Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:169]

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

MOAR race-baiting. Does it ever end?

It couldn't POSSIBLY be that they have evidence to arrest him?

Get a grip. That is not race baiting. Its the truth. Seiing this liberal drivel posted everywhere claiming "race baiting" is like being on a long car drive where one passenger has dysentary. ric27 knows exactly what is playing out ....... and you got the runs.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

W/o the evidence available to the SA, how can you reach this conclusion?

With...

Feeeeeeelings.... Nothing more than... FEEEElings.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Nope. Case too big. If you were innocent, you would not cop a plea no matter what. In the meantime, Zimmerman can expect some outside help with fees, and as he should anticipate acquittal, millions for a book deal and TV appearances afterwards.

Now, if he is guilty as sin, and they got the goods, then a plea deal. But enough evidence has been leaked to indicate he has a good case.

Zimmerman has stayed rather closeted. Allll that "evidence" that his side has fronted thus far for the most part about his innocence has been heresay form his brother and father. When George goes in front of a judge under oath, the truth may be, and probably is, much different that what has been spilled thus far to the media.

 

[Caine]

Re: Zimmerman charged

In my opinion, this thread makes it quite clear what needs to happen. One person Shot, and killed another.

Facts are sketchy, as far as the details....thus, we need to find out what happened.

Thats the purpose of an investigation.... not a trial.

When you go to trial to prosecute someone, you need to KNOW what happened. If a prosecutor isn't convinced beyond a reasonable doubt about the guilt or innocence of a defendant... they shouldn't bring the case forward.

We take it to trial...once charges are pressed against the admitted shooter, detailed investigation, testimony, and facts will inevitably come to light.


It may be Trayvon created the confrontation, perhaps Zimmerman is at fault...we should probably find out....don't you think?

You don't charge someone and THEN investigate... That is stupid.

 

[barbarian_style]

Re: Zimmerman charged

I disagree. Afaict, the evidence that is out is ambiguous and vague at best.

They just charged him 2nd degree murder they apparently have more than you or I know of. The evidence that we do not know of being what they withheld leads us to we can not come up with hyperbole saying there is no good evidence.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Zimmerman charged

I disagree. Afaict, the evidence that is out is ambiguous and vague at best.

Whatever. He has an eyewitness and physical evidence in his favor. The prosectution will have to overcome that. Maybe they can, but the point is that he already has a basis for the affirmative defense. Unlike Casey Anthony where she had no evidence to support that she did not kill her kid. But even then, the prosecution could not convict.

Find me when the case is over. One of us will be able to say "told you so"

 

[poweRob]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

Get a grip. That is not race baiting. Its the truth. Seiing this liberal drivel posted everywhere claiming "race baiting" is like being on a long car drive where one passenger has dysentary. ric27 knows exactly what is playing out ....... and you got the runs.

He supposed a hypothesis and stated it as fact that George is being arrested politically to appease the black community. If you buy that **** you have your own race issues too because neither you nor ric has seen the cards that the prosecutor holds while making such a bold and baseless judgement.

 

[tecoyah]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

It seems that throwing Zimmerman under the bus to avoid further unrest within a particular demographic is the expediant answer instead of an objective trial in another jurisdiction.

If a threat was evident...yo may have a point. However, no violence has occurred, and instead we see press conferences asking for a trial.

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Zimmerman has stayed rather closeted. Allll that "evidence" that his side has fronted thus far for the most part about his innocence has been heresay form his brother and father. When George goes in front of a judge under oath, the truth may be, and probably is, much different that what has been spilled thus far to the media.

Bull****. The police reports document physical evidence in his favor. Read them. An eye-witness, supported by a 911 call, gave an interview to the Press.

 

[ARealConservative]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Whoa, Rob!! You are about to make his head explode. LOL.

you put a person on ignore, then post comments about him?

haha. what a douche

 

[poweRob]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Bull****. The police reports document physical evidence in his favor. Read them. An eye-witness, supported by a 911 call, gave an interview to the Press.

Is that all that the prosecution has to go on? Or do you suppose that they just might know a little more about the case and evidence than you do?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

He supposed a hypothesis and stated it as fact that George is being arrested politically to appease the black community. If you buy that **** you have your own race issues too because neither you nor ric has seen the cards that the prosecutor holds while making such a bold and baseless judgement.

Put this race crap where the sun don't shine. Any intelligent adult in this society knows that this case has a huge race-political component. Like it or not, that's fact. It is a factor here. To pretend it is not is to be naive and just plain ignorant.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Zimmerman charged

you put a person on ignore, then post comments about him?

haha. what a douche

Easy now...

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Is that all that the prosecution has to go on? Or do you suppose that they just might know a little more about the case and evidence than you do?

Sure they no more. But that does not change the fact that we KNOW of evidence that supports Zimmerman's affirmative defense claim.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

Put this race crap where the sun don't shine. Any intelligent adult in this society knows that this case has a huge race-political component. Like it or not, that's fact. It is a factor here. To pretend it is not is to be naive and just plain ignorant.

