started the fight, but the evidence we have now doesn't suggest that. Witnesses place Martin on top of Zimmerman, "beating him MMA style". The medical records illustrate the accuracy of that witness' statement. Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with the story that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him, and slamming his head into the ground.

Now stop, pay attention here. Here's where you need to ask yourself whether or not YOU would fear for your life, or fear for great bodily injury, if a stranger was on top of you, beating you "MMA style", and bashing your head into the ground. Would a reasonable person fear that they are in danger of great bodily harm? The answer is yes of course. Now surely you understand this right?

While it may not be what you want to happen, Zimmerman is more than likely going to avoid the Murder 2 charge. But based on EVIDENCE, not public opinion. The evidence supports his story over any other story out there. His wounds are consistent with his story. The eye witnesses accounts are consistent with his story. The police report is consistent with his story. How much more proof do you need?

 

[Thunder]

"Trayvon Martin was simply walking home with a can of tea and a bag of skittles" is an unproven allegation. Along with everything else we know.

you are right. Trayvon may have also been trying to make contact with the mother ship.

but we don't know this for sure.

 

[Thunder]

...The police report is consistent with his story. How much more proof do you need?

And the police who wrote this report, wanted to charge him with Manslaughter and felt the whole tragedy could have been avoided if Zimmerman just stayed in his car.

 

[Thunder]

Did you read, the medical report? Its evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin

no, its not. The medical report is evidence that Martin got the upper-hand, not that he started the fight.

your clear bias is clouding your vision, as you are seeing things that ain't there.

 

[OscarB63]

Investigator Christopher Serino, report of investigation, page 3 of 13, paragraph 3:

I was also informed that statements made by Zimmerman on scene to Officer T. Smith (first officer to arrive) were corroborated by SEVERAL witnesses, and led to the possibility of this shooting having been in self-defense

And people wonder why there was no immediate arrest and why the original DA did not want to prosecute this case.

 

[Masada]

you are right. Trayvon may have also been trying to make contact with the mother ship.

but we don't know this for sure.

What do we know for sure?

It was late. It was drizzling. According to Zimmerman, he was acting peculiar. How do we know that? Zimmerman said multiple times that it appeared to him that there was something wrong with Martin, like maybe he "was on drugs or something". Zimmerman wouldn't have just made that up, listen to the call. He repeats it a couple of times, "yeah, there's definately something wrong with this guy."

He sat and watched him from the car. Martin was staring back at Zimmerman. Martin came closer to the car, and Zimmerman said, "he's coming over this way. Yeah, he wants to get a closer look at me." Then Martin ran. Zimmerman exited the car, and chased after. From the call, we know he lost Martin, and ceased his pursuit (you can hear that he isn't chasing him while he's talking with the dispatcher). Zimmerman awaits the en-route officer.

Sometime between Zimmerman ending the 911 call, to the police arriving, Martin and Zimmerman get into a fight. Martin is beating Zimmerman. Zimmerman shoots Martin.

That's what we DO know. Mix in the medical records, photos, and other evidence, and it suggests Zimmerman is telling the truth.

Stop with all this hypothetical bull crap, and talk about the facts.

 

[ric27]

no, its not. The medical report is evidence that Martin got the upper-hand, not that he started the fight.

Ok, lets break this up....bit by bit...in small bites :roll:

Where are the bruises/broken skin to Zim’s hands?

 

[Masada]

And the police who wrote this report, wanted to charge him with Manslaughter and felt the whole tragedy could have been avoided if Zimmerman just stayed in his car.

Well of course it could of been avoided. That doesn't make Zimmerman guilty of "murder". You do understand what constitutes "murder 2" right? If so, tell me what you think Zimmerman did that would make him guilty of "murdering" Martin.

If the cops wanted to charge with manslaughter, and you think this is manslaughter, tell me why Corey charged him with Murder 2?????

 

[Boo Radley]

Investigator Christopher Serino, report of investigation, page 3 of 13, paragraph 3:



And people wonder why there was no immediate arrest and why the original DA did not want to prosecute this case.

'
There are those questions, but didn't the police want to arrest?

 

[Thunder]

What do we know for sure?

It was late. It was drizzling. According to Zimmerman, he was acting peculiar. How do we know that? Zimmerman said multiple times that it appeared to him that there was something wrong with Martin, like maybe he "was on drugs or something". Zimmerman wouldn't have just made that up, listen to the call. He repeats it a couple of times, "yeah, there's definately something wrong with this guy."...

yeah, according to Zimmerman, Martin was acting strange. And we are supposed to accept this as a fact.............WHY???????????

then, Zimmerman suggests that Martin was on drugs. We are supposed to accept this as fact.....WHY??????

...Stop with all this hypothetical bull crap, and talk about the facts.

maybe you should stop making bull**** claims about "what do we know for sure", and then following it with unproven allegations.

that's unless you want to make illogical & inconsistent statements.

 

[Thunder]

Well of course it could of been avoided. That doesn't make Zimmerman guilty of "murder". You do understand what constitutes "murder 2" right? If so, tell me what you think Zimmerman did that would make him guilty of "murdering" Martin.

If the cops wanted to charge with manslaughter, and you think this is manslaughter, tell me why Corey charged him with Murder 2?????

i didn't want him charged with Murder.

 

[ric27]

i didn't want him charged with Murder.

Where are the bruises/broken skin to Zim’s hands?

 

[Masada]

yeah, according to Zimmerman, Martin was acting strange. And we are supposed to accept this as a fact.............WHY???????????

then, Zimmerman suggests that Martin was on drugs. We are supposed to accept this as fact.....WHY??????





maybe you should stop making bull**** claims about "what do we know for sure", and then following it with unproven allegations.

that's unless you want to make illogical & inconsistent statements.

Hey man, do you understand the english language? I said "Zimmerman claimed". I didn't state it as a fact. The fact is that ZIMMERMAN SAID HE APPEARED TO BE ON DRUGS. That's a statement of fact concerning Zimmerman's assessment of Martin. I never said it was true. I said that was Zimmerman's assessment!

And that my friend is important! If Zimmerman thought there was something wrong with Martin, then perhaps THAT'S why he was suspicious of Martin, AND NOT BECAUSE HE'S BLACK!

It's called reasoning. Do you have this skill? Because if you do, it's high time you deploy it. I am not claiming that Martin "was in fact" on drugs. I'm stating that Zimmerman's assessment of Martin wasn't an assessment that all is good. So, why should we accept that? Because Zimmerman's suspicion is going to be, and should be questioned. Why did Zimmerman find him suspicious? Because he was black? Or because he thought "he was on drugs or something"?

Don't you get it. These are questions leading up to motive man. But you are too dumb, or too stubborn to realize what I'm getting at. To you, this is all some kind of race war, and left vs. right war. A war you've gotta win.

I find it interesting you think he should of been charged with manslaughter, but you wont say a word about Angela Corey's affidavit, and how she withheld material evidence to get a Murder 2 charge. It exposes your ideological biases. Stop fighting the race war, and analyze the facts.