Never said there wasn't a race or political contingent. I'm just not so stupid as to suppose that I know the motivations of the prosecutor by a pulling race-baiting hypothesis out of my ass because its all going against my days and days of die-hard narrative that I've been pushing. lol

 

[Kreton]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

If a threat was evident...yo may have a point. However, no violence has occurred, and instead we see press conferences asking for a trial.

violence has occured.

 

[poweRob]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Sure they no more. But that does not change the fact that we KNOW of evidence that supports Zimmerman's affirmative defense claim.

So now you are saying that perhaps the prosecution could be acting on a legal premise and not politically or are you going to go back to agreeing with ric27 that it is all political to appease the black community?

 

[Rosie1]

Re: Zimmerman charged

I just hope the truth leads to justice. I heard the Special Prosecutor speak. I thought she spent an awful lot of time thanking and naming specific judicial staff, investigators, etc., and the governor of Florida. Seemed almost to the point of being a bit much, to me.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Whatever. He has an eyewitness and physical evidence in his favor.

They're in "his favor" in that they don't discredit his story.
I don't know if that would be enough to make me comfy if I was Z.

Key elements and events were not witnessed [that we know of] by anyone else and are not the kinds of things that leave conclusive evidence--like who threw the first punch.

The prosectution will have to overcome that.

They don't have to "overcome" so much as "subsume" the facts available into a more plausible narrative.
And again, what been released is missing certain key ingredients to make it actually in Z's favor--as I would use the phrase anyway.

Find me when the case is over. One of us will be able to say "told you so"

Say that about what exactly?

 

[Eighty Deuce]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

Never said there wasn't a race or political contingent. I'm just not so stupid as to suppose that I know the motivations of the prosecutor by a pulling race-baiting hypothesis out of my ass because its all going against my days and days of die-hard narrative that I've been pushing. lol

There was no option for the Prosecutor to not charge. Too much race-crap on this case already. That's the world we live in.

Try this on. Please think before replying. The Law allows for such affirmative defenses where someone is killed in self-defense. Where there is no indictment, or arrest. It does happen.

Yet such as AL Sharpton led mobs of folks demanding an arrest. Surely you agree that being arrested is not always right and proper. Depends on the case. Yet it was demanded. Are you aware that Eric Holder appeared with Al Sharpton at a rally yesterday ?

So, like it or not, this one had to go to court. No proper or legal or Constitutional alternative short of that was possible because of the political climate.

 

[Kreton]

Re: Zimmerman charged

I just hope the truth leads to justice. I heard the Special Prosecutor speak. I thought she spent an awful lot of time thanking and naming specific judicial staff, investigators, etc., and the governor of Florida. Seemed almost to the point of being a bit much, to me.

She thanked alot of people and especially the Sanford PD who have been crucified during the last few weeks. I think she wanted to try to alleviate peoples distrust of the police. All in all I am anxious to hear more about the evidence they have and I was really hoping she'd let some facts go but she did the right thing by not. We probably already know more than we should.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Re: Zimmerman charged

Sure they no more. But that does not change the fact that we KNOW of evidence that supports Zimmerman's affirmative defense claim.

Z's claim rests on M throwing the first punch.
All evidence other than evidence that shows who threw the first punch is merely not contradicting Z's story rather than supporting it, imho. Imho, evidence supporting Z would be if someone saw Martin start the violence.

But I am funny in how I use words. I have noticed that a lot of people use them differently than I do.

 

[Wake]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

violence has occured.

What happened?

 

[poweRob]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

There was no option for the Prosecutor to not charge. Too much race-crap on this case already. That's the world we live in.

Try this on. Please think before replying. The Law allows for such affirmative defenses where someone is killed in self-defense. Where there is no indictment, or arrest. It does happen.

Yet such as AL Sharpton led mobs of folks demanding an arrest. Surely you agree that being arrested is not always right and proper. Depends on the case. Yet it was demanded. Are you aware that Eric Holder appeared with Al Sharpton at a rally yesterday ?

So, like it or not, this one had to go to court. No proper or legal or Constitutional alternative short of that was possible because of the political climate.

So you are going with the special prosecution is NOT acting legally but is acting politically. Interesting.

 

[barbarian_style]

Re: Attorneys for George Zimmerman,..say they can't find him, fear for his safety [W:

Not to mention during a jury selection process, during opening statements, and during closing statements, a prosecutor (during jury selection only) and defense attorney will repeatedly remind the jury that the onus is on the state to prove the crime beyond a reasonable doubt and will define that numerous times. Also, the judge gives instructions to the jury prior to their deliberation that explains to them the meaning of the standard.

These are little known factoids that people with no experience in the courtroom know about.

Those of you who have served on juries know wtf I am talking about

When special prosecutor Corey came out and made the announcement of charges she stated this specifically.